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RE: Arizona Models - 6/27/2008 2:55:27 PM   
cocobear


 

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Status: offline 		Anyone who wants to spend that much, I will have a ready to fly 1/3rd scale Albatros DIII in a ready to fly condition available (After the world championships) for just a bit more. A very proven provinence.

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/27/2008 3:18:59 PM   
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The BBB isn't going to do anything, but there is always the Federal Trade Commission, and the Department of Consumer Affairs.

Les

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/28/2008 3:33:13 PM   
abufletcher



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Status: online 		...but then you see a great model like this apparently from AZM:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4362643/tm.htm

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/28/2008 4:45:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I think you need to purchase a kit of that plane & report back to us your impression of what YOU get.
From what I see of that thread, that gentleman could work from plans with the best of them.

I would have no problem with saying that AZM is up with the better kit providers IF their business practices were up to what is considered acceptable and their product was approching the quality of Proctors.
At this point it is buyer beware on both points.
If the product were up to better standards everyone would put up with unacceptable business standards and long waits, but it's not.
Let's face it, it's hard to make a good living in the model business alone hence the avaiation display company. That's also why you will not see any more improvement in the kit contents in my opinion.


< Message edited by Reg Hinnant -- 6/28/2008 5:06:08 PM >

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/28/2008 4:59:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Reg Hinnant

Well, I think you need to purchase a kit of that plane & report back to us your impression of what YOU get.


I know what you mean. The wonderful model on that thread may have been scratch-built just from John Cole's plans being marketed through AZM.

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/28/2008 5:48:05 PM   
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If AZM could just get their act together this company has the potential to be the premier WWI modeling site in the US. That is to say, I wish there actual were a company that provided in a timely fashion the sort of scale offerings that AZM claims to offer on their website.

BTW, who's building those "fully assembled" 1/4 scale WWI models selling for $5,000 and up (ready to fly)?


Wanna bet?......i've seen their kits.............ain't nothin like Proctor or Mick Reeves kits.
should they even get their operation running like it should they will now always have these black eyes to deal with.

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/28/2008 6:07:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: summerwind


quote:

ORIGINAL: abufletcher

If AZM could just get their act together this company has the potential to be the premier WWI modeling site in the US. That is to say, I wish there actual were a company that provided in a timely fashion the sort of scale offerings that AZM claims to offer on their website.

BTW, who's building those "fully assembled" 1/4 scale WWI models selling for $5,000 and up (ready to fly)?


Wanna bet?......i've seen their kits.............ain't nothin like Proctor or Mick Reeves kits.
should they even get their operation running like it should they will now always have these black eyes to deal with.


I'm not trying to be supportive of AZM. But as a WWI modeler I sure wish there WERE some company offering AND DELIVERING what AZM's website promises. As for "their kits" well as I've said before there really isn't any such thing as an AZM kit. All you have is a variety of WWI plans by a variety of (highly skilled) scale modelers, which are being badly package as a box of wood claiming to be a kit.

I just wish there WERE some responsible company out there offering quality kits of, for example, John Cole's outstanding Hansa-Brandenburg CI. Proctor makes great kits but their offerings are fairly limited.

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/28/2008 6:25:09 PM   
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should they even get their operation running like it should they will now always have these black eyes to deal with.


Honestly, I can't imagine that anything short of a total change of ownership could turns this nasty rep around.

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/28/2008 6:37:12 PM   
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I think AZM could be viable. That is, a seller of 1/6 and 1/4 scale R/C plans as well as "tough-to-make" parts for obscure pre-war and WWI aircraft. If they would just concentrate on that and establish a great reputation for quality and value, they would be far better off than their current "complete museum kit in any scale you want" facade.


I was just rereading the thread and this quote by CrateCruncher sums up my feelings.

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/28/2008 6:50:23 PM   
summerwind


 

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Status: offline 		abu, the thing with Joe at Proctor is that he is upfront from the very beginning of the order......he'll tell you approx. wait time for the kit and when the kit does arrive it's first class.
have a problem with any one stick in the kit and he's got a new piece off to you the next day.
AZM is making it tough on all the current kitters with their antics.............they deserve no support and should be blackballed from here on out.
people in Europe who order kits from US kitters should not be treated this way.

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RE: Arizona Models - 6/29/2008 1:27:06 AM   
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AZM is making it tough on all the current kitters with their antics.............they deserve no support and should be blackballed from here on out.
people in Europe who order kits from US kitters should not be treated this way.


I agree completely. What I'd like to see is someone taking over the AZM business and restructuring it.

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RE: Arizona Models - 7/1/2008 4:20:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have had good and bad experience with Jaime. I agree with the description of the Mercedes engine kit (at least he has one available where no one else does). Lots of missing parts, lots of work not expected with a kit etc.
On the other hand, Jaime stood by me when my 8 inch spinner let loose on my Albi and self destructed. Gave me a reduced rate and quick service on a replacement.

However, Ive had terrible experience with Larry Katona at PCK - even worse than AZM. I built the PCK DR1 and the kit is a ripoff. Made Larry recut many of the ribs as he can't read a blueprint correctly! Much of the material in the design was either not there, or not cut to shape as specified in Larry Weiss's plans. Had to supply and cut many of my own parts because of errors. Could have scratch built it easier. I would never recommend PCK, but I might try Jaime again for some of his accessory kits. So AZM is not the only one.......

Seems these forums are a good place to pick up on info about suppliers.

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RE: Arizona Models - 7/1/2008 6:07:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		AZM for accessory kits. I am waiting going on 6 months for a pair of 1/8 Spandau kits. All I get in response to my e-mails is the same line of BS that he feeds everyone. I get the distinct feeling that I am dealing in a situation where "lights are on, but nobody's home"; or that Jamie puts everyone else in that catagory.

Les

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RE: Arizona Models - 7/2/2008 3:14:17 PM   
JohnF


 

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Status: offline 		Guy's you are wasting too much energy on this. Life is too short. It's really sad but bad business is a fact of life in the USA and unless someone is stealing money from the government nothing gets done about it. The bad guy's know most of us can't afford or just won't spend the money to take the legal route. You can try small claims court (don't need a lawyer) and have the vendor served for a court appearance which they probably will not want or show up for which will put them in contempt and then you can try to get a judgment against them which will after awhile make it really hard for them to get loans or make other financial transactions. How much is your time worth to you? There isn't any quick or cheap solution. On a better note, If you don't already know it, GTM is working on a 1/3 scale SE5. Now that is something to get excited about.

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RE: Arizona Models - 7/3/2008 12:56:04 AM