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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/3/2005 11:01:00 AM   
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Jim, Thanx!
Doing my best.

Any specific item(s) to start with?

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/3/2005 10:24:26 PM   
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Don't remember if I read it in this thread or elsewheres but:

careful when flying with the cockpit open. Apparently in our models, it MAY drastically alter flight characteristics.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/3/2005 11:18:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arvid

Jim, Thanx!
Doing my best.

Any specific item(s) to start with?



I thought your canopy solution was elegant, so that would have my vote for starters. I also enjoyed your fuel tank access panel... Quite clever...

Cheers!

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/4/2005 5:26:19 AM   
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My vote goes for the sliding canopy also. If I built a Corsair with it, I would make it so it operated from the retract channel, probably just "Y" it to a separate servo. That way, it would only be open when the gear is down.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/4/2005 6:22:02 AM   
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My vote goes for the sliding canopy also. If I built a Corsair with it, I would make it so it operated from the retract channel, probably just "Y" it to a separate servo. That way, it would only be open when the gear is down.


Exactly what I was thinking...

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/4/2005 2:05:02 PM   
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As you requested....
But I have to give thanx to Dion as he gave me the information to make it like this. All credits go to him.

Why a Y cable? If you have enough free channels left, why not put it on a seperate one and configure it on a switch? If you experience problams retracting your wheels during a flight you then can always close the canopy. Just a thought.

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The canopy and its end position as it is planned. The canopy itself is cut with a very sharp knife. Doing it very slowly you

will get two perfectly seperated parts.






On the inside of the canopy connection points will be made which will be fed into gliders/rails. In total there will be 4

gliders, one on each side of the cockpit and one on each side in the fuselage behind the cockpit. Front rails are made from

brass for the looks and support, the rails in the fuselage are made from plastic.
The first picture shows a square tube in which you cut a line. On the second picture you see the rails and with that the

small parts made from small brass tube. They perfectly fit into the square ones. Also cut a line into those as the bent

parts are going to be soldered into here. The bent parts are going to be connected to the canopy later on.






The inside of the canopy is going to get a piece of brass. Two reasons to do so. The first is as the original canopy also is

fitted with metal in the canopy, the second is to provide support. What is difficult is to get the form over on the brass.




As the canopy has differences in hight, with a piece of paper and a pencil you can get the form on paper just in the same

way to copy a coin on paper with pencil.




Cut out this piece and draw the outlines onto the brass.






Then the fuselage

According Top Flite, the cockpit has an upstanding fuselage but the real one doesn't have this, so they had to go. With a

dremel or minidrill cut out enough space to fit in the rail. The front side of the rail is lined up with the hop in the line

on the fuselage.






The rail in the fuselage is made under an angle. To get support from the stringer it is necessary to find it. I used a pin for it. The angle is about the same as the angle the top of the fuselage behind the cockpit.




After outlining the rail on the fuselage I meassured the distance. The left side is a bit higher (distance to the top of the fuselage) then the right side. I made this difference so the canopy is coming loose from the fuselage when moving backwards.




As you can see, I forgot the stringer in the first place and placed the rail too low. With the pin the correct height was obtained.
On the inside I used reinforcement from the piece I cut out to make place for the rail.




After installing







A little dot marks the place to bend.




The canopy tilt backwards when opening. As a result the guiding bulbs need to be rounded up with a dremel




Dry fitting, meassuring and outlining (little scratches on the surface), rough up the surface so the solder can "glue" better. A soldering canon was not hot enough though caused by the big surface. A blowtorch did a good job thoug.




I also wanted some reinforcements at the front side of the canopy and too the front gliders have to be attached to something. So take a piece of paper and lets have a ball. It is necessary to scratch a piece of paper as the front of the sliding canopy has an angle and goes down. If you make a bow and bring this bow in a straight line, the longer side of the bow needs more space and therefor goes up.






The front side sticks out as you can see. This has been done on purpose. Now, when you close the canopy, the front side will slide under the front screen and with that can help to close the canopy nice and neatly.

The gliders at the back side are fixed with solder but this is not possible with the front ones. It is not possible as the front brass pieces were already attachted to the canopy before the right place for the gliders could be obtained. You can imagine what a solder canon or a blowtorch will do with the plastic canopy. For this connection I used two components glue.
The glue the brass on the canopy is also something different. The lower parts of the brass I could get glued with canopy glue, but this was absolutely impossible with the front piece of brass due to the strong forces. For this I too used two components glue. Result is a nice firm glued piece and as canopy glue no visible residue though now it is not loosing up anymore.

The final result.












I didn't make it moveable with a servo, but I think this is not that much complicated though. If you don't use servo operation, you have to make sure the canopy will not slide backwards when flying. The procedure for this I will post probably this weekend.
Hope this will help your building.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/4/2005 9:40:02 PM   
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Exquisite. Thanks.

and thanks again to Luke.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/5/2005 7:59:28 AM   
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Arvid,

Thanks!! You are the man!!

Cheers!

Jim

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/17/2005 12:41:36 AM   
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Well My Corsair has a Hatch. Not in a scale location but should blend in nicely. It's located just forward of former#4. Used lite ply for all of it. The BVM offset hinges didn't work so I went with Rare Earth Magnets. Contains the Switch/charge port, Air fill valve and the Robart pressure gauge. you can see the hole for the fuel dot. The tool to open the the hatch fits in the slot then rotate and pull. Painted yellow so I can find it when it's dropped at the field. I placed 1/64 ply in that area to protect the balsa.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/18/2005 9:18:37 AM   
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Pete, that's too a nice way to fix it!

In a later post I will describe my solution for the hatch. Now first how I fixed the canopy so it won't slide open while flying. It has been a while since my last post. I had to deal with a nasty virus on my computer. Everything is ok now again and all data has been recovered (including building pictures..... )

First you take a paperclip and bend it a bit. By accident the double bent part is exactly 2mm. That was good as I had a brass tube with the inner circle being 2mm. We also take a piece of this tube.




Because all the sanding, the marking for the canopy was vanished so I put a new one and included a mark for the center.




The bend paperclip has to get behind the canopy, so here I mark the center of the bended metal. Note that the front of the paperclip is on the line and not behind as the line drawn already is behind the canopy when putting it on the fuselage. The hole to be drilled is the center of the two wires.




Here you can see that the brass tube is extending under the canopy. That is good as the wire will than seemless fit behind the canopy.




With a 1 mm drill (diameter of the paperclip) I drill the first hole. But as my drill can't handle 1 mm I had to add some tape at the base. Now it was possible to use it.




I drilled the hole right through. Then I pushed back the drill so I got the know the thickness of the fuselage. Then, second picture, add some tape to mark the drill. It is easier to drill a hole the size of the brass tube but I don't want to do that as it will leave relatively an enormous hole in the fuselage. Now I just mad a small cut.






The marking for the thick drill is placed. The depth it will drill is measured in such a manner that the bended part of the paperclip will be covered by the pipe. But as this place can't be reached anymore with fingers or by drill to get the job done, the drill will be put in another brass pipe. First make the tape part as thick as the outer side of the pipe, then tape the drill and pipe together.




Now you can reach it to make the hole.




On top of the fuselage you carve the hole a little bit bigger so the paperclip fits in. This will be the result.





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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 5/25/2005 6:47:02 AM   
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HATCH

Little project of its own. How to put away the not-scale-but-highly-necessary-switch-and-other-components.




Gladly the Corsair is equiped with access hatches like at the back of the tail section. But those are too small and give more wheight to the tail which too is not wanted. But in front of the cockpit there is a fuel hatch just between the canopy and the front antenna, ideal for this project.




A piece of wood perfectly fits on the upper strings.




First a check to fit in the air components as the are long and have to fit in between the servos. After putting the outline on the wood, make the holes for it.




Then place the other components. They are less critical.




Then the hole in the fuselage and the size for it. As the drawing is scale you can take the meassurements and define the size. Then make the circle on paper, cut it out and use it as a template to get the hatch on the wood. As the fuselage is not flat, you can't draw the circle right on the wood.




This is how they are going to look.




The hatch is made of several layers of balsa with a top of 2 mm ply. This top is necessary for the strength. As the hatch is made on top of a spar a carving has to be made. This carving is that deep that the thickness of one layer balsa is left at the top which of course is not strong enough therefor the ply top. The circle made on the wood is slightly bigger than the circle on paper. I did this on purpose and sand the wooden circle later on so it will be fit nicely in the fuselage.




The front side has a rib, very good later on but for now it means that a carving has to be made in the hatch.






After lots of sanding finally ready for the hole in the fuselage




Next step: rounding the hatch




Probably there is a better way, but after 2 hours of work this is the result.








The hatch fits but will not stay on its place though. To keep it there I use little hooks made of balsa. But as balsa is very soft and breaks quite fast I put a couple of drops of CA in the corner.






To open the hatch I studied some pictures. Several showed a handle. 6 layers of brass plate put together with solder. The two outer layers are longer.




In the hatch I made a carving to fit in the handle




The outer two layers are now bend outward so if you pull the handle they have some support on the hatch. The little circle on the right of it is one part of a magnete to hold the hatch in place. The other half is mounted on the deck with components.




The hole under the hatch. The battery is mounted on a little block so it will get closer to the one in the hatch. The hatch itself could turn around the spar, which is not good. The battery is mounted on one side which even magnified the torsion effect. So I glued two little blocks to prevent torsion.




The total view.



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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 6/1/2005 1:25:31 AM   
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Just a couple of photos of how good CorsairJock's rudder modification turned out


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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 6/1/2005 3:26:42 AM