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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 11/13/2003 5:35:33 PM   
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Great Ideas everyone. I have a Top Flight Gold Edition kit still in the box. I am about ready to start construction and will follow the mods listed in this thread. I'll try to take plenty of photos of the construction and post them (especially the mods). I have been building RC aircraft since the mid 70's, and never dreamed of having this much information at my fingertips.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 11/13/2003 10:32:30 PM   
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I am building the gold edition corsair.I have the wing sections built and joined.My next steps were going to be to mount the aileron servo, flap servos and retrects.What have been the best linkages for ailerons and flaps.Or has anyone used dual servos for both or just one servo for flaps and one servo for ailerons. Also does anyone know the progress on Sierras retracts.That seems to be my best bet for retracts from what I have read from you guys. I will be flying off a grass runway.I sounds like whether Century or robarts are used there is going to be a realiabilty or a craftmanship or lack there of problem.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 11/14/2003 12:19:42 AM   
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I have installed an aileron servo in each wing, accessible through hatches. If you opt for this set up make sure that you position your servos so that as one moves forward the other one will move back, else your ailerons will move in the same direction. About the Sierra retracts, there are supposed to be pics posted sometime soon of Darrell's finished product. Most of us are just waiting.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 11/14/2003 1:08:42 AM   
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I'm in the same place (construction wise) as Alvin. Finding this string is like stumbling on a gold mine. I'm going to try to make my Corsair into an F4U-4 circa 1950 with VMF markings. Thanks to all who wrote.
Semper Fi
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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 11/15/2003 6:39:08 AM   
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I have been reluctant to build the Top Flite corsair, because frankly, I'm just not into building!
I came across a older model of a corsair from a company called GM Plastics that looks like a real nice kit. It has a 72" wingspan, ABS fuse with foam core wings. The outline looks scale and it would probably be a little easier to build, since there would be a minimal of sheeting. My concerns with this kit is that it is not retracts-ready and I'm not sure what to use for adhesive between the ABS and the wood. It came with the special adhesive for this kit but it has long since dried out. I'm thinking of going ahead with this corsair with the idea of making it a super-scale project, making mods along the way, such as those listed here and whichever ones come along during building. Has anyone heard of this kit? I think it was around in the 70's, and they made several other models according to the sales sheet included.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 11/18/2003 2:13:08 PM   
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Advise needed.Do futaba s3004's have adequate torque for the control surfaces of the gold edition corsair?I am planning on using one for each aileron.Also will it be better to place the aileron servos in the center where the single servo would be placed?

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 11/18/2003 11:14:39 PM   
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For ailerons, the 3004's should be plenty. I would mount them outboard, near each aileron, with a short control rod directly from the servo to the aileron. That gives you instant response and a very short distance from servo to surface.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 11/19/2003 3:52:25 AM   
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I agree with 'death.

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite <span class= - 11/19/2003 4:32:56 AM   
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I've opened up my cowl into cowl flaps and I wondering about the proper cooling. The flaps are open a good bit; 1/4" all the way around on a cowl ring that was originally approx. 7" in diameter. I am using a slimline muffler and I each exhaust port exits through it's own 3/4" hole in the bottom of the cowl. Now, should open up those muff. openings into a square? I will probably resort to a TF replica engine unless I can find info on obtaining a more realistic one (but not too pricey!) Finally, will the intake air be efficient if I only remove one jug from the replica?

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RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite <span class= - 11/19/2003 2:44:11 PM   
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I’m, glad to here that so many of you are following these posts, I hope to meet up with some of you next summer and do some formation flying. Obviously, it won’t be at the Labor day (giant scale) warbird event in Muncie. Memorial Day at Terre Haute, IN is a definite possibility. So is the Henderson/ Robards, KY Sept. Fly-in, and CARDS (Lansing, MI area), South Bend, IN, and Wheeler, IN warbird fly-ins. I could also make the Evansville, IN July 4 weekend warbird fly-in, but I'm really not enthusiastic about that one anymore as it has transformed into a judged flying contest. It's not that I don't like the competition, it's because only one plane flies at a time during most of these events. I travel to fly with alongside/ with other warbirds, so I prefer the open flying type warbird events. If you have a Corsair and plan to attend ANY of those events, let me know and I'll make an extra effort to attend.

I did manage to attend 3 warbird fly-ins last summer (in addition to my own club’s: the ThunderBirds R/C club, which makes it 4). One of the things I noticed is that there are a lot of BIG warbirds out there. What surprises me though, is that even though my Top Flite Corsair was smaller than most of the other Corsairs that I saw, mine was more detailed (none of the others had machine guns and/ or exhaust stacks and/ or front landing gear doors) and authentic as far as markings go. I saw a large scale Pappy Boyington/ Lulubelle/ #86 Corsair which was only 2 color (med/ blue and lt/ blue instead of proper 3 color), AND had incorrect national insignia (lacked insignia blue background). I'm not bragging about mine, and I know there are far superior looking 1/8 scale Corsairs than mine (see Luke's Royal Corsair), I am just surprised that these guys with big buck and big planes don't take the time to make sure their planes look right/ scale. So, I want to remind everyone: DO SOME HOMEWORK. Buy a Squadron/ Signal book at the very least. Such a book costs less than $10, and will help educate you on proper marking and paint schemes. I am by no means the world’s leading authority on Corsairs. There are plenty of Corsair fanatics out there who are smarter than me, and they will KNOW if your paint scheme/ markings are incorrect without the aid of literature. And whether or not we say anything, our impression of the builder is that he(she?) knows very little about the aircraft he has modeled. And that is what what irks me: warbird pilots who know little or nothing about their aircraft. Regardless of building skills and/ or anything else, I have a lot more respect for a pilot that at least knows something about his aircraft, other than (in the case of the Corsair) it was a fast U.S. fighter plane that Pappy Boyington flew.

Anyone wishing to build their Corsair as an F4U-4 should remember to add the chin/ cowl airscoop.

As for functioning navigation lights, yes I have considered them but haven’t done it yet. I am leaving holes in my Wing Mfg. wing which would allow wires to run to the tips in the future, if I find the time/ ambition to complete such an installation.

Yes, the Futaba S3004s are adequate for this aircraft. In fact, they are what I use on mine. They are relatively light (1.3 oz each), inexpensive ballbearing servos which have more than enough torque. I even use them for my flaps (2 servos), however this may be pushing them to their limits. I certainly would not recommend the S3004 if you are using only one servo for Top Flite Corsair flaps. As for using 2 for the ailerons: it's six of one, half dozen of other. I have come to prefer the 2 servo setup (one servo per aileron) because it makes for an easier installation, easier adjustments, and probably adds very little weight (over the single servo setup) because of the long, bending linkage and bellcrank setup which would not be necessary with the 2 servo setup.

I pretty much covered all the questions regarding engine cooling in a previous post. As I said, I am by no means an expert, and suggest that if you have more questions regarding this matter, begin a new post. You will be able to access much more 'expert' advice that way. Make the title of your post as specific as possible. I for one do not read the vague and/ or teaser posts, I simply don't have that much time to waste.
I will add two things tho (about engine cooling): if you opened the cowl flaps up so that there is a 1/4" gap between flaps and fuselage, it may or may not be beneficial. If the gap is 1/4" at the end of the flaps, but 1/16" (or less) where the cowl is attached to the fuselage, then you have not gained anything. It's like a chain is no stronger than its weakest like: the gap will allow no more air to pass thru than the air that passes thru the narrowest gap. If on the other hand, you DO have at least 1/4" all the way thru the cowl flap area, then you should have sufficient area for air to exit without need of more exit areas.
The other thing is removal of dummy radial jugs: I like my aircraft to look as scale as reasonbly possible, but I am willing to make sacrifices if it means my engine will run better/ cooler/ more dependable. I have had my share of deadstick landings, and altho I have become somewhat comfortable with them, I prefer not to have to do them, especially with my Corsairs. I'm not saying that one cannot obtain depedabilty while removing only one jug, it is just that my preference has become removing two. Also, I think my setup still looks pretty good, even with 2 jugs removed (see pic in previous post). What I failed to mention is that I use aluminum tubing instead of painted plastic for the pushrod guides, they also blend well with Saito engine.

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Six 50 Cal. Machine Guns Mod - 11/20/2003 12:09:03 AM   
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Most early model Corsairs (F4U-1, F4U-1A, F4U-1D, and F4U-4) were armed six, .50 cal Browning machine guns. Some of the night fighter variants had the armament reduced to four .50 cal. Machine guns. Later models (F4U-4B on), as well as the F4U-1C were armed with four 20mm cannon. These mods will add simulated .50 cal machine guns to your 1/8 scale Corsair. If you are building a cannon armed version, these mods do not apply.

The first photo below shows a gun opening on a restored FG-1D (same as an F4U-1D) Corsair. Note that unlike many U.S. fighters of the day, the machine gun barrels are not visible, as they are completely buried inside the wings. Also note the ruler I am holding, to show approximate size, and the fact that these openings are rounded.

The second photo shows an opening on the bottom of the wing. There are three of these openings on the bottom of each wing: one for each machine gun. These openings are where the spent shells exit from as the guns are being fired. The approximate size of each opening is 6” x 2” (see me holding tape measure).

The last image is a 1/8 size drawing of the underside of the right wing, which shows the locations of the machine gun openings, and the shell ejector openings. There are many other details also, such as navigation lights, friend or foe identification lights, the leading edge spoiler (which was installed on the right wing only of F4U-1D and later models), and so on, but we will concern ourselves with only the machine guns for now. This is a very large drawing (about 14" x 22" , so it is unlikely you will be able to print it full size. It would be benifiial for you to copy it to a floppy, take it to a printing place, and have them make a full size copy. I really want to encourage anyone building a Top Flite Corsair to get a printed copy of this. This drawing will really show you how inaccuate the wing tips and ailerons are (especially the 'red box' ones), as you would be able to lay it over your Top Flight drawings to see the differences.

In case you are not able to print the wing drawing to its proper size, I obtained the following dimensions:
1) The centerline of the outermost gun opening is 17 1/8” from the wing tip.
2) The remaining gun openings are spaced 7/8” apart (centerline to centerline).
3) 1/8 scale size of the shell ejector slots is ¼” x ¾”.
4) Each shell ejector slot has its innermost edge (closest to the fuselage) lined up with the centerline of the related gun opening. The outermost edge of each ejector slot is then ¼” closer to the wing tip.
5) The front of the outermost shell ejector slot has its front edge 6 ½” from the leading edge at the gun opening.
6) The rear edge of the middle shell ejector slot is lined up with the front of the outermost shell ejector slot.
7) The rear edge of the innermost shell ejector slot is lined up with the front of the center shell ejector slot.

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Six 50 Cal. Machine Guns Mod - 11/20/2003 12:12:32 AM   
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These mods can be performed by simply removing material, nothing need to be added (except maybe some touch up paint or covering). Although I am using an un-completed Top Flite Corsair to show this mod, I have also performed this mod to a completed Top Flite Corsair, namely the one I have been flying this past summer.
The full scale machine gun openings are approximately 2” diameter, 1/8 that size is ¼”, so machine gun openings should be about ¼ diameter. You can use a drill: a slow, battery operated one is recommended. I also recommend that smaller, pilot holes be drilled first to help maintain accuracy. After drilling, the edges need to be rounded and smoothed with sandpaper. Some of you may be concerned about weaking the leading edge by drilling these holes: this is not a high stress area, and most of the stress is absorbed by wing sheeting, so I don't see any problems (unless of course, the aircraft crashes, in which case this area could become a weak point). I have a combined total of 4 years/ over 400 flights of flying Top Flite Corsairs with this mod and have encountered no problems.
The task of making the machine gun holes look good/ well rounded is probably more easily accomplished if a set of vaccu-formed machine gun holes are installed. I designed such a set about a year ago, and made a few copies with my Mattle Vaccu-Form. Since that time, the long time kit making company Wing Manufacturing has been purchased by a fellow club member, and he is now making these sets. If you are interested, he sells them for $5 a set plus shipping. You will probably be able to pick them up at the upcoming Toledo show for that price (minus the shipping charge, of course). I can also supply you with a set for the same price if you are interested. I hope I am not breaking any RCUniverse rules by offering these for sale here. No one is going to make a living selling these, and certainly not me. I am offering them as a favor to those wishing to upgrade their 1/8 scale Corsair (any make) for a very modest price. I accept PayPal

The first picture shows my wing with 24” ruler palced along the spar line, wher I will measure the 17 1/8” from, and the next 7/8” and last 7/8”.

The second picture shows my wing with all dimensions marked on it. Using a very sharp Xacto knife and a straight edge, I removed the balsa to create the openings. NOTE, I had intended to cover this area first with a layer of ½ oz. glass cloth to help keep the slots true and straight, but got in a hurry to finish so I didn’t. You may opt to do so. As an alternative to cutting holes in the wings, you could just use some flat black paint OR cut some pieces from flat black MonoKote and apply.

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