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Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 1:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, here we go again. Modelers losing our planes because of a manufacturers inadequate designs and structural failures. This is not the first time for Jet Legend. I had their new large F-15B with a new Jet Cat 160. On the fifth flight, a level flight at a cruise speed, one or both elevators failed causing a catastrophic crash; a complete loss of everything, turbine, radio, batteries, the whole works. What we were able to determine was there was a failure in one of the elevators. The design of the internal structure is weak and is very inadequate. Not only a poor design but the glue did not stick to the metal tube spar and the pins that hold the spar from rotating inside the elevator stabs were missing. I contacted Jet Legend to let them know in hopes of recuperating something, as this was completely their fault. Bottom line is that they don’t care nor would admit to their failures. Just recently a friend of mine lost his Jet Legend L-39 from the wing folding in-flight, obviously, another design problem. It is time we modelers stop buying products from Jet Legend. We are throwing away thousands of our dollars, because they don’t want to spend their time and money on proper Research and Development. Many people will lose their jets because of inadequate designs from companies like Jet Legend, and be willing to accept the fact that “things can happen.” Well, failures don’t just happen from companies that spend the time to research a product and it's quality. In my opinion, based observations of mine and my friends L-39, you are taking a chance with Jet Legend. Well, it is time we say, no more to Jet Legend. Jet Legends doesn't have what it takes to consistently produce products that won’t fail and back up their product when someone looses everything due to their structural failures. We work hard for our money and we don’t need to waste it on junk. Don’t let them take your money so that someday you won't have to say, I wish I had listened to the warning about Jet Legend.

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 2:24 AM   
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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 3:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Same thing happened to a JL F-20 I had benitez. Elevator failed in flight and fluttered, then went in. Total loss like yours, brand new 160SX and everything. Balsa block in the stab. No more China **** for me!!!

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 3:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jet legend jets are nothing but polished turds! 2 weeks ago one of my buddies maidened his JL F-20. Great looking jet btw...paint job was nice and shiny. On the second flight, straight and level flight at half throttle, the right stab fluttered off causing the jet to violently pitch up which snapped the right wing off. Total loss to airframe and most of the onboard gear. You should have seen the way the stab pivot rods were installed...just glueed into balsa block with the cheap Chinese crap they call glue. The wing skins were 1/32" balsa with what appeared to be epoxy resin painted on the inside. Absolute POS!

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 3:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll back up Joel. I was the spotter when the left stab fluttered and separated from the jet. It started rolling and the right wing broke off just outside the gear mounting blocks. The pilot was at about half throttle in level flight. I got the motor shut down to prevent a fire but the crash was straight down full of fuel.. most everything was destroyed but the motor was repairable. The investigation showed the rt stab was glued to a balsa block. The stab bearing rod was titanium with no scoring to help adhesion. There was no ply ribs to support the balsa bearing block and the two haves the stab butt glued to hold the entire thing together. The spar for the stab was 1/8 balsa..nothing more. The wing spar that broke was 3/16 balsa. Jet Legend should replace this jet and everything in it. While the jet looked good it was poorly engineered and assembled. There is not enough structure in the wings and stab to use as a turbine powered airplane. I hope Jet Legend reads the mail and replaces this (and the others) jet. In the mean time I STRONGLY RECOMMEND anyone considering buying a Jet Legend product to very cautious, they may look good but you cant see inside. Pictures of this jet both before and after the crash will be available soon for viewing.

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 3:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's really strange that a balsa block was used. I owned a JL F-18c and it was built like a tank so it is with surprise that I am reading about these failures..

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 3:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		joel i contacted them to see what they were going to do about it and i was told that its part of the hobbie and i lost everything because my airplanes was full of fuel and everything burned to a crisp

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 3:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		dubd i kept the elevator stab and i even sent them the pictures and still have sitting in my garage

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		well, in Benitez case, its true. I was there and saw the whole thing and inspected the elevator. I was suprised, like the others who lost their JL junk planes that there was small balsa blocks, no ply ribs or anything useful inside the elevator. Not even a good glue joint. I have been building jets, ducted fan since 1986 and turbines since we have had them in the USA and I was shocked to see the inside of this elevator. Well, it is about time we let this company know, we have had it with their junk.

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:12 AM   
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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a very nice JL F-16, I really like the hardwood they used on the airframe, very clean. As far as under the wing skin, God knows whats in there. One can only hope for the best. Its always a hit n miss with these low cost Chinese manufacturers. Unfortunately the low cost make it appealing enough to make it worth the risk. If it wasnt for them, a lot of people wouldnt even be flying scale jets.
I sometimes feel equally as mad that US manufacturers cant find a way to make affordable and reliable models.

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whao,
I've had my eye on a JL T-45, and a CT-114 Tutor. Boy that makes one sit back and wonder now. Especially after their response. Basically oh well. No Support for their incompetence. Let them sell their products locally and we'll see how long they stay in business. I can see if they were going to step up to the plate and take responsiblity for their short comings.

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:33 AM   
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Maybe we should name them Junk Legends


I think that the problem is not easy as that. This kind of thing have been happening for years, as every manufacturer had a airplane desintegrating in mid air once or twice and in most cases when the airplane was a new and unproven design.


And of course, it really sucks when happens. I am very sorry for Benitez loss.






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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		benitez195, I believe you. I witnessed a friend's JL F-20's elevator fail late last year and it was a total loss.

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		CHECK OUT THIS RUDDER// NO RIBS,SPARS HOOKED TO SHEETING,,SHINNY THOUGH

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The old saying is you get what you pay for. It does seem like the upper end kits like BVM and Composite arf are a bit pricey, but then, they don't have failures

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 4:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry to hear about all the losses guys.Thats why i cringe when i hear about severly overpowered arf jets from "discount manufacturers"...seems to be somewhat of a quality,engineering crapshoot at times.you know..my grandmother used to say"you will never be cheated when you buy the best.buy something cheap and you will buy it twice" looks like we should all give our respective aircraft a fine tooth inspection and fix anything that is found suspect,and not fly till having done so.best of the best to all of you.thx.

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 5:00 AM   
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The old saying is you get what you pay for. It does seem like the upper end kits like BVM and Composite arf are a bit pricey, but then, they don't have failures



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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 5:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		YO RAPPTOR ! YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME MAN..DID..DID YOU JUST OPEN UP YOUR RUDDER AND FIND SUCH AS WE SEE!? OH CRAP! WHAT MANUFACTURER DID THAT? ITS UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! BUT THERE IT IS...NOT JOKE RIGHT??!!

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 5:19 AM   
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....... Unfortunately the low cost make it appealing enough to make it worth the risk. ......



Speak for yourself on that one... Their low costs makes me not purchase them. I'd rather spend an extra year or 2 to save up for a quality kit that needs to be built and fitted out with actual customer service, than get a cheap ARF from china that the only customer service you get is "thats part of the hobby, sorry".

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 5:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		This posting is RIGHT ON. I lost my Jet Legend F-20 last weekend due to the right elevator splitting on the seam line and departing the aircraft in mid flight. This resulted in the complete destruction of the airplane, virtually a total loss of all the electronics and serious damage to the new JetCat P120SX. Upon inspection the elevator was constructed by cementing the elevator shaft into a roughly 2”x2” balsa block. No ply or hardwood was used in this critical structural joint nor was any carbon fiber added. To make matters worse the balsa used was extremely soft, easily pinched flat with the fingers. It seems that the RC flyers are the test pilots for Jet Legend rather than them doing actual testing prior to bringing the product to market. Further the structural failures in the F-20 elevator have evidently been occurring over a period of time. In other words, they have not been corrected nor has any effort been made to bring this to anyone’s attention. It reminds you of Toyota.
I have brought this problem to Jet Legend’s attention through Camlex one of their US dealers. It is unfortunate that postings regarding Jet Legend’s shortcomings may have a negative effect on Camlex as they have been extremely fair to deal with and issues such as this are not their fault.
Included below are 5 images taken after my total loss. It is evident from looking at these photos that construction of the elevator is completely inadequate for a high performance turbine jet capable of speeds approaching 200 miles per hour. At the time of my loss I was probably going not more than 100-125 miles per hour, at approximately half throttle. Also included is a photo of the right wing showing the internal structure. Note the lack of sanding off of the laser cut parts prior to gluing.
It might be interesting to note here on RCU exactly how many F-20’s and other JL airframes have suffered a similar fate.


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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 5:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Quote"The old saying is you get what you pay for. It does seem like the upper end kits like BVM and Composite arf are a bit pricey, but then, they don't have failures"Quote"

That's not entirely true, the BVM King Cat had a problem with the booms cracking and causing crashes. Then
David Shulman was flying an Ultra Bandit straight and level when it failed in flight and was completely destroyed.
So keep dreaming those were both high end jets. Of course BVM corrected the problem immediately
and added fixes on his site. For the record I own a BVM Bandit and a BVM Bob Cat...

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 5:49 AM   
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''Quote''The old saying is you get what you pay for. It does seem like the upper end kits like BVM and Composite arf are a bit pricey, but then, they don't have failures''Quote''

That's not entirely true, the BVM King Cat had a problem with the booms cracking and causing crashes. Then
David Shulman was flying an Ultra Bandit straight and level when it failed in flight and was completely destroyed.
So keep dreaming those were both high end jets. Of course BVM corrected the problem immediately
and added fixes on his site. For the record I own a BVM Bandit and a BVM Bob Cat...

P. Richards aka SwatTeam





There was a super Bandit wing spar failure at one time too, and as for Comp ARF, there were many Eurosports that came apart after hatches blew off, in the non jet world, the comp arf "Impact" certainly did leave an impact on us all as the tails blew off, they all have problems, fortunately, the more expensive manufactures seem to have less problems than some.

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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 5:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I seem to remember the Ultra Bandit having a series of inflight breakups...something about the canopy and the nose section failing with rather spectacular results. Lightnings having their tails blow off in flight ETC ETC...the list is endless.

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The old saying is you get what you pay for. It does seem like the upper end kits like BVM and Composite arf are a bit pricey, but then, they don't have failures



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RE: Jet Legend Buyers Beware - 3/2/2010 6:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have not seen very many other F-20's out there. On top of poor engineering the rear fuse was inadequately braced and caused many heat issues regardless or pipe install. I had to put so much Heat Shield and ceramic blanket in the fuse to protect it and it still got warm. The bottom of the fuse would sag and bow in and out.

The gear pretty much did not function. The design was completely wrong. The struts are so long and the wheels so heavy that there is not enough mechanical advantage in the trunion to bring the gear up, not even at 120 PSI. They work fine on the ground, like all gear do, but in the air I think I got them up about 2 times in 12 or so flights.

The funny thing is, yes, these kits are cheap and the manufacturing shows but what I don't understand is how much extra does it cost to add RIBS!!!! I mean this becomes more of an issue of just general building competence. You are not going to tell me that an extra sheet or 2 of wood is going to rise the cost of the kit in order to get a decent kit and by decent I mean flyable. Not only do they not care about who they sell to they don't care about the $4000 + dollars worth of gear that you have riding on board. I have a FB F-18 that I have been working on and I am extremely concerned now. I know that this is a different company but over there it could be coming from all the same factory.

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