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New warbird ballancing material - 6/28/2010 3:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		My brother and I have found a new material for balancing these war birds, and would like to find a few bata testers for it for some feedback. We call it 'Steel Powder' for now. It is very fine, almost like talcum powder, and when mixed with 30 minute epoxy, makes a very heavy paste that is easily poured or brushed in the front of your cowl or anywhere you want more weight. Nice thing is it also adds great strength to whatever it is applied to. Because you can get it right up behind the prop, it takes less weight to balance. I think it is a also a great alternative to working with led.

Here is a picture of it inside our P-47 cowl.

I plan to ship it via USPS in their flat rate boxes. All we ask is the shipping for these bata tests.

Please PM or email me if you would like to try some of the stuff.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/28/2010 5:29 PM   
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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/29/2010 2:22 AM   
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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/29/2010 3:49 AM   
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My brother and I have found a new material for balancing these war birds, and would like to find a few bata testers for it for some feedback. We call it 'Steel Powder' for now. It is very fine, almost like talcum powder, and when mixed with 30 minute epoxy, makes a very heavy paste that is easily poured or brushed in the front of your cowl or anywhere you want more weight. Nice thing is it also adds great strength to whatever it is applied to. Because you can get it right up behind the prop, it takes less weight to balance. I think it is a also a great alternative to working with led.

Here is a picture of it inside our P-47 cowl.

I plan to ship it via USPS in their flat rate boxes. All we ask is the shipping for these bata tests.

Please PM or email me if you would like to try some of the stuff.

Gary

This kind of activity has baffled me for years, why not just get larger batteries and add usable weight? Does this make too much sense?

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/29/2010 5:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because for giant scale warbirds most often we need pounds of weight up front in order to balance. And when I say up front I mean forward of the fire wall. Now how big a battery pack do you know that weighs at least 2 pounds and would fit forward of the fire wall. Yes there are times a bigger battery just behind the fire wall would do the trick. Try doing that with a 85 inch Bearcat or 100 inch AT6.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/29/2010 6:40 AM   
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My brother and I have found a new material for balancing these war birds, and would like to find a few bata testers for it for some feedback. We call it 'Steel Powder' for now. It is very fine, almost like talcum powder, and when mixed with 30 minute epoxy, makes a very heavy paste that is easily poured or brushed in the front of your cowl or anywhere you want more weight. Nice thing is it also adds great strength to whatever it is applied to. Because you can get it right up behind the prop, it takes less weight to balance. I think it is a also a great alternative to working with led.

Here is a picture of it inside our P-47 cowl.

I plan to ship it via USPS in their flat rate boxes. All we ask is the shipping for these bata tests.

Please PM or email me if you would like to try some of the stuff.

Gary

This kind of activity has baffled me for years, why not just get larger batteries and add usable weight? Does this make too much sense?

What are you suggesting, led acid car batteries? The amount of weight we are talking about (as much as 6lbs or more) on the average giant scale war bird is not possible with the high tech A123 or similar batteries. I know that even the old NiCads don't weight enough, and where do you pack them anyway? Packed around a hot engine? Not sure why you are so baffled at our new solution.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/29/2010 6:45 AM   
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I'll try it, how do I go about obtaining it?

Just PM me with you mailing info and how much you would like (I will have it in 5lb bags), and I'll put a package together for you. Again, we are not charging for the material at this time. Just need the shipping covered. I know you guys will love this stuff.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/30/2010 4:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		May need some for my 102" ME109. Only using a Sachs 3.2 up front. How much of this stuff do you have. It would also come in handy for 1 1/2"x10" weight sacks for building wings. Help keep the wing flat on the table.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/30/2010 8:08 AM   
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May need some for my 102'' ME109. Only using a Sachs 3.2 up front. How much of this stuff do you have. It would also come in handy for 1 1/2''x10'' weight sacks for building wings. Help keep the wing flat on the table.

We are looking into getting it by the 55 gal drum. That would be over 3000lbs of the stuff!!! I have about 50lbs on hand right now. About 30lbs is spoken for I think. I used about 6.5 lbs in the nose of the P-47.

I never thought of using it for building weight, but you are right. It would be just the ticket. Just a small sandwich bag full makes a heck of a weight. It could be poured into empty paint jars or such as well.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/30/2010 8:25 AM   
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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/30/2010 8:54 AM   
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As far as the lead shots, it has been outlawed in NY. Meaning... you cant go into a gun shop and buy this stuff anymore.



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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 6/30/2010 3:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		HEY RAM , what is the cost per sack ill take a half dozen for a good price plus shipping my mulligan is also lacking tail weight. thanks neville

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 7/1/2010 1:59 AM   
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HEY RAM , what is the cost per sack ill take a half dozen for a good price plus shipping my mulligan is also lacking tail weight. thanks neville

Hey Nevell, we are not selling it yet. Just giving a supply out to get some feedback. I'd like to send you a bag or two to try. Shipping is $5.25 for a 5lb bag, or $11 for 10lbs in the medium box.

We are working on a price base. I'll be mailing some out and be looking for some comments on it's use.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 7/1/2010 11:16 PM   
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This sounds great, I would like about 5 lbs and would be glad to pay you for it. My email is spitfireluckyb@yahoo.com. Contact me and we can exchange info.
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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 7/2/2010 9:51 AM   
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Bring some to the Multi-Fly if you make it this year?

You will be very popular


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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 7/3/2010 1:19 AM   
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Bring some to the Multi-Fly if you make it this year?

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Great idea. I wouldn't have thought to. In fact, I think we will take some to every war bird event we attend. Thanks.

Yes, I very much want to come. We now have a B-25 to fly with the P-38.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 7/7/2010 3:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Update. I have (4) 5lb boxes shipped out to those who have sent in the $5.25 shipping cost. Thank you for trying the stuff. To others that have shown interest, please be patient while I hook up with you via PM or email. Trying to sort out RCU handles and emails etc.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 3/12/2011 7:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just used the Steel Powder to add nose weight to KMP Corsair and I am very pleased with it. I made a container out of balsa using Ca glue. I then mixed the 30 minute epoxy in a paper cut then thinned it. I kept adding the powder and stiring it until I had a thick mixture. I then placed it in my balsa box making sure I had no air pockets. After the mixture cured I sanded away the balsa on my belt sander then sanded it to the final shape. Each block weighs around 5 ounces.
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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 3/12/2011 8:17 PM   
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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 3/12/2011 9:09 PM   
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I just used the Steel Powder to add nose weight to KMP Corsair and I am very pleased with it. I made a container out of balsa using Ca glue. I then mixed the 30 minute epoxy in a paper cut then thinned it. I kept adding the powder and stiring it until I had a thick mixture. I then placed it in my balsa box making sure I had no air pockets. After the mixture cured I sanded away the balsa on my belt sander then sanded it to the final shape. Each block weighs around 5 ounces.
Have good one,
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Nice work Tom. You are the first one I have seen use it that way. Very cool. Glad it worked so well for you, and thanks for posting your experience. It has to be nice not to need a smelting pot.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 3/12/2011 9:10 PM   
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I'll give some a try. Sent you a PM.

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Got your PM and sent you a reply. Thanks for trying it.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 3/13/2011 1:48 AM   
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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 3/13/2011 3:34 AM   
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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 3/13/2011 4:54 AM   
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How does the weight/volume compare to lead, tungsten or steel? I've been using tungsten powder for years, but it's pricey....just curious to get an idea of the volume comparion between the materials.

Good question, so I did some testing and here is what I can show you.

As you can see, the lead strips from Great Planes weighs 5.4 oz. I then fill a plastic cup to 5.4 oz of Steel Powder. You can see that the volume is very comparable. Because the powder is so fine, it is very dense and heavy. It also mixes with the epoxy for the same reason.

It is actually steel powder, hence the name.

By the way, the 5.4 oz, as you can see, cost me $4.99 plus tax. That means that for 7lbs of it, you would pay $103.50, plus tax. We ask $15 for the same amount of Steel Powder.

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RE: New warbird ballancing material - 3/13/2011 5:22 AM   
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