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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 2:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a HUGE difference between perfect scale, and not scale at all.

NO ONE is asking for a perfect 1/5th scale recreation of a Bf 109 or Fw 190D9. All we were asking is why the ESM looks like a Dora and the KMP looks like... well honestly I don't know what it looks like.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 2:12 PM   
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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 2:44 PM   
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If you look over on the Val Thread. Someone has already flown it and said it was a real gentle flyer...

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 2:54 PM   
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Gerry,
If you look over on the Val Thread. Someone has already flown it and said it was a real gentle flyer...

Ty



Thank you, for the info going there now:-)

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 2:56 PM   
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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 3:16 PM   
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Thank you for your reply . That is direction that I was looking for in features that return on real benifits .
1)Now a few points of interest , I am very glad to hear that the format is made for US made retracts , now the next question , I typically reinforce every arf in the retract bay area , do you guys see that as needed in the sig series ?
2)Most of the ARfs , especially CMP use a differant type of Glass )cheaper ) , Andrew is very well versed on the type , can you tell us if the KMP is useing the more superior type as it has in the past ?
3)Hindge points will they take robart hindges , or designed for CA hindges ? is there a good wood foundation for real robart hidges ?
4)CG /Flight test , do Andrews flight test have a sweet spot for CG and suggested engine set up on the D9 , or is this plane still awaiting flight test ?
5)sorry if i missed this point are the wings fully sheeted ?
Thanks for your time


1. The most recent directive given to the manufacturer was in fact a reinforcement of the retract mounts from the prototype.
I believe what ever else you choose to do is just some extra. None of these planes are designed for carrier landings, you must learn to fly them and land properly.
2. The last feature of what I posted prior should answer this question. I feel the glass is superior. I was amazed at the restoration process. I think it was a testimony of the construction.
3. Yes, the planes are already hinged for pin style hinges.
4. The suggested CG in the instructions are not guesswork. It is as printed. Engines can vary a great deal. The tests were performed with the Aerovate 45cc.
5.Yes, Wings always fully sheeted on the Sig Series aircraft.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 4:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		sounds like you guys are trying to improve things, there's always room for that they say...lol

at least you all seem to care about it, so many do not...just the initial sales.

Thanks its refreshing!

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 5:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Experten109/40

whats with this armachair BS? NOBODY here owns the KMP FW 190 yet.. NOBODY. so somebody makes negitive comments on
how it looks in the photo and there armchair quaterbacks. somebody who makes positive comments on something they don't own yet is what?
Gospel? care to answer that last question? and yes I don't need reminding that some comments were over the top. not arguing.. just
curious on your opinion. I should add for the few that did see it in person, comments were generally negative.

thank you very much.... that is much appreciated!

- Original Message -
Mr. Bryant's message, email removed for privacy
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 12:04 pm
Subject: Enquiry from Kondor Model Products
To: Kondor Model Products

> Hi Andrew,
> Last night at our club meeting a club member who was at
> Northwest expo was telling me about the D9 he was really
> impressed and said he kept going back to talk to Gus. I thought
> you would like to know this as Cris is a Beech Baron pilot (full
> size) flies turbines gassers and nitro. Good recomendation.
> Bryant

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President - Kondor Model Products
www.kmp.ca

This is only one of the emails we receive from modelers that have seen and touched. The opinions shared on RCU have a wide variety of opinions from the Armchair of their seats.... to hands on opinions. I think that is what Magnum was trying to relay. I think that is what Vally was trying to say. For New modelers trying to decide what to do, it is possible to be mislead is what I took from the post. You have to be careful to discern what is the truth.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 5:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		to clairify, my point was those who have negative comments about the KMP Fw190 are just as valid as those
who had positive comments. without seeing the plane in person of course. that said, I personally don't like
the paint scheme. and that canopy... is just awful. again, just my opinion.

as for Valawyer.. I would distance myself as far away as humanly possible from that guy. is support is something
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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 6:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		What experten said.

Hands on or not, the Fw 190D9 still doesn't LOOK like a Fw 190D9. It looks kinda like one.

I too am a full sized pilot, with over 1600 logged hours in everything from the J-3 I first soloed on to the TP-51B of the Collings Foundation. That doesn't mean much in the model avaiation world.


As I said, the T-28 KMP makes and the AT-6 look GREAT. Rather scale lines, decent looking green houses and canopies. SO what happened to the Fw 190 D9?

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 6:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		And like Andrew said,,, offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism in PM format or in a professional manner if you want our response. We desire this. We want to make the definition of previously stated a "Model of Distinction" Remember, again Evil, this plane you are judging is not the final copy... There was a great deal of correction input directed at the factory. IT is their desire to capture the attention of the modeling community as well. I believe the canopy will change, the paint will change, and many other things. Give us time and a break!

PS, we did use your list as a beginning of the investigation to decide what changes we wanted to implement now and later. Not all will be done, but most. We do listen when you are professional about it.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 6:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flytaildragger, then consider it done, and the matter, from my point, dropped until we see the finished model.

And remember, while shocked, my first response was, for the most part, professional in regards to what needed to be fixed.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 10:39 PM   
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And like Andrew said,,, offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism in PM format or in a professional manner if you want our response. We desire this. We want to make the definition of previously stated a ''Model of Distinction'' Remember, again Evil, this plane you are judging is not the final copy... There was a great deal of correction input directed at the factory. IT is their desire to capture the attention of the modeling community as well. I believe the canopy will change, the paint will change, and many other things. Give us time and a break!

PS, we did use your list as a beginning of the investigation to decide what changes we wanted to implement now and later. Not all will be done, but most. We do listen when you are professional about it.


You can do one hell of a lot of improvement for very little cost increase by doing an accurate paint scheme, that is colors and patterns. It goes a long way to making a model look right, it seems like improving the canopy wouldn't be a huge increase in cost either.

With a good paint scheme and improved canopy I would probably be in for the current fuse if it was at a good price.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 10:46 PM   
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Are they made better?  Better than what''? There is no other 80 inch wing span FW190 ARF out there.  Just this one.  And the price is right.  There is no 95'' one except the Easy Tiger one, either.  There are a hand full of kits but who wants kits anymore?  Not many.


What about this one Wallawyer? Have you forgot the ESM Dora? Much more correct to scale than the KMP bird and a nice price too.



that is pretty damn good, got to admit. In fact I think I will have to blow some money on that beauty.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 10:51 PM   
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If it looks good and flys good who cares if it's not perfect to scale.I would bet anybody who has posted on this forum that while they are flying it they could not tell the difference if it were perfect to real pics or just like it is.My planes are for flying not sitting around and looking at,you can build a static model for that.I think I fall into the 90% of people who would buy it and that I would have never known if it was not perfect to scale or not it looks good to me.


Agreed especially if its at the right price. CMP make a pretty decent looking zero and 109 are the perfect no, are they passable yes. Is cmp's 120 sized spitfire passable, good god no. Am I asking and answering my own questions, yes. Does this make me a complete jackass, yes.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 11:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I totally agree the canopy and paint would be huge and a relatively easy and inexpensive fix which would go a long way! at first glance those are the two features that stick out the most

Flytaildragger glad to see we all can come together and turn this thing into a positive, I thank you for the response to LDM it answered much of the same questions I had and I'm sure others as well

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/2/2011 11:48 PM   
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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/3/2011 2:58 AM   
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I recently bought the yellow T-28 Trojan and the Japanese Val. They are not the easiest ARF's to build but once they are done, they will look pretty nice. What's really great about the planes is that the standard G.I. Joe pilots for $15.00 fits perfectly in the KMP planes without having to buy a $75.00 pilot figure! I may buy the KMP Do-335 later on this year!






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Where'd you get the gun and gunner for th Val? And do you have a pilot figure as well?
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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/3/2011 3:03 AM   
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I recently bought the yellow T-28 Trojan and the Japanese Val. They are not the easiest ARF's to build but once they are done, they will look pretty nice. What's really great about the planes is that the standard G.I. Joe pilots for $15.00 fits perfectly in the KMP planes without having to buy a $75.00 pilot figure! I may buy the KMP Do-335 later on this year!

I like the Val, waiting to hear how it flies. The model is affordable, no need for retracts. I will have to research this one. Looks like it has a lot of wing area, if the kit is light, it would be perfect for an electric version.


Gerry





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I haven't finished mine yet, but let me tell you that all you have to do is take a look at that wing and you'll realize it HAS to fly well! Huge area, thick airfoil. I'll bet the thing'd fly at 30 lbs! (kidding there). Look at the wing and you recall pretty quickly that this is a model of an airplane that was designed to lift bombs!
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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/3/2011 3:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, why does every company build the same size war birds?? They are all around 60" - 88" inch.. You should start making around 100" and 110" inch FW 190 or Corsair.. Not everyone has time to build something that size from a kit or glass kit.. Why build what everyone is has?? Make a market for yourself and become a leader..

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/3/2011 3:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Grundy, that is an excellent idea and many would like to see it. The problem arises that usually a bird that big would be a pretty expensive kit, requiring a equally expensive engine and retracts. While some would gladly purchase such a plane, it puts it out of the hands of a large portion of potential buyers and for that fact I think that manufactures wont produce planes that big knowing that the customer base would be small.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/3/2011 4:13 AM   
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Hey, why does every company build the same size war birds?? They are all around 60" - 88" inch.. You should start making around 100" and 110" inch FW 190 or Corsair.. Not everyone has time to build something that size from a kit or glass kit.. Why build what everyone is has?? Make a market for yourself and become a leader..

well in my opinion I would think the money envolved would be out of the question for most.
especially if they like scale looks. not everybody makes money like a lawyer does.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/3/2011 3:58 PM   
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Hey, why does every company build the same size war birds?? They are all around 60'' - 88'' inch.. You should start making around 100'' and 110'' inch FW 190 or Corsair.. Not everyone has time to build something that size from a kit or glass kit.. Why build what everyone is has?? Make a market for yourself and become a leader..



Already being done: http://vogelsang-aeroscale.com/warbirds.html ...in 1/4 scale...if you are willing to pay the dollar.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/3/2011 4:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I broke down and ordered my T-28 two days ago. Should be here in a couple of months which gives me time to decide on an engine and purchase all the other goodies I'll be needing to finish it. Hopefully I'll have it done by this fall.

Anyone that has a T-28 want to let me know anything before I get the model? I know the initial run had a couple problems, but the thread has been cencored and information is sort of hard to come by. I don't want bashing. Just some pointers on things I should check specific to this kit. It will receive the usual going over when it arrives.

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RE: The New KMP Signature Series Warbirds - 3/3/2011 4:14 PM   
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For KMP we decided on the 1/5th scale for several reasons. Shipping for a plane 100" plus would be two boxes and run close to $275 or more. I will concur with some of the other conclusions that the expense would again be half again more and to make it flyable, the engine, servos, etc would up the ante considerably. Then there is transportation to the field.

The desired managable size is 80"-86" and IMAA legal.

There are several companies in Europe that boldly go larger and their price reflects it.

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