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Arizona Models - 4/8/2002 8:09:59 PM   
snake152


 

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Status: offline 		Opinions Wanted: Has anyone built a kit offered by Arizona Models? What is your opinion of the kit quality, instructions, fittings, wood? How do these kits compare to those offered by Proctor? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Snake
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Arizona Models - 4/9/2002 12:26:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Snake..I just recently sent back a Arizona models kit. The quality was just ok, but the instructions do not exsist. They expect you to be able to build it on your own. I have built 2 proctor kits and they are much better in quality and have excellant instructions. The new kits from GTM models also are of excellant quality and great instructions. I would not recommend an Arizona models kit from my own experience, unless you do not need any instructions. Mitoo R/C

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Arizona Models - 4/9/2002 12:43:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I bought one of their WW1 machine gun kits. What little instructions there were, were really vague, and the laser cutting was terrible. I ended up using only a few of their parts and building most of it from scratch, and it still doesn't look right. The plastic Williams Bros. gun is a LOT more accurate.
If this is an indication of their airplane kits, good luck.

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Arizona Models - 4/29/2002 10:46:19 AM   
Thrushdust


 

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Status: offline 		We ordered a 1/3 scale Bucker Jungmann wood kit and F/glass Cowl and pants for a customer almost 2 years ago , we finally got the wood "pieces" after repeated phone calls, still haven't recieved the cowl/pants although they wanted (and got) "cash in advance"

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MAN Cover picture - 5/1/2002 5:00:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are this the same people who have an Fokker DR-1 ARF on MAN cover shot...........June issue.......any comments?

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Arizona Models - 5/1/2002 9:59:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Arizona is also the dealer of the DR-1 in MAN. That plane looks quite nice and at a reasonable cost compared to other planes they offer and compared to whats out market. It will take some work to get it to fly with a glow engine but looks like it would be worth it.


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Arizona Models - 5/8/2002 8:36:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Look at the new price for the DR1...$279.00
They sold me the same plane a few months back for $649.00
Called when got this months MAN they gave me a song and dance about better deal with larger run of production.
They then said they are going to give us dummies who bought from them a coupon for future purchase discount.
I will keep you posted if they follow through.
As for instructions not much there. Probably would take less time to build a real set of guns than there kit guns.

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Fokker DR-1 - 5/8/2002 1:37:10 PM   
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After reading what you said about price of thier Fokker DR-1. I think I'll stick with the GP Fokker DR-1..Thier have been some very good comments about this plane (GP)......for instance Dick Pettit...he is very high on it.....too many negative comments on Arizona Models.....Good luck on getting your 'Coupons"

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RE: Arizona Models - 1/30/2008 1:36:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		i purchased a 1/12 scale neiuport 24/27 bis museum quality, first of all i didn't get spoked wheels like the website said instead i got willams bros. the balsa was a low grade and about half the sheet stock was missing. the stock they supplied for the wing spars was to small for the ply ribs. about 1/3 of all laser cut parts including bottom wing ribs were all burned through and useless. (couldn't save). the wing struts in the kit and a number of other parts were much to large, i figured about 1/8 scale. there was no hardware, the site said there was complete hardware package, no turnbuckles instead i recieved jewlery clasps that dont tension or resemble turnbuckles. more than 25 percent of the laser cut parts were missing for the rudder and elevator part" A "was cut but there was no part B on the ply sheet. there were no parts for the throttle quadron and no parts for the working cable system, wire, pulleys etc.. there was no ply supplied for L.E.. the instructions were the worst ive seen in my life. ( and ive done many, many builds) and the plans were off by a country mile. needless to say i contacted jamie j. at arizona models and he and he said the 1/12 kits dont supply a lot of detail items and he would fix the rest of the problems. if the 1/12 kit doesn't come with parts promised on website, hardware, spoke wheels, etc, there should have been a disclaimer or something on his site to warn you. false advertising all the way. after months of calling jamie and being promised this and that i got absolutly nothing fixed. i'm battleing cancer right now and all i wanted was a kit that would really wow me, after all it may be my last and i love this hobby very much. jamie j. is a pathalogical liar and will say anything, and has not told me a single truth since i purchased the kit. i finnaly realized i was duped and saved a few things that were salvagable, cowl, instrument kit, and guns and through the rest in the garbage, thats all it was anyway. SO PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THIS SITE !, it will only prove to be a major disapointment. P.S., that was my last 300.00 dollars i spent on total garbage but i hope to buy and fly a procter kit before the lights go out, i should have purchased from them in the first place, they have quality stuff and are stand up people not like JAMIE J. AT ARIZONA GARBAGE.

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RE: Arizona Models - 1/30/2008 3:10:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really would like to believe that Arizona Models offers something of value to WWI modelers. I love visiting the site and the catalog is gorgeous. So I think there's potential there. If nothing else they are a convenient clearing house for WWI model plans. The plans are designed by a range of well-known and respected scale modelers, for example, the Pfalz DIII plans by Tom Polapink. I ordered the 1/6th scale plans and got them right away.

Maybe they just need to be a little bit more upfront with what we're actually getting. For example, they could show a photo of the kit parts along with a photo of the finished model. This is particularly important for their dummy engine kits which are apparently little more than a bag of stock wooden parts and a drawing of the original engine.

In some sense they aren't really a kit producer. They just ofter laser cutting for a range of plans -- and then throw in some additional wood and some hardware. Construction manuals are provided so they're really targeted more at serious builder's who can build just from plans. But then modelers that can do this may also have fairly high standards in terms of what they expect from a laser cut short kit.

I would hate to see them go out of business but do hope they can turn things around a bit.

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RE: Arizona Models - 1/30/2008 3:11:57 PM   
Scar



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ORIGINAL: spikkkkkk

I purchased a 1/12 scale neiuport 24/27 bis "Museum quality" . First of all i didn't get spoked wheels like the website said. Instead I got Willams Bros.

The balsa was a low grade and about half the sheet stock was missing. The stock they supplied for the wing spars was to small for the ply ribs. About 1/3 of all laser cut parts including bottom wing ribs were all burned through and useless. (couldn't save) .

The wing struts in the kit and a number of other parts were much to large, I figured about 1/8 scale. There was no hardware, (although) the site said there was complete hardware package. No turnbuckles, instead i recieved jewlery clasps that don´t tension or resemble turnbuckles.

More than 25 percent of the laser cut parts were missing for the rudder and elevator "part A " was cut but there was no "part B" on the ply sheet. There were no parts for the throttle quadrant and no parts for the working cable system, wire, pulleys etc.. There was no ply supplied for L.E.

The instructions were the worst ive seen in my life, and I´ve done many, many builds. The plans were off by a country mile.

Needless to say I contacted Jamie J. at Arizona Models and he and he said the 1/12 kits don't supply a lot of detail items and he would fix the rest of the problems.

If the 1/12 kit doesn't come with parts promised on website, hardware, spoke wheels, etc, there should be a disclaimer or something on his site to warn you. False advertising all the way.

After months of calling jamie and being promised this and that I got absolutley nothing fixed.

I'm battling cancer right now and all I wanted was a kit that would really wow me. After all it may be my last and I love this hobby very much. Jamie J. is a pathological liar, will say anything, and has not told me a single truth since I purchased the kit.

I finally realized I was duped and saved a few things that were salvagable, cowl, instrument kit, and guns, and threw the rest in the garbage. Thats all it was anyway. SO PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THIS SITE! It will only prove to be a major disapointment.

P.S., that was my last 300.00 dollars I spent on total garbage but I hope to buy and fly a Proctor kit before the lights go out. I should have purchased from them in the first place. They have quality stuff and are stand up people not like JAMIE J. AT ARIZONA GARBAGE.


Wow. There's another one off my list. Hope you get your Proctor plane soon.
Best wishes,
Dave Olson

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RE: Arizona Models - 1/30/2008 3:16:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spikkkkkk
i purchased a 1/12 scale neiuport 24/27 bis museum quality...


We do have to be realistic though. There's just no way that a 1/12 scale WWI model kit is going to be "museum quality" and comparing a 36" or so wingspan kit to a Proctor kit is apples and oranges. Personally, while I'm awed by the beauty of the Proctor Museum Scale kits (like the Albatros DIII and Fokker DVII) I don't at the moment have any driving desire to build one. They are all a bit too "civilized" for my tastes, too much already worked out for you. I'm a kit basher and the Proctor kits are just too lovely to bash.

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RE: Arizona Models - 1/30/2008 3:39:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Abu: I hear what you are saying about 1/12 scale being too small to be "museum quality" but never say never. Check these out. Look like museum quality to me. The P-51 was featured somewhere:-)))))))

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/

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RE: Arizona Models - 1/30/2008 3:44:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Les, I didn't mean outstanding scale models can't be built at that scale. I've see several of them including FF scale models that blow my mind. I've just never seen a "museum scale" KIT offered at that size. Frankly, I doubt I ever will.

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RE: Arizona Models - 1/30/2008 5:19:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		arizonamodels.com, go to this site and tell me they dont offer a 1/12 museum quality kit, they offer many of them. perhaps thats what intriged me was the fact that all that detail was in a small scale, also scalercmodels.com sells the same kits and after speaking with him he seems very disellusioned with ARIZONA MODELS.

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