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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 7/31/2003 2:52:32 PM   
    lucien


     

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Crash90
    I don't think anybody is implying that all of their engines have the same issue. What I have a problem with is the fact that OS charges top dollar for their engines. That's fine also if they are willing to back up their product. Obviously OS knows about the problem with the 91fx and has done nothing about it. Basically they are saying S***w it. That is not the kind of company that deserves my money.
    Anybody who says that OS is the best hasn't tried other engines. I recently got addicted to SPAD building and decided that I didn't want to invest into a top of the line engine. I ended up buying a TT and let me tell you. This engine is every bit as good as the os. I took it out of the box, mounted it and flew. It performs flawlessly. It is also the only engine I have that flip starts on 1 or 2 flips. I wish I would have figured that out 20 engines ago. Think of the money I could have saved.

    Anyhow, that is just one mans opinion. I am done with OS.
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    Well, before you go condemning OS on this issue with the .91, you have to keep in mind a few possible mitigating factors:

    a) They may be having as much trouble as we are reproducing the problem consistently and reliably. Something like half of us aren't having trouble with the motor according to the poll - it may be a very installation-dependent problem that's taking them a while to narrow down. Hell even _we_ aren't really sure exactly what the problem is and we fly these things probably 100 times as much as the factory does (if they even fly them at all).

    b) Even if they have narrowed down the cause, they may be taking their time to fix the problem right. This is the other side of the coin of troubleshooting a problem-coming up with a fix that really is a fix for the problem but at the same time doesn't break something else, such as cost, longevity, suitability for its intended purpose and so on.

    Quality assurance isn't about a couple complaints here and there and then tossing out a half baked fix in a couple days to quiet down the plaintiffs. It doesn't work that way - The right way to do it is to narrow down the problem to a consistently reproduceable scenario, develop a fix through R@D and then test the hell out of it to make sure it was fixed right. Repeat these steps as necessary.

    I promise you, this is NOT a quick or cheap process unless the problem is VERY simple involving cheap and/or readily available raw materials. This can take a LONG time and involve quite a bit of cost in terms of manpower and materials in case it's a really tricky problem.

    AND.... we don't know that that's the case here. Like I said, even we're quite divided on what the problem might be, so you can be sure the factory is doing some head-scratching on this too (if in fact they're working on the problem).

    Give them some time and consider the possibility that they're trying to fix the problem correctly. That may not be the case (and I sure won't defend them if so), but it's equally likely that it is.....

    LS

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/1/2003 11:54:32 AM   
    adrian-RCU



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    lucien - if it's going to take long why still sell us the bad engines in the mean time. they should make a poll on how many good planes have gone down with the fx not working or whilst we sort out their problems.

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/1/2003 11:50:32 PM   
    randy10926


     

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    Just replace the carb on my OS 91FX with a Perry 4501S. Also redid the feul lines from the clunk to the carb. No every thing works get no matter the attitude on the model!!

    Randy

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 1:03:57 AM  1 votes
    FLYBOY



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    I am running a stock muffler. I am going to send it to the manager of Hobbico on Monday and see what they come up with. I don't know what else to do with it. We will see what they say.

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 2:29:19 AM   
    lucien


     

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by adrian
    lucien - if it's going to take long why still sell us the bad engines in the mean time. they should make a poll on how many good planes have gone down with the fx not working or whilst we sort out their problems. [/QUOTE]

    Heh. You won't get any argument out of me on that one . I agree they should recall it or stop selling it if in fact they really have found a problem with it for which they don't yet have a fix.

    For what it's worth, we go through this exact same thing all the time in full scale too. Someone will come out with a motor, put it on the market and start selling it, all without having done any real flight testing of it.

    Then guys start having engine-outs, putting down in farmers' corn fields, ditches and roads and stuff. They then try to get support from the guys who sold them the motor and all they get is answering machines and stuff like this.....

    Lots of time/money gets wasted and even injuries/death results from time to time.

    In the end, the ones who support their motors and fix problems found in the field wind up being the most popular. For example, Rotax is pretty much the only big player in the really giant scale gasser market these days. Their motors fly and fly and Rotax has tended to fix problems down through the years. They support their motors with parts and so on, even though they charge an arm and a leg for them.

    They're a lot like OS really...

    So guess we'll just have to wait and see how they handle this issue with the .91fx.....

    LS

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 6:06:13 AM   
    2thelmt



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    So, does anyone have a solid reply from OS regarding this problem? I feel they owe me a properly running engine for the $$$ I spent.

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 8:50:22 AM  1 votes
    FLYBOY



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    I finally got an note back today from him. I am going to send mine to the manager himself and see if they can do anything with it. I will send it off Monday unless I am on a flight. I will let you know more when I hear from them. This sux. Never had this problem with any engine I have ever run in over 27 years and who knows how many engines.

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 8:53:23 AM  1 votes
    FLYBOY



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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by lucien
    Heh. You won't get any argument out of me on that one . I agree they should recall it or stop selling it if in fact they really have found a problem with it for which they don't yet have a fix.
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    From what I was told by them, they don't see it as a problem. They said out of all the engines they sell, very few ever come back. Either people don't send them back, they don't tell OS they are having a problem, or they just **** about it and do nothing. I think everyone having the problem should send them in and see what happens.

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 12:41:58 PM   
    Dave03B


     

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    Hasn't anyone contacted OS directly? If we all keep fixing them ourselves and struggling on with the 91fx, they won't know!

    Anyone like talking to companies????????????????? (OS)

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    What do you expect them to Say - Oh yes we know the 91 ... - 8/2/2003 7:09:48 PM   
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    I am sorry I have never heard of a company coming out and saying. “Yes we know it is a problem”, if they do that they would be asking to take back every 91 FX manufactured. I am sure they would never admit to this, too much liability. It is the same old response, "We have experienced a few issues but nothing major" Which is probably true, unless you are one of the unlucky people that had a Ford Explorer roll over on them. Then you have a problem! IMO Ford did do the right thing and replaced the tires and I own another Ford product now.

    As I see it I spend 4-5K per year on this hobby (Type quietly so wife does not see). I will steer my $$ clear of OS. MANY other good options. It just takes a few guys like us to spread the good word about a company. I sure wish TT had more engine models.

    Thanks

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 7:28:53 PM   
    jcattera


     

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    Well, I was considering on buying another OS Max engine, actually, the OS .91FX for the Vector Flight Extra 300S 66 ARF that I ordered this week, but after hearing all the negative about the OS .91FX engine on these boards here I think I am really going to lean towards getting a Magnum .91 XLS for $149.99.

    I called Hobby services at 217-398-0007 and they told me they fixed the problem on the OS .91FX 1 year ago by changing the O-Ring. Not sure if that really fixed the problem since I keep hearing the problem over and over. But then, I hear some people never had a problem?

    I really wanted to get the OS Max .91FX, as I've been a loyal supporter of OS Engines for over 10 years now. Actually, I have a 10 year old OS Max .61 SF in my Great Planes Dirty Birdy patter plane that still runs perfectly.

    Comments/Advice?? Thanks in advance.

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 9:03:46 PM   
    Dave03B


     

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    I'm still going to go for the 91fx and make my mind up for myselfI think.
    Yes quite a few complaints about this engine on this forum, however, many at my club fly this perectly with no trouble.

    So It's a case of take the plunge or not?

    Good luck

    Dave

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 10:06:33 PM   
    SMALLFLY-



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    upon request I am posting a pic of the silicone tube that seals the needle on my 91fx.

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/2/2003 10:17:04 PM   
    Dave03B


     

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    Is that all that is needed for smooth running?
    Also can I put a 91 box silencer on my 91fx?
    Will it affect anything?

    Dave

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    Another wasted evening with the OS 91FX - 8/3/2003 1:48:16 AM   
    Andre


     

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    With the K&B remote needle mounted to the fire wall the OS.90 Fx runs like it first did. Andre

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    os 91 in U-CAN-DO - 8/3/2003 4:01:28 AM   
    wdgreen


     

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    My OS 91 FX runs great untill about 1/2 tank. Oversized fuel lines and tubing, Side mount, no leaks. Jett muffler. Bought a perry pump to try will let you know.

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