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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/22/2010 9:13 PM   
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Someone stated that if you race in NASCAR you will eventually crash. I wonder how many of those guys racing accept that as a fact?


How many accept that as a fact? I would venture to guess 100%. They all wear helmets, right!?! They drive cars that are constructed with roll bars, right!?! They drive cars that are built to absorb the crash so the driver's body does not, right!?! Each team is heavily insured, right? Each team is prepared to react to a crash, right?

If not, don't you think it would be more comfortable without a helmet? Don't you think that roll bars add weight that you wouldn't need if you do not "plan" to crash? Don't you think that the elimination of that hefty insurance policy would add to the profits? Don't you think that they would spend less time and money if they didn't have to have a plan and emergency gear for a crash?

They do certainly accept that being in a crash is a very high probability, if not a "given". The only uncertainty is how bad of one.



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I really appreciate your post and it just goes to show that the person you were training did not accept crashing as part of "his" hobby



He didn't actually say that he didn't accept crashing as part of his hobby. He simply stated that he was determined not to crash on that flight. And who isn't? However, although positive thinking is great, you can't "will" a plane to right itself in those conditions. You have to make the right stick movements. You have control over that, sure. But even if you do everything "right" and do not "accept" crashing as part of your hobby, you'd better hope that the dust devil or wind thinks the same way. Which of course, is ridiculous.

There are too many factors outside of your control...or that you cannot reasonably account for. So, eventually, you will crash. So, if you meet someone who states that they flew for 100 years, made 600,000 flights and never had a crash, you have just met a liar.

Of course, some people don't consider that a "bad landing" is a crash. If a bad landing results in any damage, any parts falling out, nosing over of the plane, scraping of the wings, etc, then that is a crash.



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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/22/2010 10:11 PM   
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3) Steer 100% of the time. Some guys won't stear when they land and level the wings to the ground. Once they know it - they fix it.


Thanks for your detailed post, and also to the guys who responded on pre-flight checks. I learn heaps here and also enjoy the long posts....

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "Steer 100% of the time"? Do you mean get proficient with your rudder and use it? So for I mostly don't use rudder on landings but do on take offs and some turns.

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/22/2010 11:39 PM   
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AlmoAs we land, we must keep the air speed high enough to prevent stalling. Yet, without an air speed indicator, all we can do is judge the GROUND SPEED, since that is all we have. If, on top of all other problems, there is a severe crosswind and you choose to compensate by making the approach at some angle to the runway, your chances of stalling go thru the roof. Only with a computer can you do the trigonometry calculations required to adjust your air speed, based on the ground speed, to have any chance of making a safe landing.


Very good points. After all these planes fly just like the real ones but are just smaller. I wonder if some of the new fangled radios that have telemetry might some day have speed indicators. That would be interesting if we could actually learn our airspeed in relation to the plane desing when flying RC aircraft. That would introduce a whole new world when landing and could have the potential to give a feeling of flying from the cockpit!


One of the reasons why birds never crash.

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/22/2010 11:44 PM   
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AlmoAs we land, we must keep the air speed high enough to prevent stalling. Yet, without an air speed indicator, all we can do is judge the GROUND SPEED, since that is all we have. If, on top of all other problems, there is a severe crosswind and you choose to compensate by making the approach at some angle to the runway, your chances of stalling go thru the roof. Only with a computer can you do the trigonometry calculations required to adjust your air speed, based on the ground speed, to have any chance of making a safe landing.


Very good points. After all these planes fly just like the real ones but are just smaller. I wonder if some of the new fangled radios that have telemetry might some day have speed indicators. That would be interesting if we could actually learn our airspeed in relation to the plane desing when flying RC aircraft. That would introduce a whole new world when landing and could have the potential to give a feeling of flying from the cockpit!


One of the reasons why birds never crash.


No doubt, profound! Hey, don't some of those weird birds crash?

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/22/2010 11:50 PM   
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Hi Luchnia
You have had all types of comments in answer to your observation. Some of them have been very rude. The rude ones reflect more about that individual than about your observations. I support you 100%. Now please do me a courtesy: Please seek out my comments and read them till you feel you understand them. I feel strongly that crashing is part of our hobby, and give reasons to support that. I arrived at that conclusion after having literally hundreds of crashes over my 38 years in R/C flying, and I analyze every one of my crashes till I can conclude something. These reasons are physically valid. They are based on physics, trigonometry, geometry, and the limits of the human body/brain. Your observation might be more correct if it asked ''How do we manage to crash so few times''.


Villa, I will certainly re-read your posts for more understanding. I do enjoy your posts as they are very informative and I look forward to more from you

I wonder if the question on the subject of crashing might be better put, how can we minimize the risk of crashing? I know in my case experience would help me some more as I have only been flying about a year and a half. I am well pleased with my development to this point.

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/22/2010 11:54 PM   
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Crashing is not part of the this HOBBY


Why then do I see as much crashing as I have in this hobby? A number of people who've posted here have comment that they've had a reasonable number of crashes. When I go to the flying field (I'm in a recognized club), it is not unusual to see at least one member crash. This weekend I was at the field saturday and sunday. Saturday one crash (by an experienced pilot, not a beginner), Sunday no crashes. I've been there a number of days with no crashes but also days with one or more crashes.

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 12:05 AM   
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3) Steer 100% of the time. Some guys won't stear when they land and level the wings to the ground. Once they know it - they fix it.


Thanks for your detailed post, and also to the guys who responded on pre-flight checks. I learn heaps here and also enjoy the long posts....

Can you elaborate on what you mean by ''Steer 100% of the time''? Do you mean get proficient with your rudder and use it? So for I mostly don't use rudder on landings but do on take offs and some turns.


Just a note to thank everyone for the great very informative posts. I too have learned so much from folks on RCU. Think of the hundreds of years of shared experience here - a wealth of knowledge.

Everyone can share their experiences and whether or not we agree with crashing as part of the hobby or not we can certainly learn more and possibly minimalize the risks that occur and save a plane. That makes it worth it to me. Good flying to all

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 1:27 AM   
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Very good points. After all these planes fly just like the real ones but are just smaller. I wonder if some of the new fangled radios that have telemetry might some day have speed indicators. That would be interesting if we could actually learn our airspeed in relation to the plane desing when flying RC aircraft. That would introduce a whole new world when landing and could have the potential to give a feeling of flying from the cockpit!


One of the reasons why birds never crash.


No doubt, profound! Hey, don't some of those weird birds crash?


Some birds crash against human built structures and obstacles, but never against natural geography:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-_RHRAzUHM

Flight and crash probability change drastically when one can feel it with the five senses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlXDTFhCG9w&p=E66CBE0AB98C3141&playnext=1&index=65

Great thread, Luchnia; thanks!


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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 1:40 AM   
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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 2:52 AM   
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This may be just one of those age things but as I recall it happened even when I was younger. The dreaded brain fart!! Last week I had one. I couldn't remember or react to my plane when I saw the stripes on the wing, was it upside down or right side up?? I just cut power and pulled up to see what the plane did then reacted to it. Just another simple little thing but a brain freeze can happen to anyone. It was my favorite plane too and I would have hated to loos it. The colors are wrong for me, I'm color blind and the plane is orange and black, the top of the wing has some white on it so I'm usually in tune to that white stripe.


I have had that brain lapse thing a time or two and I hate that. Fortunately I have managed to get myself straightened out, but it is one weird feeling. Usually when it happens I stop and rest, maybe get some water or tea and just chill for a bit, then I am good to go.

I am only 56 years old. You just sort of go "space cadet" for a second or so. I certainly hope I don't have many of those, especially while flying the small Revolver WOT doing a low pass. That could quickly get real nasty

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 2:57 AM   
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Very good points. After all these planes fly just like the real ones but are just smaller. I wonder if some of the new fangled radios that have telemetry might some day have speed indicators. That would be interesting if we could actually learn our airspeed in relation to the plane desing when flying RC aircraft. That would introduce a whole new world when landing and could have the potential to give a feeling of flying from the cockpit!


One of the reasons why birds never crash.


No doubt, profound! Hey, don't some of those weird birds crash?


Some birds crash against human built structures and obstacles, but never against natural geography:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-_RHRAzUHM

Flight and crash probability change drastically when one can feel it with the five senses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlXDTFhCG9w&p=E66CBE0AB98C3141&playnext=1&index=65

Great thread, Luchnia; thanks!



Sweet videos. I like the glider doing loops over the swiss alps...wow!

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 3:07 AM   
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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 3:41 AM   
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Flight log not needed - simple math for you. 10 years of flying addiction - 200 days a year - conservative estimate, 10 flights conservative estimate - ya 20,000 is conservative.

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 4:53 AM   
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It was late in the day in a warm Minnesota summer and thermals were kicking up.
I lost a wheel pant on the first field pass and came around to land it and see what else was loose.
As I chopped the power to make the upwind leg, I realized I was under powered and a wind was picking up.
Sure enough, I'm 7 feet up on final and the wind stands my newer revolver (14 great flights) on it's tail.
I watched a newer plane bellyflop from that height and knew I had 5 hours of shop time ahead of me.
A crash, yes and an aggravation.
If someone else had been there, it would have been logged as pilot error.
But with 20+ years of flying and all I know, i chalked it up to taking two months off for a heavy work schedule and forgetting the basics of more power on approach is better!

Crashes will happen and it's not an opportunity for others to boast....sure my ego takes a hit, but it gave me a chance to really question what I  know and build a better engine mount and landing gear set up on a very sexy little plane.

See ya at the field, keep the nose up and the power on...
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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 4:55 AM   
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He simply stated that he was determined not to crash on that flight. And who isn't? However, although positive thinking is great, you can't ''will'' a plane to right itself in those conditions.


Now there is a great point. Another hobby of mine is tradirional archery (wood arrows, no sights on the recurve or longbow). At a field course I used to shoot at we had a lifesize steel deer with a 6" cutout. You had to put your arrow into that 6" opening and beyond into the haybale or it would shatter to pieces on the steel. The ONLY way to pull it off was to have total confidence that you would and focus on the center of that opening. Worry about the steel, or even think of it when releasing and "CLANG!"

So, to have confidence that you will not crash is, in fact, a pretty good philosophy. But, like in many pursuits, you have to back-up your convictions with more than thoughts. Practice, proper set-up, gound pre-flight checks and more practice. When your brain exceeds your abilities - that's overconfidence.

I'm certain I will crash again . . . but not this time. Du Doch Nicht!

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 6:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good thread! I have wondered what other people think when they crash. I for one, have too much invested to just throw it away and find another hobby like some do. Also, with the availability of ARFs, the only building experience I have has come from repairing and modifying a crashed plane. I did turn an H9 Alpha trainer into a pretty cool little low wing tail dragger, after it got into a tangle with a pine tree. That crash was my fault, and I eventually crashed that plane again from a dreaded case of Dumb Thumb, during a nice knife edge pass.

I think that crashing is inevitable in this hobby, and that it causes you to be a better pilot. I have also had more mishaps after I got to the intermediate level, due to the fact that I am constantly pushing to learn new maneuvers or "go lower". I have learned alot from that, as in emergency response, rudder control, etc. If you have never crashed, you have probably spent most of your time flying a trainer in high circles...lol. Ive taught myself to fly, before I knew there was such a thing as instructors and RC clubs. I have had a total of 3 crashes in the last 1.5 years that I have been flying, and all three have made me a better pilot in some way. One taught me how to use CA and Epoxy. One taught me that you dont have to listen to the guys behind you yelling "you can go lower!" The last taught me the value of altitude when I try something stupid. I never tell anyone that crashing is a negative thing, or that it shouldnt ever happen. I just tell them if they ask that it is the risk we take. We just pick up the pieces, and try to glue them back together. Same principal that applies to most aspects of life.

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 6:18 AM   
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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 6:35 AM   
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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 7:11 AM   
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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 10:37 AM   
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One taught me that you dont have to listen to the guys behind you yelling "you can go lower!"


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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 3:26 PM   
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I think one of the most common crashes is when a gust of wind kicks your plane up on landing or on take off. It is very common to wait until gravity helps you by dropping the plane back to the pavement, but there is something you can teach yourself. Push the elevator forward - it will feel very abnormal, but will save you many planes. Learning this will enable you to fly in high winds with confidence. It's tough to watch a guy take off and pull back too hard to get in the air - balloon up, and they follow normal instinct to come off the motor and wait for it to drop, then try to flare, but it will always result in a nose first crash and lots of damage. Had they only pushed the elevator down, they would have been up high and could power through the manuever for no stress take off.

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This has caused a number of planes at our club to find some repair time and one of mine included. My last problem was on landing with a wind gust. Things were smooth then all of a sudden, wind got wild. The crazy thing is I had plenty enough power and altitude to bring this plane around again, but I had had so many dead-sticks with this aircraft that all I could think was get it down smoothly!

Looking back I do believe some down elevator and also a tad right rudder instead of aileron correction would have saved me on my last wind gust and given me a decent landing. I over-corrected because the plane was getting wild with me. It is the type of thing that you look back and say to yourself that it was totally avoidable had you just did the right thing.

I simply need more experience with that particular aircraft's landing characteristics. I plan to get a serious stick time with the plane doing landings and touch and go practice. Nothing will beat experience with this. Also, I could have had a tad higher landing speed since it was a bit windy - another thing that I know works yet I get "stupid" and forget to apply it. To me there is nothing wrong with more speed in wind where the plane is more stable and flying it all the way down as if it were a faster plane and I have done that often. Sometimes those slow touchdowns with flares will kill you when in gusty winds.

I can imagine how hard down elevator is to apply in this situatoin, but I can see how this would work and I even do this on takeoffs quite often. I know of a couple of times that if I would have just applied some down elevator I would have gotten my plane back on track and on the runway for another flight. A lot of times we are just a few feet up and could minimize damage by slight down elevator. I wonder how I can train my mind and thumbs to react properly? There seems to be a disconnect!

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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 3:49 PM   
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Anyone who doesn't crash doesn't fly. If you are in the hobby long enough and fly it will happen. Nuf Said.


I understand the point, that if I don't fly I certainly won't crash. However here is something to consider about flying and crashing. There is a guy at our field that has possibly logged the most flights of anyone there (I think around 1700) and yet he has crashed the least of any one. As a matter of fact, he has planes that have had several engines on them from wearing out the engines and he uses high performance long life engines. His flying is simply a work of art and to him I believe a science and landings are surpurb - a bounce on a landing is simply a rarity.

I would imagine he has crashed over his career, but if so I bet it was rare and even then I suspect with little to no damage. He normally flys two planes and one of them is quite old.


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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 6:25 PM  1 votes
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3) Steer 100% of the time.

Just so much can be said about this so let me break it down based on observation of the many guys I've taught to fly and excercises I give them to perfect landing.
Flying is easy - taking off is a bit harder - LANDING is the tough cookie. I always tell guys on every new plane to spend 1 minute flying, trim and get comfortable then spend the rest of the time doing landing approaches. Some planes must have at least 1/4 throttle to land since they can not just glide in. The ones you'll have for a long time will land with no power. STEERING is basically a few things: A) Ailerons - this should be instinctive but you have to stay level to the ground - not the horizon, land on a hill or bump and you should level the wings to the surface. This is fairly easy but you'd be surprised how many times I see a guy gut the plane in. B) Practice rudder control, this will become instinctive. I don't even know I'm doing it. Do this by lining up 10-20 degrees off your landing strip, don't roll the ailerons as you would instinctively like to do, this makes the plane drop altitude and already gets you setup for wobble approach. Use Rudder to turn into the landing strip - DON'T LAND - just pass it buy four or five times until it feels good. Also know that when you turn rudder the nose will drop, so you get into a crash scenario - which is why alot of guys will freak, so practice it up HIGH first. Get used to pulling back very slightly on the elevator and even feeding in opposite aileron. An excellent excercise: Do up high - slow speed flat turns. Left Rudder, Right Aileron, up elevator a little and goose up the throttle slightly if needed. This means you are practicing using all four controls at once, and do it until you master it. Then impress your friends by sliding back and forth like a drunk flyer as you approach on a calm day. If you keep the wings level - you keep that pocket of air under your plane and you shouldn't need much, if any elevator.

I'll use slight rudder turns on approach to bleed off speed, and sometimes to force the nose down to get lower. Usually though I dive for the deck with power off, come out five or six feet up and don't turn on power until I start going to slow. Slight wobbles in the wing indicate you're near stall - but you should know for that plane how fast it has to go to land. Then power up 50-100 feet out to come in nice and slow. Windy days require faster approaches and I think is easier to do that in a steeper approach than you normally would do on a calm day.

Practice Touch and Go. Go out to your favorite cement flying strip ALONE and do touch and goes continuously.
Go to about 3 minutes to see how I practice touch and goes. I've improved alot since this video and mix in rolls on return and now practice killing throttle above the trees to dive into the slot. And yes there is a crash at the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RaQ-0-BXZI

OK next or maybe first most important is to check your plane for proper setup. Fly level past yourself about 20 feet off the deck - Half throttle. As it moves in front of you push full throttle. The plane should not budge up or down. If it dives then one day when you are approaching and you are going to slow - you hit the throttle and your plane lands or crashes at higher speed than intended. Done it and now we check this on all our planes. If it climbs it will just make landing more difficult. To fix you can correct the motor angle. You can also do the reverse - go full throttle then come off the throttle the plane should not change altitude. You can setup perfect and fly like it's a simulator. It just takes messing around with your plane. A bad flying plane will crash more often.

You could also practice landing cross wind. It's fun to hold the plane 45 degrees into the wind, and approach coming in what looks like sideways, the hit rudder and a little elevator to drop the plane in for a landing. But your practice should be fly around - not touching down until it feels very comfortable. Most landings you'll do will be directly into the wind - so whether you need to do this depends on the field you fly at - do you HAVE to come in only down one slot ? We fly at one field in a open field so can come in from any direction - but the above video is next to a building and the challenge there is that the wind changes direction as you pass the open areas of the building, so rudder is essential.

Take offs are optional, Landing is mandatory.

Vinnie


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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 6:48 PM   
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I think that if you're not crashing, you're not pushing yourself.  If you're comfortable with doing no more than the bare minimum, that's fine...but it's not enough for me.  I push the envelope flight after flight, trying to put nothing at risk other than my airplane.

Once you learned to fly in the air, why would you ever get off the buddy box if you're terrified of crashing?  It's part of the hobby that needs to be minimised, and I'd much rather crash because of my thumbs than equipment anyway.  I've heard of airplanes and helicopters defined as a loosely related group of materials and parts that fly together in approximately the same trajectory at about the same speed.  You can't keep it all perfect forever.


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RE: Crashing - a part of the hobby? - 8/23/2010 7:23 PM   
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OK next or maybe first most important is to check your plane for proper setup. Fly level past yourself about 20 feet off the deck - Half throttle. As it moves in front of you push full throttle. The plane should not budge up or down. If it dives then one day when you are approaching and you are going to slow - you hit the throttle and your plane lands or crashes at higher speed than intended. Done it and now we check this on all our planes. If it climbs it will just make landing more difficult. To fix you can correct the motor angle. You can also do the reverse - go full throttle then come off the throttle the plane should not change altitude. You can setup perfect and fly like it's a simulator. It just takes messing around with your plane. A bad flying plane will crash more often.



Very, very good info! I am amazed that some of the things you have stated I have been doing in small parts just by flying a lot and experimenting. I have not had anyone to tell me how or about many of the things you typed about.

On the subject of giving full throttle when flying level accross the runway about 20 feet up, are there other variables such as, the style of the plane (ex: a Twist vs a Pulse XT - two different designs), the size of the engine (plane overpowered), balance points on the plane (CG), etc.? Would correcting the motor angle be the same for Nitro engines and are you implying this is not done with any trim work as in using any elevator correction?

I am very curious because I believe the key to a lot of our problems is a good flying plane verses one that is half setup and flys poorly.



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