Mini40 multihulls future development route?!
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Mini40 multihulls future development route?!
Since yesterday - Friday 03/07/2010 - the so far biggest rc-multihullmeeting is happening in Germany!
19 (!) cats and tris are there!
What can we learn from them - and what new trends in design and handling will come out of this event?
19 (!) cats and tris are there!
What can we learn from them - and what new trends in design and handling will come out of this event?
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RE: Mini40 multihulls future development route?!
Hi all RC-Multihull-Enthusiasts,
as far as I was able to find out, only KAMPAI 26 took part with his RT65 Trimaran,
which is - at least - BASED on my selfbuildingplans.
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But the MINI40-Class is much more popular in AUSTRIA and GERMANY:
1. Karl Schmidt (AUT 07) is the most experienced race sailor with his purple/yellow trimaran.
2. Eric Gielen (Aut 33) sails the last "Nightmare Mk.VII" , which I built together with him in 2007.
The sails are made by Karl and Eric continues his "apprenticeship" as a race sailor guided by Karl.
We could discuss for years how much influence the man on the sticks has regarding the performance of his boat - but IĀ“m sure if both would change the boats, Karl would still win!
- and in the end the second place overall for Eric Gielen isnĀ“t that bad - right? -
As you may remember, I had to retire due to health problems,
so I was unable to join them - but in my mind IĀ“m still with them.
So far no Austrian or German sailor has completed a "Nightmare MkVIII",
but I know of several under construction! -
2M-Class:
This year there where 6 (!) 2M-Trimarans there - and they did their own races!
Even 4 french guys showed up with their boats -
And only GERD RASCH and ANDREAS HEILWAGEN where from Germany.
Unfortunately NO Austrians are sailing 2M-Tris currently!
Eric Gielen has discontinued building his 2M-Tri he started together with me -
and also no progress on the other 2M tri I started with a customer from Lower Austria - itĀ“s really a shame!
I provided them with all knowledge needed, but as said before since 2007 I was unable to continue -
- except as a technical consultant. ItĀ“s really up to them now.
Ernst Zemann/Idealist/Disabled
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Re: Mini40 multihulls future development route?!
A first set of pictures and comments are here - much more to come during the next days:
http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showt...=178822&page=5
Also videos will be online shortly!
as far as I was able to find out, only KAMPAI 26 took part with his RT65 Trimaran,
which is - at least - BASED on my selfbuildingplans.
________________________________________
But the MINI40-Class is much more popular in AUSTRIA and GERMANY:
1. Karl Schmidt (AUT 07) is the most experienced race sailor with his purple/yellow trimaran.
2. Eric Gielen (Aut 33) sails the last "Nightmare Mk.VII" , which I built together with him in 2007.
The sails are made by Karl and Eric continues his "apprenticeship" as a race sailor guided by Karl.
We could discuss for years how much influence the man on the sticks has regarding the performance of his boat - but IĀ“m sure if both would change the boats, Karl would still win!
- and in the end the second place overall for Eric Gielen isnĀ“t that bad - right? -
As you may remember, I had to retire due to health problems,
so I was unable to join them - but in my mind IĀ“m still with them.
So far no Austrian or German sailor has completed a "Nightmare MkVIII",
but I know of several under construction! -
2M-Class:
This year there where 6 (!) 2M-Trimarans there - and they did their own races!
Even 4 french guys showed up with their boats -
And only GERD RASCH and ANDREAS HEILWAGEN where from Germany.
Unfortunately NO Austrians are sailing 2M-Tris currently!
Eric Gielen has discontinued building his 2M-Tri he started together with me -
and also no progress on the other 2M tri I started with a customer from Lower Austria - itĀ“s really a shame!
I provided them with all knowledge needed, but as said before since 2007 I was unable to continue -
- except as a technical consultant. ItĀ“s really up to them now.
Ernst Zemann/Idealist/Disabled
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Re: Mini40 multihulls future development route?!
A first set of pictures and comments are here - much more to come during the next days:
http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showt...=178822&page=5
Also videos will be online shortly!
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Hello Forum,
this is my first post (and most likely also my last one). I wanted to comment on this statement from Idealist a little:
this is my first post (and most likely also my last one). I wanted to comment on this statement from Idealist a little:
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ORIGINAL: egi1610
Secondly the statement ''which I built together with him in 2007'' is HIGHLY missleading. Ernst, remember, you did the hulls, to be precise the half hulls. This was indeed quite some work and it took us some time in the heat of your house to get them done, but this is far away from building a boat! This is the reason why I stopped to work with you. Your selfconfidence and your view of reality is so much blurred that I have to wonder.
As such Idealist don't take it personal but you didn't build the boat with me, you made the hulls, everything else was then onwards after huge issues with your health and condition completed by me with the help of Karl.
Eric alias egi 1610
Secondly the statement ''which I built together with him in 2007'' is HIGHLY missleading. Ernst, remember, you did the hulls, to be precise the half hulls. This was indeed quite some work and it took us some time in the heat of your house to get them done, but this is far away from building a boat! This is the reason why I stopped to work with you. Your selfconfidence and your view of reality is so much blurred that I have to wonder.
As such Idealist don't take it personal but you didn't build the boat with me, you made the hulls, everything else was then onwards after huge issues with your health and condition completed by me with the help of Karl.
Eric alias egi 1610
just to get that straigth -
From the beginning I was my intention to TEACH you boatbuilding, not be be/become your labourer, servant or slave.
So of course you had to complete it yourself.
Therefore I can give that back to you:
"Your view of reality is so much blurred that I have to wonder!"
But this seems to be a part of the arrogance of many technical engineers -...-
you didnĀ“t like to become dirty and sweaty because of actual physical work -
you wanted someone else to do that for you.
This was the reason why I had to stop to work with you.
Idealist
I donĀ“t do what others expect me to do - I do what I expect of myself!
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This is great news that the multi is still alive and that such events are being organised.
I enjoyed the video and the pics - and really miss not being able to sail one of these multi right now...
Although since I came to Ireland over 16 years ago I haven't raced multi and I miss it hugely - my old faithful Cobra (french design) is grand and look ok but a heavy built and lack of forward volume in the floats really limits her potential. And my replica of Jet Services IV is great on the eye but not a racing machine. So for the past 6 years or so my rc activity has been in rebuilding a RC sailing activity here in Ireland. Our boat is the IOM class : small, not too expensive and very competitive.
I have to say that the most extreme rc sailing has to be with no doubt the rc multi - the delicate combination of acceleration, speed, distance and avoiding to capsize are essential in winning races. Having the right boat and sails to power it must also be good. In no other RC sailing class I have felt these element to be so prominent. I miss the endurance race we use to have in France like the 5 hours of angers and somewhere else I can't remember in Iles de france.
And it is the the contribution of designers and builders such as Ernst - and other passionate that this magnificant class is kept alive.
Unfortunately I don't have the boat building skills I need to build such beautiful boats as those which took part in this event. And to help overcome my fear of building a titanic type of boat i surf the forums in search of ideas and inspiration. I have already built a tri of my own design based on my learnings from racing them a few years back - made of styrofoam but it never saw a starting line or even water as acetone got the best of one of my float and the second broke during a fall on the snow as I was bringing it home to work on it. Maybe some day I'll have the money and the time and will power to start again - But my building skills are quite a good bit behind my sailing skills and I have a great project in mind to use a 2m here for an event with the aim of promoting RC Sailing in this country if you know of a good platform (to sail on the sea) at a very modest price - let me know. I don't need rigs, sails or electrics I'll be able to add / build them to them myself.
Anyway it's great to see events such as this race taking place and gathering skippers from few countries to race together... well done to the organisers and skippers.
I enjoyed the video and the pics - and really miss not being able to sail one of these multi right now...
Although since I came to Ireland over 16 years ago I haven't raced multi and I miss it hugely - my old faithful Cobra (french design) is grand and look ok but a heavy built and lack of forward volume in the floats really limits her potential. And my replica of Jet Services IV is great on the eye but not a racing machine. So for the past 6 years or so my rc activity has been in rebuilding a RC sailing activity here in Ireland. Our boat is the IOM class : small, not too expensive and very competitive.
I have to say that the most extreme rc sailing has to be with no doubt the rc multi - the delicate combination of acceleration, speed, distance and avoiding to capsize are essential in winning races. Having the right boat and sails to power it must also be good. In no other RC sailing class I have felt these element to be so prominent. I miss the endurance race we use to have in France like the 5 hours of angers and somewhere else I can't remember in Iles de france.
And it is the the contribution of designers and builders such as Ernst - and other passionate that this magnificant class is kept alive.
Unfortunately I don't have the boat building skills I need to build such beautiful boats as those which took part in this event. And to help overcome my fear of building a titanic type of boat i surf the forums in search of ideas and inspiration. I have already built a tri of my own design based on my learnings from racing them a few years back - made of styrofoam but it never saw a starting line or even water as acetone got the best of one of my float and the second broke during a fall on the snow as I was bringing it home to work on it. Maybe some day I'll have the money and the time and will power to start again - But my building skills are quite a good bit behind my sailing skills and I have a great project in mind to use a 2m here for an event with the aim of promoting RC Sailing in this country if you know of a good platform (to sail on the sea) at a very modest price - let me know. I don't need rigs, sails or electrics I'll be able to add / build them to them myself.
Anyway it's great to see events such as this race taking place and gathering skippers from few countries to race together... well done to the organisers and skippers.