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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/25/2003 6:55:37 AM   
skip madison


 

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Status: offline 		You taxi out to 3A. Entrance to 16 and you roll left and then right full stop on the yoke. Yes... the ailerons are working. Then you pop the spoilers just in case you may need them if you abort the take-off. How many times have you seen this either in the left hand seat or right hand seat or in the cabin before take off.
Now see yourself as a RC pilot turning onto the runway at your favorite RC field...powering down the runway in your $12.000 jet on your maiden flight and discovering at V1 that your ailerons are reversed. Yes it happened at the basin. I know that this must be a frightening experiance, but one of the most basic left or right seat duties is to check the control services before departure. It is nearly second nature for those who have read or studied or performed the many duties of a full-scale pilot. I think the point of all this is the importance of following protocol. Even for those who may not have the full scale skills, money or time. It is a necessary ingredient and even RC'ers may benefit by taking a good luck at how it's done in the world of full scale. It may just save you thousands.
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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/25/2003 7:08:50 AM   
747drvr



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Status: offline 		I agree . Far too many aircraft are lost due to entirely avoidable causes. If only people would have a little discipline a lot of these crashes could be prevented. 99.9% of the time I very deliberately check my flight controls before each flight. This is even if I haven't changed models. I see too many people give the sticks a quick wiggle and blast off. We have far too much money and time tied up in our aircraft to not take this disciplined and professional approach. Maybe I'm a little too uptight about this but it's been a fundamental process in my vocation where the stakes are a little higher.

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/25/2003 7:29:55 AM   
pdmarsh



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Status: offline 		With today's programmable radios, and with servo reversing switches right on the front, I think it is more critical than ever to check throw direction before every flight, which I do. I also just learned something about such radios. When I turned on my transmitter a few weeks ago I got a "memory error" message. All of my settings were gone. After checking with the manufacturer, I learned that the internal back-up battery has to be replaced every four to five years. If I had programmed in a reversal, I believe I would have lost that setting. As it is, I lost all of my trim and dual-rate settings. I could still fly, but I had to be extra careful until the trims were reset.

Paul

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/25/2003 7:38:49 AM   
skip madison


 

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Status: offline 		A thumbs up to the equipment and understanding how it functions is also part of the head ups check list! Most new radios require at least 3 moves of your finger to get into a program, to change something and get out of the program...I hope that people are getting out of the program before the flight....right?? Touch screens are dangerous if you don't exit out of them....

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/25/2003 9:13:45 AM   
Gordon Mc



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Status: offline 		A lot of people just check that the controls moved when asked, and don't double-check the direction.

About 15 years ago I had a close call when I first started using a "modern" radio that had different model setups in it. I neglected to change the model in the TX back to the correct one, started my model up, wiggled the sticks, and then carried the model out to teh runway (ground too rough to taxi).

I opened the throttle wide and the model went veering off to the right; I hit right rudder and the model went even further right towards my flying buddies. Fortunately some subconcious response took over and I killed the engine, hammered the rudder the other way, and pulled the retracts up to prevent the model reaching anyone.

Turned out I was using the wrong model selection and only the rudder was reversed. That day convinced me to do a full control check before every single flight, and my subsequent RAF training for full-scale flying further hammered it home how important it is to check this kind of stuff before every single flight.

One of the key things for me, is to pick some single point to do the checks every time, so that it becomes rote.

Gordon

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/26/2003 2:16:10 AM   
Terry Holston



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Status: offline 		Yeah, and you wanna do your check while not talking to some one else, (so you can concentrate on what you see!!!)

I did a check a few years ago on one of my students Xtr. (It was fine the day before.) I took off and the plane gently rolled to the left. I rolled right and it went more to the left!!!! I then rolled to the right and low and behold it straighten up. I proceded to make the circuit and land while concentrating on reversed ail inputs. I then set up and landed using the rudder only.

Another testamonial for operational rudder!

Saved another students airplane, one time when his elevator departed the airframe, too. But that's another story. Ha Ha

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/26/2003 5:02:41 AM   
dean apostal


 

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Status: offline 		Terry turn the transmitter upside down and fly the ailerons with your left hand they will then match your brain imputs.. It works. Elevator stays normal but don't touch the rudder as it will be reversed. Dean

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/26/2003 5:20:20 AM   
Gordon Mc



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Status: offline 		Funniest "reversed controls" story I've ever encountered happened at the club I flew at until recently.

A guy is flying his airplane around, doing fine with left hand turns, but absolutely screwing up his right hand turns.

"Hey Jerry", he calls out to the club VP - "Something is wrong with my airplane. Come out with me and help me figure it out". So the guy takes off and demonstrates the poor right hand turn then hands the TX to Jerry.

"Shoot - your ailerons are backwards!" yells Jerry. "Here - take it back. You've obviously been flying by reflexes only, not caring which way is which, so you actually have a better chance of bringing this thing back than I do".

However, the fact that he now knows the ailerons are reversed scares our guy to the point where he won't take the TX back. "I know what... " he says, "the reverse swicthes in this radio are in the back of the radio - you keep flying around up high just now and I'll take tha battery cover off and correct the direction".

So the guy kneels down in front of Jerry and removes the battery cover. At this point you may realise that the visual that the rest of us are getting looks kinda like what was happening to Commandant Lassard at the lectern in Police Academy : . Anyway, back to the guy who has the back off the radio by now. "Uhhh.... I wonder if ailerons are channel 1 ? Maybe 2 ? How about 3? - here - it's this one".

"NOooooooooo !!!" yells Jerry - "you just reversed the elevators too - now I have no idea how to fly this thing!".

After a few more trail & error flicking of switches, and howls of dismay from Jerry as he was met with the latest misconfiguration, the correct combination was finally arrived at, and the plane was landed safely but it still took a while longer for Jerry's hearbeat to return to normal.

Gordon

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/26/2003 6:11:27 AM   
Terry Holston



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by dean apostal
Terry turn the transmitter upside down and fly the ailerons with your left hand they will then match your brain imputs.. It works. Elevator stays normal but don't touch the rudder as it will be reversed. Dean [/QUOTE]


HUH????? seems to me the antenna would poke ya ????? with the TX upside down. Naaaa, just use the rudder. LOL

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/26/2003 6:12:29 AM   
ghost_rider



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Terry Holston
Yeah, and you wanna do your check while not talking to some one else, (so you can concentrate on what you see!!!)

I did a check a few years ago on one of my students Xtr. (It was fine the day before.) I took off and the plane gently rolled to the left. I rolled right and it went more to the left!!!! I then rolled to the right and low and behold it straighten up. I proceded to make the circuit and land while concentrating on reversed ail inputs. I then set up and landed using the rudder only.

Another testamonial for operational rudder!

Saved another students airplane, one time when his elevator departed the airframe, too. But that's another story. Ha Ha [/QUOTE]

Hmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/26/2003 8:08:59 PM   
dean apostal


 

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Status: offline 		Terry,

You don't turn the antenna toward you ...just flip the radio 180 degrees over and fly the ailerons and elevator with your left hand.Throttle only with your right..... In fact if you were flying with reversed ailerons and you did what you just said the ailerons would still be wrong. Think about it. It helps if you sing and tap with the respective foot. "This is my left foot...this is my right foot.....repeat 8 times..... Dean

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/27/2003 12:08:20 AM   
Terry Holston



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by dean apostal
Terry,

You don't turn the antenna toward you ...just flip the radio 180 degrees over and fly the ailerons and elevator with your left hand.Throttle only with your right..... In fact if you were flying with reversed ailerons and you did what you just said the ailerons would still be wrong. Think about it. It helps if you sing and tap with the respective foot. "This is my left foot...this is my right foot.....repeat 8 times..... Dean [/QUOTE]

That's what I thought. But what does my feet have to do with it?? LOL


Rudder is STILL easier. Ha Ha

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/27/2003 9:19:28 AM   
dean apostal


 

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Status: offline 		Terry, must I explain this???? It's a coordination tool children use to access their inner.....ahhhhh rudders easier................!

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Yes the ailerons are roliing! - 7/29/2003 7:46:05 AM   
Terry Holston



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by dean apostal
.....ahhhhh rudders easier................! [/QUOTE]


That's what I've been trying to tell ya.....HaHa

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