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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/17/2004 2:20:24 PM   
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DROP TANKS/ BOMB DROP PYLONS #4

The finished product. The tanks wiegh 125 grams per pair when completed and painted. Pylons, Vortac mechanism, and servo add about 3 oz more, so I have added about 7 oz altogether. My Saito .72 labored just a little bit more on take off, but performance seemed unaffected once airborn. They sure look great in the air. Most pics that you will find of Navy, carrier based Corsairs in WW II will have at least one of these drop tanks (some had a drop tank on the right wing, 500 lb bomb on the left).
The picture in the air isn't the greatest, hope to add a better one later.

Oh yeh, forgot to mention where the drop tanks came from. From an earlier post:
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I went to a swap meet today, and bought some 1/8 scale fuel tanks which are marketed by Wing Mfg. These appear to be the perfect scale size for the tanks which were carried by many of the carrier based Corsairs late in WW II (such as my #167/ Bunker Hill based F4U-1D). I plan on installing them soon on my Corsair, and will add pictures to this thread when completed. These tanks are part #901, and are available from Wing Mfg. E-mail Dan Gipe at Wing Mfg.


Actually, I may have the part number wrong: correct number may be AC901.

I am planning to attend the Terre Haute (IN) Memorial Day Warbird Fly-In, hope to see some other Corsairs there so we can do a formation fly-by, let me know (e-mail OR PM) if you plan on being there.

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RE: Scale flaps - 5/17/2004 2:37:08 PM   
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Jim that looks awesome!!! Congrats and thanks for keeping the ideas coming!!!

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/18/2004 11:53:04 AM   
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CorsairJock

Your plane looks superb, and the drop tanks make a great difference, your Corsair will stand out in a crowd even in the air. I wondered if they affect the flying qualities at all, which reminded me of another question that you may be able to help with. From you experience with Corsairs, what causes that tail waggle in the air, and is there anything we can do to stop it?

Brian

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RE: Scale flaps - 5/18/2004 1:24:49 PM   
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Hoontz,
That tail waggle is charahteristic with overspeeding the small vertical fin. mine does it too especially at full throttle on a highspeed fly by. the only cure is to enlarge the vertical fin to un-scale like proportions. The Fin even on the full size bird is too small and accountsfor a lot of the handling difficulties encountered with it. soo, Mine doesn't waggle when I draw the power back and don't fly as fast.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 6/7/2004 10:27:36 AM   
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I've finally got back to building and linking up my ailerons. With your experience with the TF Corsairs, do you have any reservations about the snap-on ball links used on the aileron servo?
Never had one pop off?
I ask because they were blamed for the crash of a model (not a Corsair, and a different setup) at our club field recently. I was dubious but as that's the step I am up to then now is the time to ask.

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RE: Scale flaps - 6/7/2004 11:09:47 AM   
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Hi Hoonnz,

I was planning to use two servo's. Reason is that when you use two you can change the use of them. I was planning to program my sender that when you make a roll, the aileron which goes up has more deflection then the one which goes down. In real airplanes they use the same system. When you make a turn, your upper wing has its aileron down, using the same deflection, it will slow this wing down while it has to travell a longer way in the turn. When programmed with different deflection, it will make you help to make a better turn (and maybe even less stall, but that is a guess). And then you also don't have the problem anymore of the ball link.

My flaps are going to be controlled by one servo as you don't want one flap being down and one up as of a faulty servo during landing.

Greetz,
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RE: Scale flaps - 6/7/2004 1:30:22 PM   
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do you have any reservations about the snap-on ball links used on the aileron servo?

I assume you are talking single servo (for ailerons) setup? If so, that is the setup (with ball link) I have on my current Top Flite Coirsar, and never had any problems with it popping of. You just want to be sure there isn't any upward forces on the linkages coonected to the ball, as in something that may apply pressure which would tend to force the ball off.
I used a simular setup on my old DynaFlite Corsair, and never has any problems with that one either (with over 1,000 flights, and several 'mishaps').

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the aileron which goes up has more deflection then the one which goes down.

This is reffered to as aileron differential. And probably the main reason most aircraft have it is because there is more pressure on the underside of the wing than on the top (hence: lift). If the ailerons traveled the same amount, the extra pressure would induce more drag on the aileron going down, thus inducing a tendancy to yaw to the side which has the lowered aileron. This yaw then, is in the opposite direction of the intened bank. Maybe OK for some acrobatic manuvers, but not if you want to make a good turn in the direction you are banking.

Aileron differential can be obtained using a single servo also, using one or more methods. One method is to use 2 ball links on the aileron servo, so thatneither are centered when the servo is neutral. If the bellcranks or installed with the connecting arm outboard (instead of inboard), this will give the ailerons more up travel and less down travel.

And, now we have brought up the 1 servo vs. 2 servo aileron setup argument.
I have built planes both ways, and generally prefer the single servo setup because it is lighter, cheaper, less complicated to install. Many (most) times, having a dual servo setup requires additional servo extensions as well, adding still more cost and weight.
I do however, now prefer the dual servo setup in Corsairs 1/8 scale and larger. Main reason being: it's difficult to get a good, slop free linkage going thru those bent wings.
I've also detected both ailerons either dropping slightly OR raising slightly, due to temperature variations and resulting thermal expansions characteristics oy NyRods. It is very minimal, and the temp changes I am referring to is like when one day it's 72 degrees and the next day it's 90 and humid.
This has me favoring the short linkages which can only be obtained with a dual servo setup
But, like I said, my current one has the single servo setup and it continues to work out pretty good.

As for the flaps: my current one has 2 flaps standard servos (Futaba S3004), but I really wanted to use just one (Hi Torque). I just found it easier to install 2 (I got lazy/ impatient). Again, those bent wings sure make linkages complicated.

Had a GREAT TIME at the C.A.R.D.S. "Warbirds over Grand Ledge" this past weekend, saw a lot af really great looking aircraft flying (too many to single out some), and I flew 3 of my Corsairs (Top Flite, Wattage electric, Flying Styro micro electric).
Thanks to the C.A.R.D.S. for having a great flying site, and hosting this event.

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RE: Scale flaps - 6/8/2004 10:24:58 AM   
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CorsairJock,

Thanx for the clear explanation, it helped me and probably a lot of other persons reading this topic.

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I have built planes both ways, and generally prefer the single servo setup because it is lighter, cheaper, less complicated to install. Many (most) times, having a dual servo setup requires additional servo extensions as well, adding still more cost and weight.


You are right here about all the additionals stuff except for the weight and extra costs are minimum. If you used two servo for the flaps and 1 for the ailerons and change it to two for ailerons and 1 for flaps, you will have the same kind of weight as in total there will be only 3 in the wing installed. Maybe some extra servo extensions, but for your flaps servo in the wing you too need extensions. I never built such a configuration, but I think it wouldn't cost much more, right?

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RE: Scale flaps - 6/8/2004 2:08:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arvid

You are right here about all the additionals stuff except for the weight and extra costs are minimum. If you used two servo for the flaps and 1 for the ailerons and change it to two for ailerons and 1 for flaps, you will have the same kind of weight as in total there will be only 3 in the wing installed. Maybe some extra servo extensions, but for your flaps servo in the wing you too need extensions. I never built such a configuration, but I think it wouldn't cost much more, right?


And you too are correct: weight difference are minimal. Especially for the ailerons: because you are eliminating the bellcranks and long linkages. As for the flaps: you elininate the bellcranks when using 2 servos, but addional servo extensions are not needed. By this I mean: for dual aileron servos, you need a total of 4 extensions (2 coming from reciever for normal hook-up, 2 to get servo wires to the center of the wing, as most servo leads are not long enough to go from outter wing to center), whereas the flaps only need the normal 2 extensions (coming from reciever). If you have the desire/ time/ patience to install a single servo for flaps set-up, a company called Balsa Products (do a Google search) has a hi torque (100 oz/ in) servo that weighs about 1.6 oz, and costs less than $20. This would be an ideal one, as well as the more expensive HiTec servos. And, the standard servo I use are mostly Futaba S3004s, which sell for under $15 each. Such costs are indeed very minimal.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 8/28/2004 5:39:57 PM   
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Great thread ; I am just starting my first Corsair and will be using many of the mods listed here. Can anyone tell me of a good color and markings reference book. Want to do my homework first.

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RE: Scale flaps - 8/28/2004 5:56:39 PM   
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I sure like to hear it when someone does their homework first: too many Top Flite Corsairs out there that look exactly the same. And besides, most of us want a WW II Corsair, NOT a Korean War one.
Squadron/ Signal has a book called "NAVY AIR COLORS", United States Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard Aircraft Camouflage and Markings, Vol. 1 1911 - 1945", which provides very accurate color guides and schemes for the aircraft mentioned and up to the conclusion of WW II. There are several Corsair specific books also, however most do not provide 3 views. My favorite, which shows the color schemes of every WW II Corsair ace, is "Corsair Aces of World War 2" from OSPREY AEROSPACE. Round out the library with Squadron/ Signal's "F4U CORSAIR in action".
There are also some other threads here at RCU which have specific colors listed.

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RE: Scale flaps - 8/28/2004 7:19:27 PM   
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Also many websites have variations shown also.

BUT don't use the colours you see on the screen (or as saved and printed) by getting a paint store to use their computer scanner to match that printed colour. Go by the actual colour number assigned to that colour.

Hmm, that brings up an interesting question:

Should the paint store scan the paint IN THE BOTTLE (unbrushed so to speak) or after it's painted on something??

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RE: Scale flaps - 8/29/2004 12:30:57 AM   
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Thought I'd share a picture of the rudder where I added the trim tab and actuating arm. The plane is coming along nicely and I expect to have her in the air in another week or so. . . .

Mark

Here's one after adding the transfers and doing a little weathering. ..

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RE: Scale flaps - 8/29/2004 1:02:36 AM   
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Added fabric detail to the wings and here's also a shot of the cowl using Jim's layout for the cooling fins. . .

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