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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 7/30/2012 10:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice fit with engmounts drilled to 1/4 inch.   Looks like there won't be any need to trim the mounts to run the engine back a tad.   More will be determined when I can mount the cowl over the engine,

I made some patterns and transferred some engine data to them to act as a template for hole drilling.   Now I've the cowl opened up but can't get the cowl over theengine without enlarging the cutouts.   Played with it most of theafternoon to no avail and it looks like I'll have to split the cowl horizontally as I did with my 1/4 scale Concept.   It will make it easier to fashion some cooling baffling about the engine so I'll have some warm fuzzies some where.

I used a flashlight to help with locating the lines for cutting.   I forgot to mark the needlevalve and choke arm...alas.

I just love that engine.  Lots of room for a throttle servo and , if needed, batteries for the onboard glow.   If there is anything one can learn building a 1/3rd scaler is there is room for everything with plenty of flexibility where it can go.

Ahe AN 4s are drilled for a cotter key if anyone was wondering.  

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 8/3/2012 2:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Near final trimming of the cowl around the engine.   Still a place or two to remove to make room for the exhaust pipes that will collect together inside and then ported out the bottom.

Carb didn't quite match up as I wished but it is what it is.  I also trimmed the engine back about 3/16 inch.  Those Cessna nose gear bushings are really tuff steel to grind. 

I'm thinking a remote choke linkage rearward and would like to put the needle valve on a spring extension.   I used them alot in the C/L days and don't think I've seen them lately.  Anyone got a lead on one?

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 8/11/2012 2:22 AM   
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Panel switches and panel complete.   Two switches for rx batteries and one switch for the on board glow.   I called an audible at the line when a graph in the onboard lighter brouchure detailed that a 2000MaH battery should be sufficient for low speed regime and starting and I could expect an hour from one battery.   Sooo, I put the 3 position lever lock asside and just wired up a single battery and we'll see how that plays.  

Gages are some old JTek stuff laying about and the lettering is 1/8 rub off I found at Michaels arts and crafts store.  What a find. 

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 8/12/2012 2:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Ray, looks like a well planned out build. I too love biplanes but I'm afraid I'm going to have someone else build out my BUSA Stearman, just no time but I do so want one. I'll borrow Noah's radial to fly it. Smile. Chic

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 8/12/2012 3:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks for the kind words.  I, too, love bipes but they can be lots of work in the wing alignment dept.   My eye keeps track of where my balsa dust covered Sierra retracts lay so the TBF is never far from mind.  

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 8/19/2012 10:45 PM   
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Two days worth of off and on with the fuel tank installation.   32oz layed in foam and then plated to 1/4 inch ply with tending rubber bands.   Worse part was having to insure that the fuel tank's position is as close to center carb as possible.  Lots of lay out lines and the old saw... measure twice, cut once.   I measured countless times and still held my breath until the epoxied rails set up.   Seems all the work payed off.

Began to fill in the fuse places with solid balsa blocks cut to fit. 

Firewall painted black over the thinned epoxy and throttle servo mounted.   I've never put a servo outside the fuse before but I see it in more and more applications soooo... 

Lastly, broke out the Benz torches and read up on my metal bending techiques.   Bending 1/4 inch steel rod is just too much for my old elbows and KS bender so I annealed the places where the bends will be and they worked out good so far.   Plans are to braze the connections without any copper wrapping as I think the copper will melt before brazing temp is reached.   I would love to hear of anyones take on that.  

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 8/24/2012 10:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bending up some landing gear.  Main struts are 1/4 medium steel or what ever K&S puts out at the hobby store.   With the old bender, I quickly realized I needed to soften up the steel if I were to bend it.

Areas of bends marked with a felt pen and then heated to very red and allowed to cool to room temp on its own.   The bends were much more tame. 

After assembly, bends were heated back up and quenched to gather some stregnth back.   My bronze brazing got better with practice.   Anything less than MAPP gas just wouldn't heat up enough with the thickness of the wire. 

The jig was carefully fashioned and the first gear looked real good.  Then.... put to the fuse to see my skill and voila!   I dropped an inch somewhere in the measure twice cut once senerio.

Adjustments made to the gear jig and the fist drag wire cut loose and joints cleaned up.   I weighed using the same gear leg but it would require some adjusting in length that just didn't look good.   So.... a new one was built up and fit much better than the first one.   More bazing and quenching and she fits real nice.

Some of the extra wire you may notice is rubber banded together and apply compression to the joint to be brazed.  

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 8/27/2012 9:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sitting upright and on it's own pins...temporarily that is.   I couldn't get the wheels to fit smoothly on the 1/4 axles.  I drilled 1/4 inch through on the drill press but it was most snug.  Not the rolling snug I was wanting so I worked some pumice and water with a 1/4 drill rod but it helped only so much.

Corrected to 17/64 drill and very small amount of slop but acceptible.  Now , on to drilling some wheel colars to 17/64.  May have to go buy a machine vise for the drill press.

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/8/2012 8:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		covering in progress.   Sig Koverall and Randolphs dope and color.  I haven't covered a bird in years and my mistakes make proof.  After a few hours or re-aquainting my self to doping, I got the hang of it back.   Big problem around the wing filet.   I cut the Koverall to fit the 1/4 balsa but when I applied heat to shrink the fabric, it came loose and shrank nearly off the parimeter.   Pics show the issue and how I added another 4 hours of correction.  

As soon as I am happy with the overall covering, doping will begin with a full 1 1/2 inch brush and thinned buty at 50/40/10 %.   The 10% is retarder and that may be upped a bit as our South Carolina Summers into Fall are legendary with heat and humidity.

Thank Gawd for Balsarite and fabric irons.

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/16/2012 1:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fuse covered, doped, taping applied and some test coats of yellow done.  The next paint will be sprayed in a auto booth a friend lets me at.

Tailwheel reinstalled and cabling hooked up.  Landing gear fairing installed (1/4 balsa sheet) and fiberglassed with 3/4 oz and Z-Poxy,.

This is my first time with Z-Poxy laminating and must say it is a nice product but quite expensive.  It sanded well and that was a big suprise.  Until now, I've always used 30 min epoxy thinned with denatured alcohol and squeegied.   Using the lighter grade of fiberglass allowed more flexability around curves et.al.   The heavier variety gave me fits as it wanted to lift around corners and cause air pockets that needed to be filled later.

Simulated tape is medical stuff.  The 1 inch is good cotton stuff and the dope goes through the weave for a good bind.   The smaller (1/2) variety for rib and abrasion protection is water proof and is lousy as the dope wont go through as well if at all.  

Got my roundels and numbers online with GetStencils.  Fast work those folks.   Most helpful with color hues. 

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/18/2012 2:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Ray I used a steel wire wrap on my landing gear and cabanes in addition to silver brazing. The wire is most probably stainless, as it is non-magnetic. I had it in my tool box for about 40 years. No problems with it melting. I concentrated the heat on the music wire.

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/18/2012 1:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		You referring to "safety wire" or "lock wire"?

I bought a little tool that has two gas bottles and a rose bud nozzle.   O2 and Mapp gas mixed at the handnozzle.  

This is a different mfg but it's about the same thing.   According to all the tutorials I've seen, I should lay in a supply of O2 bottles.

http://www.worthingtonprograde.com/item.html?id=9

With some practice, I'll be able to weld wire down to 1/8 inch or so.


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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/18/2012 4:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ray, I'm pretty sure it is safety wire.

My propane works fine with silver brazing.

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/25/2012 3:50 PM   
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Looking at a potential problem with using old Super Coverite.   I have few rolls (once new) obtained in some trading.   I covered the fin, rudder, stab , and now ailerons.   All took butyrate well and is taught except the ailerons.   I knew the adheasive was old and loosing it's tack so I coated the frame with BalsaRite.  Shrinkin with heat gun or iron seemed weak and feable and within an hour, some sags were seen.  

Uh Oh!!

So, before I give in to recovering, I've coated twice with taughtening butyrate dope thinned well for some saturation.   This morning, less sag in spots so I heated it up again, coated again with buty and heated it.   Now, we'll see this afternoon if I should strip it off and go with something else.   I've a fresh role of solartex and more old coverite.  

Understood, however, I won't cover the wings with any iron on but will Sig Koverall and nitrate/butyrate the beauty for a nice thumb thumping reverb that will fine tune the exhaust note from the OS four stroker.   The fuselage is Koverall with dope and is quite firm and I don't think it will sag in the sun.  

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/25/2012 5:21 PM   
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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/28/2012 7:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was hoping that some wing covering could have been had by now but what the hey.

Bottom wings are prepped with balsarite and sanded but the top wing is giving me an exercise in sanding.   While the frame is all ready , the center spice just won't come together in a nice seam.  I've layed in some soft balsa sheet and sanded to fit but it has taken the most of the afternoon to see any progress.   Progress is being made however. 

I even gave a thought to glueing the halves together and not worry but it would be a huge wing and would fill up my trailer.

Fuse with first coat of color and looks good.   I'm still not happy with the "waterproof" medical tape.  The color has not adhered well to it.  

Ailerons , after 3 coats of clear buty has dialed in nicely and the old coverite will stay but the wings will still be Koverall.

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 9/30/2012 10:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got the top wing to come together with a pleasant near tight seam.  Took all night but what the hey????

covered the underside of a top wing.   The other 3 wings will get a second coat of Balsarite as the one coat seemed to be absorbed into the balsa leaving less to activate with the iron.

Tools of the trade is gun (not shown), temp calibrated iron, nice sharp scissors in two sizes (small and big) and carpet knife with new blades.  A word of caution, I've used these blades for years and they are as sharp or more sharp as a surgeons scalpel.   Keep fingers away and be aware of where your fingers are.  These blades are sharp enough to cut you deep and you won't know it until you wash your hands and the burning from soap begins...or...you fingers get sticky and when you look, its drying blood.

Around the fittings, I doubled up on covering.   To keep wrinkles to a minimum, I heat gunned around them to take up any slack as after the patch doublers are doped on, there is very little shrinkage left.



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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 10/4/2012 6:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, so far no stiches or nicks.   All wings covered and they are near the size of ironing boards.   Balsarite is an aide but sure doesn't eliminate the need to pay close attention to wing tips.   Still, thinned buty puts it down and complete dry is needed before continuing as the fresh dope may  loosen the earlier coats.

The double patches around the N strut and flying wire fittings are taking well and all the work before hand is paying off.

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 10/6/2012 8:05 PM   
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Covering completed and now on to the doping the weave.    Sucks up alot but that is OK. 

I started to cut some tapes for the wings , etc. and I'm got the old cutting wheel out and the new cutting mat and all seems easier than I thought.

In 20 or so minutes , I cut enough tapes to do 2 wings and 2 ailerons.   I got so infatuated I continued with the ailerons up to and including putting on the knots of RC56.  So far so good.

A problem arouse and I'm not sure how to correct it even if I will correct it at all.   As the fabric was shrunk down with the gun, the rib adjacent to the aileron deformed and leaves an unsightly bow.   I'll be danged if I will uncover and lay in a gusset so I've been thinking of a dowel inserted at an angle and glued in place.  May not make it look better but it won't bow any more than it is.

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Status: offline 		That bow is the reason I didn't use Koverall on my first Fleet. It did that in the wing servo box area so I removed it and settled on Nelson Lite Fab and now Solartex.

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 10/7/2012 1:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll go back some day and check the plans as I don't remember any gusset shown.   After 50+ years of building and flying models, you'd think I'd have added something in there as this is not my first rodeo.  

My guess is I saw the week link with plans to do something about it but .... forgot.   Cha!

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Status: offline 		The covering job is looking really nice, can't beat a real fabric covering job IMO.
I have used Koverall quite a bit and it will shrink more than any iron on covering out there and can distort a weak framework very easily if too much heat is applied. You must always reinforce end ribs, aileron bays and servo openings or they can get distorted.
The great thing about Koverall is you never need to reshrink the fabric once it is finished. I am constantly reshrinking the Solartex on my 1/3 Cub, it is getting stripped this winter and recovered with Koverall or Polyfibre-Lite.
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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 10/16/2012 5:36 PM   
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Figured out a remedy for the warp rib near the aileron.   I just used a custom made 5 ply rib and stuffed it with scrap then Titebonded to the warped wing rib.   Seems to have worked out.   I included a pic of the worse one.

Since, I've filled to weave on the top wings, appied simulated rib tape and fasteners, as ready for the the Yellow.   Interesting after hours of painting yellow, I can look away and for a moment see blue.   I'm growing weary of painting but the end product keeps me going.

I'm waiting for my Enya VT240 twin to be completed from the overhaul guys in CT.   I asked to have it as close to zero time as posible and looks like it will cost about....   enough.  It will find it's way back into the 1/4 scale Fleet and get some air time.

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RE: Ron Weiss 1/3 Fleet - 11/9/2012 12:06 AM   
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