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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 3:31:35 AM   
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I know that one of the revisions Top flite made to the kit was to build the right thrust into the firewall as opposed to the early GE kit where the firewall is at 0 degrees and you have to add the right thrust by sanding the spacer plates. 5 degrees is way too much, I agree. The best way to be sure of what you have is measure it first. Don't always trust your eyeballs!

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 4:02:12 AM   
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Where is the right thrust built in?


Its built in to the firewall.


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Do Not substitute right thrust in the motor with right thrust on the fin/rudder . The right thrust from the motor is in proportion to the torque of the motor so it is correct at all revs. The rudder offset is only correct at one airspeed so if you slow down you are off to the left and if you speed up you are off to the right.


This is not true. I have taken out the right thrust on other planes and they fly just fine but I haven't tried it on a Corsair yet.

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 4:30:42 AM   
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Do Not substitute right thrust in the motor with right thrust on the fin/rudder . The right thrust from the motor is in proportion to the torque of the motor so it is correct at all revs. The rudder offset is only correct at one airspeed so if you slow down you are off to the left and if you speed up you are off to the right.



This is the kind of info I'm looking for on this mod. I'm not sure what the effects will be on a r/c Corsair, but all my reference shows this offset and thats why I want to do it. The real ones didn't have an offset engine and I was trying to avoid that in this plane.

The pic is what I have so far. It is by all means not the final assembly. I simply placed the tail feathers together for the pic.

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 4:35:44 AM   
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this what you're looking for?

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 5:05:34 AM   
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Rudder-Throttle mix instead of Right Thrust

Heres how to eliminate the right thrust.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_1405455/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#1414420



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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 4:10:03 PM   
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Ganu that's it! Thanks!!!

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 6:38:33 PM   
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i havent sanded anything... it just built up that way. and in your pic super corsair, i cnat tell. take a pic wiht no cowl from top. i relize i can fiz it but im tempted to cut the front off anr rebuild it since the wood there is so incredibly warped the firewall wont even sit strait... i may end up just removing that first inch an going for more scale after this little problem, it will certainly help balance my plane. that engine is HEAVY.

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 9:52:39 PM   
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If the whole firewall is out of line, how does the cowl sit - is it off to?
I'd be cautious about chopping back the nose. Perhaps others who have built this model can comment and give a consensus, but my feeling is that Corsairs are generally tail heavy and need a great hunk of unwanted lead in the nose, so your heavy engine is at least useful weight. If you shorten the nose you may end with a heavier model.

How about sanding a tapered ply shim to correct the alignment of the engine mount?

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/25/2004 11:58:44 PM   
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My Corsairs have not been tail heavy. In fact, my first Top Flight one needed the battery pack located behind the wing to balance properly. This was with Saito .72. As most modelers prefer more power/ heavier engines, shortening the nose a little should not pose a problem, unless of course, one manages to build it tail heavy.

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/26/2004 12:40:58 AM   
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be sure of what you have is measure it first. Don't always trust your eyeballs!

the gold ed has a piece of heavy balsa/ply stuff that sets the thrust. its built into the fus between the main stringers. my F2 pieces touch this liek they should but the thrust still looks off, may be the warp. i never eyeball the engine mounting (occasiounaly i eyeball the Hstab placement though)


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Where is the right thrust built in? It should just be in the mount spacers, the firewall I assume is straight. Up to 3 degrees will be fine, but if it is more then fix it. Did you sand too much of the ply spacer? Or sand more than one spacer, doubling the right thrust?

i have the gold edition, they tried to do me a favor and build in the right thrust for all us idiots out there who cant manage to sand. (note the sarcasm please)


i got a magnum 1.08 in the nose, its not gonna be tail heavy... and the cown doesent sit flat, the f2B and F2 pieces are so warped that at least 1 of the 4 screw points is always away fro mthe former. also, i got lots of stuff i can move around if the weight is infact an issue, though after feeling the engine i doubt it. btw, is 5.1 lbs normal for the fuse wiht no sheeting, engine, radie and retract tail wheel? the plywood that makes the F2 formers is warped in both directions, it makes a waze verticly and horizontaly. everything else came out fine and overall i am pleased wiht the wood supliedi n the kit, though its the heaviest balsa ive ever seen. im gonna end up having to cut a new former, theres no doubt in my mind about that. ne 1 agree with me and jock that cutting hte nose off would be ok, maybe 3/4" - 1" total. also im using CJM air retracts so i could move the air tank around for balance need be. Order from tower comes tomorrow, grand total spent on plane ~ $700 hours building about 20 and all ive dont is build the wing and fuse skeleton! can we say addiction?

btw, my digital camera is full and i need to downlaod images (dont really have 1.5 hours free so... il lget pics to ya later )

also, since i havent already said it, i have the gold ed. kinda wish i had the red box... or at least had the forsight to not build with that right thrust, maybe ifi didnt id only have 2 degrees

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finaly, would it matter if i (on my next one since im hooked) recut the ribs wiht lighter balsa? as opposed to the almoast ply like material included, you cant even pin through it!! im planing to use that rv 90(hope thats right) thing everyones talking about on second 1 so i can turn that 20 incher... on a positive note, i got a chance to trim al lthe flashing off my prop so i dont cut myself on it ne more also gae a light sanding wiht 600 to 1 remove the MAS logo and 2 to give i a metal look. the lines that run down it just dont have that steel vibe for some reason. what kinda paint should i use for tips?

also im gonna ask again, ne 1 no of a place to get 16 X 4 ish 3 blade props? i dotn care about pitch as long as its big diamiter. heck id take a 20 X 1 is i though my plane would get in the air.

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/26/2004 2:20:32 AM   
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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/26/2004 2:22:54 AM   
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last 2 are my mark II not a corsair, sry.

these are the older pics from about a week ago. my camrea was full so ill take more tomorrow or next day.

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RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/26/2004 2:14:23 PM   
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Nice job, Balsa Master.
Seeing the elevators with control horn on reminded me of something: be sure to use the outermost hole in the horn (for less travel). My experience with Top Flite Corsairs (and perhaps ALL Corsairs) is that you don't need a whole lot of elevator travel, and that you will be better off having the more precise control offered by using the outer hole.
Also, thanks to EVERYBODY, this thread now has over 10,000 hits!

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RE: RE: RE: 1/8 scale TopFlite Corsair Mods - 1/26/2004 4:17:50 PM   
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