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csisfun -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/13/2003 6:01:42 PM)

OK! Seems that my reciever cacked out on my first solo, and my plane landed into the salty water. Oops! $$$! OK, my heart broke to pieces, but fortunately, 4 servos (out of 4) and a 40fx could be recovered. pretty lucky the engine was still with me. OK so i've blewn my plane, a 40 sized Trainer (Phoenix Classic). Now, my instructor advises me to get a low wing trainer, like the Phoenix Scanner. I'm really leaning away from any Phoenix, because their instruction manuals are crap. Any suggestions on wich plane i should get next?




DTB -> Re: Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/13/2003 7:08:51 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by csisfun
OK! Seems that my receiver cacked out on my first solo, and my plane landed into the salty water. Oops! $$$! OK, my heart broke to pieces, but fortunately, 4 servos (out of 4) and a 40fx could be recovered. pretty lucky the engine was still with me. OK so i've blewn my plane, a 40 sized Trainer (Phoenix Classic). Now, my instructor advises me to get a low wing trainer, like the Phoenix Scanner. I'm really leaning away from any Phoenix, because their instruction manuals are crap. Any suggestions on wich plane i should get next? [/QUOTE]

Sig's Four Star 60 (4*60) makes a great second or 3rd plane. It is a low wing, semi-symmetrical airfoil and is a tail dragger. This plane is good just to have in your collection for anyone. Since you already have a .40 size motor, then the 4*40 would be the size that you would need. The 60 size is a little larger and a little more stable due to the fact that it is a larger aircraft, but the 40 size will work fine and it would be a good transition for you to go to a tail dragger setup. Only down fall for some is that this plane has to be built. It is a kit, not an ARF, but if that is not a problem, then this is the plane for you IMO.

[img]http://www.greathobbies.com/gallery/gal_008.jpg[/img]


Specs:
http://www.hobbybarn.com/SIG-pages/sigrc44.html

Can be purchased at:
LHS or http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFG06&P=7

Here is a site that may interest you on the 4*40:
http://www.renderwurx.com/rc/sig4star/

Hope this helps,




AllThumbs -> Sig 4 * 40 (7/13/2003 7:21:47 PM)

Where I fly the Sig 4 * 40 is the overwhelmingly favorite "second plane".
Seperate aileron servos and sheeted turtle deck are the typical "mods".

That last website DTB rferred to is really nice.
Geez, I want to build one - just to build one that way.

The other planes people here like are the Sig Something Extra and Tiger 2.
You'll have to ask the experienced for opinions on them.
Sig Kougar/Cobras are also well liked.




csisfun -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/13/2003 9:09:39 PM)

sounded great until i found out its a kit :(, and furthermore, i dont fly too great. i need a Low winged trainer... actually i land crappily only, i survive in the air. Seagull PC9 looks great (and cheap), it requires a 46 engine (or 40, listed in RCA), but ive only got a 40. Would it work if a 46 is needed?




DTB -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/13/2003 9:59:12 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by csisfun
sounded great until i found out its a kit :(, and furthermore, i dont fly too great. i need a Low winged trainer... actually i land crappily only, i survive in the air. Seagull PC9 looks great (and cheap), it requires a 46 engine (or 40, listed in RCA), but ive only got a 40. Would it work if a 46 is needed? [/QUOTE]


csisfun, since building is not for you right now. I would recommend a Super Sportster. It is a good 2nd plane. It flys well, but not as stable as the four star. Only a slight difference, but still a good plane to consider. It is available as an ARF.

[img]http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma1042main2.jpg[/img]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAVR1&P=0

OR

A "U-Can-Do" ARF is actually not a bad 2nd or 3rd plane to fly around before trying to do any 3D stunts. More of a med-wing though.

[img]http://www2.gpmd.com/image/g/gpma1269.jpg[/img]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDUL8&P=0

OR

Hobbico Brightstar, which is actually a true low wing trainer. Hobbico made a skyvista, which was bascially the same exact plane.

[img]http://www2.gpmd.com/image/h/hcaa2065.jpg[/img]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXK977&P=0
http://www.hobbico.com/reviews/hcaa2065-rcr.html
http://www.hobbico.com/reviews/hcaa2065-rcm.html

All these planes have wheel pants, so take it easy if flying off a grass runway.

Also, the .40 size motor you have will work on the Seagull PC9 IMO.




bentgear -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/13/2003 11:01:35 PM)

Why not just get another trainer and finish learning how to fly it.
Ed M.




csisfun -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/13/2003 11:09:12 PM)

i can fly! but its just that im not too good at landing!!! coming to the planes, i thank you all for these suggestions, however, i dont get Tower Hobby planes here, and some planes (like the Brightstar) are really expensive! $300! owch!

im also thinking of SPAD, is this good?


btw, im 13=poor, so i dont wanna spend too much! :D




Balsa -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/13/2003 11:34:11 PM)

Why not get a Super Air i think they're one of the most popular 'second models' in the uk.

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/superair.htm

There's a review on this site btw, at:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/tm.asp?m=952677]




bulletbob -> trainer wrecked (7/14/2003 2:30:27 AM)

You are young, broke, and relatively new to this. I understand, being old, broke at a different level and new also. Go to the spad site and look at the Debonair or the Buhor. Durable, cheap and easy to build. I have never regretted doing so after learning on the LT40 kit, which was expensive, fragile, and hard to build. Better even is to find someone with experience with spads to help you chose and build one. Good luck




Kraut -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 2:40:00 AM)

[QUOTE]im also thinking of SPAD, is this good?
btw, im 13=poor, so i dont wanna spend too much! [/QUOTE]

You sound like a perfect candidate for a SPAD! You already have most - if not all the stuff you'll need from your trainer to complete a SPAD. I recommend building a DPS - I think you'll find it a great second airplane. If you just have to have a low wing plane - you could build a Demon - but I recommend building a DPS first.

Good luck!




superstarselect -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 4:36:10 AM)

u could buy a flight simulator and practice landings then buy a plane plus flight simulators are cheaper than planes




bulletbob -> next plane (7/14/2003 5:29:43 AM)

good suggestion on the simulator. the FMS is free and can be run with a simple joy stick if you do not want to hook up to your radiotx. Spad site has link to the FMS




ethal86 -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 5:44:38 AM)

The way I read this is you took your first solo flight and crashed.
The answer is easy to what is the next plane..............another trainer!!!




Ghostbear -> Landing (7/14/2003 6:57:16 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by csisfun
i can fly! but its just that im not too good at landing!!! coming to the planes, i thank you all for these suggestions, however, i dont get Tower Hobby planes here, and some planes (like the Brightstar) are really expensive! $300! owch!

im also thinking of SPAD, is this good?


btw, im 13=poor, so i dont wanna spend too much! :D
[/QUOTE]

Not to be snide, but landing is pretty important.

I've seen many pilots who can do loops and rolls and many advanced aerobatics but can barely get the plane down without killing someone.




GPutt33 -> Sig Four Stars - ARF's are available (7/14/2003 7:48:24 AM)

The 4 Stars can be bought as kits and as arfs. Go to Tower and they have them listed.

I kit built the 60 and love it as my second ever plane. Very stable and easy to fly, floats in like a trainer.

Good luck




tim thompson -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 7:59:34 AM)

kadet lt-40 or sr telemaster




DTB -> Re: Sig Four Stars - ARF's are available (7/14/2003 8:02:28 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GPutt33
The 4 Stars can be bought as kits and as arfs. Go to Tower and they have them listed.

I kit built the 60 and love it as my second ever plane. Very stable and easy to fly, floats in like a trainer.

Good luck
[/QUOTE]

GPutt33, is the 4*40 available as an ARF? I knew that the 60 size was available as an ARF, but a 40 size was needed in this situation and I was under the impression that the 40 size was only available as a kit. I couldn't find a 4*40 ARF at tower, but I did see the 60 size as an ARF. I personally own a 4*60 which I built from a kit instead of buying an ARF. Either way, this is a great plane..

Thanks,




csisfun -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 12:05:34 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ethal86
The way I read this is you took your first solo flight and crashed.
The answer is easy to what is the next plane..............another trainer!!!
[/QUOTE]

didnt blow my plane up because of an error caused by my- its the Rx.

Anyway, I may consider getting a trainer, i really dont know... Trainer, or low wing...

if its a trainer- it'll be a Arising Star.




raptor5900 -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 5:09:26 PM)

ok man you'll find a way to make money some how i did and now i'm building a $800 plane.......i would recomend a lowwing like the UCD cuz if you get another trainer you will get bord with it real fast.




csisfun -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 5:32:51 PM)

ive been having this dilemma too
if i get a trainer, i can beef up my skills
if i get a low wing, i can fly stuntZ

Aaaaa!




Crashem -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 9:31:35 PM)

[QUOTE]ive been having this dilemma too
if i get a trainer, i can beef up my skills
if i get a low wing, i can fly stuntZ
[/QUOTE]

The above statement says it all, its just to funny. :D

One question, If your skills need beefing up, how do you expect to fly stuntZ? Maybe you consider slamming that low wing into the ground a stunt?

SPAD sounds like a good idea. An even better one would be to master the basics. Landings are what I would consider a basic skill unless you have one use disposable planes :D

try not to rush the learning process its part of the fun of the hobby.




Tattoo -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 10:49:53 PM)

For those beginners who don't think so:

Trainer airplanes can do stunts. They can do stunts very well. The difference between the stunts a trainer can do and the stunts a sport plane can do is the speed at which the stunt happens.

There may be some negitive G stunts a high dihedral flat bottomed trainer can't do cleanly...but there are PLENTY of stunts that it CAN do.

If you are bored with your trainer because you think all it can do is fly in ovals and figure 8's guess again. Next time you see a good pilot with a stunt plane going crazy...see if he is willing to fly your plane and ask him to show you what your plane can do...you will be amazed.

It's not the plane that does the stunts. It's the pilot. When a new pilot earns his wings on a trainer, then it's time to start really learning how to fly his trainer...including stunts. Once the pilot has all the stunt learned on a trainer (by this time take offs and landings are second nature and honed to perfection), then it may be time to start looking for a plane that does all the stuff a heck of a lot faster.




tiggerinmk -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/14/2003 11:32:06 PM)

The way I see it, unless you really want to go straight to a low wing plane, you've got 3 options:

1. Balsa/ply: Get an Avistar or something similar. The semi symetric airfoil and (probably) reduced dihedral results in a more aerobatic craft than the standard flat bottomed trainer.

2. SPAD: See above. In most cases you'have have to scratch biuld using plans from a web site. Any good at folding signs?

3. I'm gonna get flamed from both sides for this :D A Sturdy Birdy or Duraplane. I got a Sturdy Birdy a while ago and didn't like it. But having graduated from my LT-40, I've gone back to it and flying it is a blast. It's (a lot) faster than yer average trainer and I think more aerobatic too... plus it'll take more abuse than a wood plane and is easy to put together though it's not an ARF (in the common sense).




Tattoo -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/15/2003 1:09:27 AM)

The cool part about a Dura-plane or sturdy-birdy is that it can be rebuild for almost nothing. The tail boom is aluminum channel you can get from LOWES or ACE etc...the fuselage is gutter pipe you can get at ACE etc...the tail can be replaced with a signboard tail, and the wing can be replaced with a signboard wing. Even the landing gear can be replaced with stock you can get from a hardware store. If you really had a bad crash...a new firewall and engine mount could be cut out of a poly kitchen cutting board.




DTB -> Wrecked my trainer- whats next? (7/15/2003 2:28:32 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tattoo
For those beginners who don't think so:

Trainer airplanes can do stunts. They can do stunts very well. The difference between the stunts a trainer can do and the stunts a sport plane can do is the speed at which the stunt happens.

There may be some negative G stunts a high dihedral flat bottomed trainer can't do cleanly...but there are PLENTY of stunts that it CAN do.

If you are bored with your trainer because you think all it can do is fly in ovals and figure 8's guess again. Next time you see a good pilot with a stunt plane going crazy...see if he is willing to fly your plane and ask him to show you what your plane can do...you will be amazed.

It's not the plane that does the stunts. It's the pilot. When a new pilot earns his wings on a trainer, then it's time to start really learning how to fly his trainer...including stunts. Once the pilot has all the stunt learned on a trainer (by this time take offs and landings are second nature and honed to perfection), then it may be time to start looking for a plane that does all the stuff a heck of a lot faster.
[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. It is the pilot that does the stunts, not the plane. Some planes can perform stunts easier than others but a trainer can do them, except a trainer has to have plenty of power on it to do the maneuvers. I flew my Superstar 40 with a OS 46FX bolted upfront until the cover started to come off (not literally), but having more power will allow the plane to do things that you would not think was possible. I was able to do many acrobatic maneuvers with a flat bottom, high wing trainer which had plenty of dihedral. This plane was able to do knife edges, inverted flying, hammerheads, etc.. Although the plane was able to do these, it wasn't always easiest or the cleanest, but it performed the stunt. My trainer actually hated to do knife edges, but that is the fun part of it, which makes you better when you moved on to other planes. The ability to make a plane do something that it doesn't want to do or doesn't do well only builds your skill level. Flying a trainer doing some IMAC maneuvers is a fun experience, especially if the trainer has a little extra power on it to make it climb easier.




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