rob1978

hey everyone,

i'm super new to r/c airplanes...
i have the aerobird challenger and have flown it a few times (succsessfully thanks to some great help at the local field) the problem is that for me, it's a bit too fast for my skill level. I have to fly it at a huge field and i don't get to go there too often! I have a decent sized park/field behind my house (about 2 baseball feilds) where i could get much more needed fly time, I want to buy a plane which has room to grow with my skill level. i've very interested in learning aerobatics and 3d in the future. i also want a plane which is slow enough for me to fly in the park behind my house with ease and comfort and which is also a good beginner/trainer plane.

after much research i think i'm ready to buy the T-IFO. it seems to be a great slow flyer with much room for upgrade to a more aerobatic trainer.

I would love to hear about anyone's experience/advise about this plane and also a reccommended flight pack which would better suit me for future projects (rather that the Standard one offered) (especially the radio)

the link to the site is www.flyifo.com

thanks,
-rob

maiden-crash

Im sure that every one is sick of me saying this but once again I will recommend the stryker by parkzone. It has high and low rates, low rates fo beginers and high rates fore more experienced pilots. It flies fast and slow, glides like a bird and mine has not stalled yet even on extremely slow speeds. It can loop from level flight, rolls pretty well and inverted flight is too easy ( on one fligh I kept it inverted for eight minutes and the flight lasted nine!) Upgrade to lipo and tear up the sky!!!

PP

rob1978

seems like a really cool plane, but it has no rudder... maybe a bit to advanced for me. i wanted to work my way up to elevron flight, not learn to fly on it. but thanks for the input and this seems like a really cool plane for the future.

maiden-crash

I moved up from a plane slower and much less responsive the the aerobird but still no problem. Its up to you though...

aeajr

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Welcome to RC Flying

If you want to learn close to home and don't have a huge field, then you
want a slow flyer that will work in your space. With these you can train in
the space of a little league baseball field, a football field or similar
space.
Once you get good you can fly in just the baseball infield or 1/3 of the
football field, in front of your house, or even indoors.

I always suggest that new flyers start in very calm conditions regardless of
what plane they get. This way they can focus on the plane and not fighting
the wind. If you can do this and be strong about avoiding anything above
about 3 mph, then you can train close to home.

Once you have 10-15 solid flights in a row, with safe landings, then you can
move up the wind scale a little at a time as you gain confidence. This
could be accomplished in a few 2 hour sessions. Or it could be done in a
single 4-6 hour day if you have 3-4 batteries and have a charger or two you
can use at the field. Of course, this assumes you don't smack up the plane.

Some of these will tollerate 5 mph and some up to about 8.

Slow-V RTF from Parkzone - $140 -
Best flown in still to under 5 mph breeze. This is good for people want an
RTF and who only have a small space to fly or who have an indoor place to
fly, such
as a gym or similar space.
[url]http://h1071118.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=PKZ1300[
/url]

T-IFO - $75 including Motor
http://www.flyifo.com/htmlpages/tifo.html
Complete package with radio - $275
http://www.flyifo.com/htmlpages/ordertifo.html#
Review
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4117

Slow stick - $35 -
Can also be flown indoors in a gym or similar space.
[url]http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_53&products_id=2[/url
]
or
Slow stick Complete Package incl radio - $150
(need battery charger)
[url]http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=602[/url
]
The Slow Stick Info Site
http://mattsrc.rchomepage.com/ssir/index.shtml
Discussion Thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273180
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...ProdID=GWS1020
video
http://www.skrogg.com/sun.wmv
Souped up Slow sticks go verticle
http://skrogg.com/wed.wmv

Tiger Moth - $50
[url]http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_53&products_id=20[/ur
l]
or
Tiger moth Complete Package incl. radio - $150
(need battery charger)
[url]http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=343[/url
]
Review
http://www.backyardflyer.com/BY/articles/tiger_moth.asp

If you have the money I would recommend a comptuer radio like the Spektrum
DX6 or the Futaba 6EXAS as entry level comptuer radios.

GWS 12V Peak Charger - can charger from a car cig lighter -
There are cheaper chargers, but this one looks good for this plane and
future - $49
http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...p?prod=GWS3000

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Radios

Starter Radios

I have a very specific position on radios. Don't buy a Standard Radio!!!

Computer radios are now so inexpensive and offer so much more than standard
radios that it doesn't make sense to get anything but a computer radio.
Don't
get me wrong, there are many good standard radios, but for only a few bucks
more you get a much more capable computer radio that can do more for you
than
any standard radio and can save you money by time you get the second plane.
They can also make it easier to fly your plane, perform aerobatics and more.

Below are five radios. All will fly your typical parkflyer. All but the
DX6
can also be purchased with larger servos suitable for larger planes and
gliders. Two are standard radios, for the uncommitted or low budget first
time flyer. These will get your plane off the ground with very basic radio
features for a low price. Each package I list include radio, micro servos,
micro receiver.

STANDARD RADIOS

Hitec Neon 3 - 3 channel standard radio $59
2 micro servos, micro receiver, switch, etc
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXLGF4**&P=7
For $19 you can add a trainer port to this:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXDEK8&P=V

This package is such good value for that first 3 channel ARF or kit, if you
can't afford a computer radio. ( more on that later ) If you bought the
two
servos and the receiver by themselves, that would come to about $60. So
this
is about as cheap as you can get into a hobby grade radio that will fly a
three channel R/E/T or A/E/T parkflyer or 3 channel
glider ARF or kit plane. It also does not include rechargeable batteries
which
the others do. You run this one on standard AA batteries.

It includes mixing for flying wings or V-tail 3 channel planes as well as
servo reversing. It does not have ATV/EPA or dual rates, however these can
be
added later at extra cost. . You can also add a trainer port for
use with an instructor or to connect to a flight simulator. You can add a
4th
channel but it is limited so don't think of this as a 4 channel radio. It
can't fly a 4 channel plane.


Hitec Laser 4 - 4 Channel Standard Radio $120
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...=LXANT7**&P=ML
My minimum recommended 4 channel standard radio for A/E/R/Throttle
parkflyer,
glow plane or 4 channel glider. Radio, micro receiver, 3 micro servos,
Switch harness, etc. It will fly a 4 channel aileron plane. Includes V-tail
and Elevon mixing, servo reversing, ATV on ch 1&2 . Also has a trainer port
that can be used with fight simulators or a buddy box.

While the Laser is a good radio, pick the Laser 4 only if you are unsure you
will continue in the hobby and want to spend as little as possible to get a
4
channel plane into the air. Not my recommendation for a committed flyer
who
plans to continue in the hobby.


COMPUTER RADIOS - Much Better Choice

In short, computer radios give you things like model memories, exponential,
a
variety of surface mixes and more; features not found on standard radios.
Your computer radio can store the profile for many planes and reset itself
for
each plane by just selecting the model. Standard radios don't have model
memories or a lot of the other features that computer radios offer. With a
computer radio, you only need one radio to fly a bunch of planes, rather
than
dedicating a radio to each plane, or resetting the radio each time you
change
planes. Computer radios are great! In the end, they are cheaper. more
convenient AND can make it easier for a new flyer to learn to fly.

These are all 6 channel radios so they will let you fly more advanced planes
then either of the radios above.

Spektrum DX 6 - $199 - For the committed Parkflyer pilot
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByC...ProdID=SPM2460
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=623
If your plans are to fly small to medium sized electrics, often called
parkflyers, hand launched gliders with wing spans under 60 inches, this
might
be your best choice. The DX6 is suitable for flying within 2000 feet
out. That is about 5-7 football fields away. This is more then enough for
these plane and further than most people will fly them.

It has a nice mix of features, 10 model memories and is backed by Horizon
Hobby, so you can be confident of good service. You will never worry about
channel conflict again. This promises to be the RC technology of the
future.

Digital DSMT Spread Spectrum Modulation
10 model memories, dual rates, exponential, 6 channels, 8 standard mixes and
three programmable mixes. No crystals needed and no channel conflict
control
needed

DX6 Flight experience thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...7&page=2&pp=15
More information on DX6 - Spektrum
http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6.html
AMA on 2.4 GHz SS
http://www.modelaircraft.org/spreadspec.asp


Futaba 6 EXAS - Entry Level 6 Channel Computer Radio - $150
micro receiver, 3 micro servos, Switch- $160
Receiver in this package is not appropriate for sailplanes or glow planes.
OK for parkflyers/low speed electrics.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...=LXJUV7**&P=ML

The Futaba 6EXAS is an entry level computer radio for the committed flyer
who
also plans to fly glow planes, thermal duration gliders or electrics over
60"
wing
span. Six channels, 6 model memories, a good mix of features and
convenience
that will carry you a long way. The link is to a package that is good for
parkflyers, but there are other packages if you need larger/stronger
components for larger planes. For about $30 more than the Laser 4 radio you
are miles ahead in capability!

Airtronics VG 6000 - $165
http://www.airtronics.net/VG6000.htm
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXEUY5**&P=7
This particular package is very attractive for small electrics. Comes with
two
small servos AND a 20 amp ESC. 6 channels, 4 model memories, a good mix of
features to carry you forward. The VG 6000 is also available with larger
components so it can also fly glow planes, and TD gliders that need greater
range than the DX6 offers.

There are lots of other good choices in computer radios that have more
channels, more features and a higher price. however these would be
excellent
choices for the first time radio buyer or someone stepping up from RTFs who
knows they will continue in the hobby.

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