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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/1/2003 9:08:56 AM   
J_R


 

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Too bad he is dead set on destruction rather than building something
worthwhile in the hobby. Probably made all the farm animals mad at him.
You know, the ones he humps when he is out of batteries.

LOL@ FOI to misquote someone,

Jim Branaum [email]jgb@flash.net[/email] AMA 1428
Another modeler providing glue for the AMA

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I would guess the object of this statement would not vote for Jim. But what about the other readers? On the other hand, maybe it wasn't Jim. How can we prove either way? Who knows what he was reacting to, or what provoked him?

Better to stay anonymous, I say, than have your words live forever where they can be taken out of context and misinterpreted.

(To be fair, I must report that I had to read 200 of Jim's posts to find that jem. I'm not trying to say anything about Jim's character, I'm only trying to defend anonymity on the web.)[/QUOTE]

pinball

I understand that you quoted the above passage from Jim to make an unrelated point.

I do, however, have this one little problem I need you to help me with. I am very curious where the quote was taken from. I also went back to google and checked.

I have been crossing swords with, and in discussions with Jim for quite some time. I could not remember him ever making the above post, so... I started checking a few things. It turns out that although Jim did have an account a flash.net, it had been replaced with one at earthlink.net for a considerable time before the proported date of your quote.

If this entire quote is anything but a fabrication, please point me to the thread and forum where it occurs. Otherwise, I will be forced to assume that my reasearch is correct and the the entire quote is a fabrication. I have been wrong before, so please help me out.

I think that it is only fair to point out that if there is ANY error in your quote, you have made a fantastic case for giving very little credence to anyone who choses to remain annoymous.

JR

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Guys This is silly - 8/1/2003 12:12:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Look this thread is about Jim as a write in candidate but some how it has become a flame to those that has chosen to be anonymous. Accusations of my credibility even though I have not made any unsubstantiated claims is just plain stupid(sorry but). I have only voiced my opinion as to how I feel about Jim as a VP and to the unfairness by Elwood. From my point of view it is for his vanity or ego and an attempt to add a feather to his cap. Please understand that in my view point if he really cared so much about the education of the modelers,(AMA's prime directive) he would have spent a lot more time in some of the other forums providing assistance to those that could use his experience and insight. The same goes for Jean-Pierre also!

AMA politics are not end to the means boys!!! Get out and get a hobby or something!! LOL

OK I am willing to change my opinion and actually hope that I can since the other options aren't so great.

So come on Jim I hope I have spurred you to get on the soap box and make some really concrete platform statements and cut all the ambiguities. I already know what the meaning of [SIZE=4]is[/SIZE] is.


I2DDD
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< Message edited by I2DDD -- Aug 1 2003 7:18AM >

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good point - 8/1/2003 12:46:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by mongo
actually, there really is no way to prove that the name and ama number at the bottom of your post is really yours.
the "real ron allen" could show up some day and claim he never wrote the things posted here under his name. the rest of us got no way to dispute or prove his claim in any manor. we just have to trust that it is not a "stolen" identity being used. [/QUOTE]

No doubt if there was a real intention to be deceptive and also be malicious it would be [FONT=arial]very[/FONT] easy to acquire someones AMA number and name. Of course the ultra intelligent fail to see that.

[SIZE=3]So maybe the most credible are the nameless and numberless HMMMM[/SIZE]



Besides I despise numbers associated to me! I would never consider a number assigned/registered to me as matter of pride... All my glory goes to GOD not to any vanity or assessment of man.

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/1/2003 7:41:08 PM   
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You may have noticed that I have not taken a stand against being anonymous. I also supported your posts, regardless of what they have been. On the other hand, when anyone makes claims of fact that appear to be fabrications, that is another matter. Your posts, so far, are your opinion, and it is obvious. When generally accepted facts are posted, I have no problem with that. Anyone posting information that others may rely on as fact, especially when others do not know where to substantiate it, is in a different situation. As YOU know, I occasionally post my identity when I post that type of information. To me, it's one or the other. Point to where the information may be found, or identify yourself. That's my standard and I do not expect anyone else to follow it.

JR

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/1/2003 9:11:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		JR right on the money as usual. But invariably someone will read your last post and construe that I have made some claim with unsubstantiated facts. I really don't understand how that happens. I guess people need things to be stated clearly without references to any negative connotation clouding the subject at hand.Unfortunately it is much too to often the case with many posts that the reader does not strive to extract the exact meaning of the poster.

Maybe if you would have posted that I2DDD has only expressed his opinion and has made no unsubstantiated claims and leave it like that, without the negative connotation in the same paragraph about I2DDD, someone might get the point!

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/1/2003 9:42:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		By the nature of the beast, your post is on another page. If a reader looks at the post I made prior to my last one, I doubt that they would feel you are referenced as the object of my post. No one can make every post absolutely, positively, unequivocally perfect for the reader that jumps into a thread without reading it's prior posts/contents.

As you suggested, let's try to return this thread to it's topic.

JR

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/1/2003 10:46:27 PM   
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If this entire quote is anything but a fabrication, please point me to the thread and forum where it occurs. Otherwise, I will be forced to assume that my reasearch is correct and the the entire quote is a fabrication. I have been wrong before, so please help me out.

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The word search on Google leaves a lot to be desired (doesn't seem to work). However, if you search rec.models.rc.air on the date 2/14/2001 for a post from "Branaum" with the subject "Re: on track with Fred Anderson", you'll see the source.

I've deleted my post anyway, for a number of reasons, among them that it was mean-spirited, off-topic and the copy of the post was gratuitous. I'm still angry, it seems, from Jim's unprovoked "he must be on drugs" response to a long-ago post of mine. I am having problems squaring Jim's response to my post with his statement earlier in this thread that, "As a club officer, I have learned to listen respectfully to all the members ..." If Jim restricts the respectful listening only to the non-anonymous, then all I can say is, "Welcome to the Internet!"

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/1/2003 11:34:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by pinball
The word search on Google leaves a lot to be desired (doesn't seem to work). However, if you search rec.models.rc.air on the date 2/14/2001 for a post from "Branaum" with the subject "Re: on track with Fred Anderson", you'll see the source.

I've deleted my post anyway, for a number of reasons, among them that it was mean-spirited, off-topic and the copy of the post was gratuitous. I'm still angry, it seems, from Jim's unprovoked "he must be on drugs" response to a long-ago post of mine. I am having problems squaring Jim's response to my post with his statement earlier in this thread that, "As a club officer, I have learned to listen respectfully to all the members ..." If Jim restricts the respectful listening only to the non-anonymous, then all I can say is, "Welcome to the Internet!" [/QUOTE]
2-1/2 years you had to search! That's a heck of a vendetta ya got there, pilgrim...

Ad I would guess that many folks, like myself, equate the anonymous (untrackable) posters with the folks who refuse to step forward when needed. Or possible the looters after the flood, the guys selling generators for double list price after a hurricane... and so on. Probably not necessarily a valid description, but that, too, is life.

Roger

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/2/2003 3:56:18 AM   
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Ad I would guess that many folks, like myself, equate the anonymous (untrackable) posters with the folks who refuse to step forward when needed.[/QUOTE]

I think you're making the mistake of confusing the Internet with reality. A lot of the guys here that come across really ****ly are the nicest guys you'd meet at the field. Conversely, I appear to you as lacking character here, but I think you'd find me the opposite in person.

On the issue of how many folks think like you on the issue on anonymity, I've posted a poll in the Clubhouse.

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/2/2003 6:06:51 AM   
rw Guinn



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by pinball
I think you're making the mistake of confusing the Internet with reality. A lot of the guys here that come across really ****ly are the nicest guys you'd meet at the field. Conversely, I appear to you as lacking character here, but I think you'd find me the opposite in person.

On the issue of how many folks think like you on the issue on anonymity, I've posted a poll in the Clubhouse. [/QUOTE]
As I said, its probably not necessarily a valid position- but I would guess there are a number of us "older" folks who have to combat that feeling...
Good idea on the poll. I'd like to know-even if I am in the minority

Roger
Edited to add:
I am moving, so will probably not be on-board for a week or so- I am NOT hiding or running away...SW Bell is just really S_L_O_W about flipping the switch in Ft. Worth, I hear....

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/2/2003 12:59:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by pinball
I've deleted my post anyway, for a number of reasons, [/QUOTE]

Yes, and I am sure that one of them was that you claimed the post had been made in 2002.

JR

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/2/2003 6:04:16 PM   
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Could be; or perhaps just a long memory. The thread I referred to in my post was at least that long ago. I brought it up simply because I have learned that human nature rarely changes; a leopard doe not shed his spots, not deep down where it counts.

To make the point clearly; given Mr. Branaum's past history of vitrolic intercourse from behind a keyboard, does this raise a character issue?

J_R, you wrote that Mike Moss' apparently limited writing skills eliminated him from your consideration as a viable candidate. Having spoken face-to-face with Mike, I know that he has no trouble communicating with others in an eloquent manner.

So it may not be an issue at all; that is, the "face" we represent here might be totally different from the real person. At least, participants in this forum are actively discussing the issues.

I don't know what's worse; the incredibly detailed, sometimes-petty nit-picking that goes on here, or the total apathy among the OTHER 95% of AMA members....

Steve

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/2/2003 8:20:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what's worse; the incredibly detailed, sometimes-petty nit-picking that goes on here, or the total apathy among the OTHER 95% of AMA members....

Steve
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From my point of view , Id rather have the nit-picking, the apathy of some of the people that I have talked to about the election is incredible

no time for the future , is a concept that I simply cannot seem to get a handle on,

but I do know this , when the axe falls all those folks who took no interest will be the first to complain, and blame those who did take an interest ,just the way it works, after all it was us who voted the guy into office,


To make the point clearly; given Mr. Branaum's past history of vitrolic intercourse from behind a keyboard, does this raise a character issue?



I think the answer to this would be to look to the catalyst for the outburst , (perhaps it was a subject that irritated him? perhaps it was the approach of who he was talking to? or perhaps just perhaps it was the perception of those who were reading it?(is this a personal experience to you steve ?)

Isolated outburst of temper , or even what could be viewed as (vitrolic intercourse) does not a leopard make ! what it does make is a human person just like everyone else who is imperfect .


Highlander

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Write in Jim Branaum 1428LM for D8-VP - 8/2/2003 10:41:28 PM   
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pinball also had posted that he had to read 200 of Jim's posts in order to find the one he quoted. pinball also chose to delete that fact when he deleted his post. The point is that pinball had no long term memory of Jim, other than a rather mild rebuke to pinball, a few months ago. Going back, taking a comment out of context, making misrepresentations about it, then deleting the post, covering up the errors in the post, is about as low a maneuver as I have seen on the net. I can not recall anyone ever doing that before. At this point, because of pinballs post, which