Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
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I would not go with the Six series as I did it with a FW-190. It is too powerful which limits throttle throw and it needs mods to the gearbox. What works perfectly is the Align 430 3550KV. It gives you 250-300 watts, no throttle limitations and fits right into the standard gearbox. Just locktite the mounting screws. $48 verses $75 for a lighter, easier motor. Its in my spit, upgrade my FW-190 and will be going in all other Parkzones.
I would not go with the Six series as I did it with a FW-190. It is too powerful which limits throttle throw and it needs mods to the gearbox. What works perfectly is the Align 430 3550KV. It gives you 250-300 watts, no throttle limitations and fits right into the standard gearbox. Just locktite the mounting screws. $48 verses $75 for a lighter, easier motor. Its in my spit, upgrade my FW-190 and will be going in all other Parkzones.
Astro,
Where you able to get any watt readings for the Align motor. I just recently got one with a 35 amp ESC. I did a bench test using it with a "Watts Up" meter and came up 427 watts at 42.9 amps. Does this correlate to what you are getting. What are your flight times?
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Its is the 3550 KV motor and is listed as an outrunner, but its has the shape of an inrunner. The ESC has a bunch of features such as adjustable motor timing and throttle response. The ESC is an Align 35 amp.
The numbers I came up with are static bench test numbers with the stock PZ GB 3-1 ration and stock PZ 10x8 prop. The motor is definitely powerful and has proportional throttle response, but at 400+ amps and 42 watts is way to high. This motor might work well as a outrunner for an Ultrafly product.
Astro, let me know what you come up with.
The numbers I came up with are static bench test numbers with the stock PZ GB 3-1 ration and stock PZ 10x8 prop. The motor is definitely powerful and has proportional throttle response, but at 400+ amps and 42 watts is way to high. This motor might work well as a outrunner for an Ultrafly product.
Astro, let me know what you come up with.
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
alabama,
good to read you got things sorted out and that you're flying and enjoying the model...that last prop nut should be on there pretty right...i recommend getting a self locking nut...they have a nylon insert which prevents it from backing out...you can also use locktite (threadlock) but it's more expensive then a self locking...you also have to apply it everytime you remove and replace the nut and you have to wait for it to cure...hope this helps...
good to read you got things sorted out and that you're flying and enjoying the model...that last prop nut should be on there pretty right...i recommend getting a self locking nut...they have a nylon insert which prevents it from backing out...you can also use locktite (threadlock) but it's more expensive then a self locking...you also have to apply it everytime you remove and replace the nut and you have to wait for it to cure...hope this helps...
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aetc,
that align 3550 kv motor is rated for 28a...if your static numbers are correct, then the motor is being overloaded...depending on what batt you're using, you also run the risk of overdischarging it...if you want to use the motor and get the amps down, then you should look at a 4:1 or 5:1 gear ratio and/or decreasing the prop size...
that align 3550 kv motor is rated for 28a...if your static numbers are correct, then the motor is being overloaded...depending on what batt you're using, you also run the risk of overdischarging it...if you want to use the motor and get the amps down, then you should look at a 4:1 or 5:1 gear ratio and/or decreasing the prop size...
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aetc,
that align 3550 kv motor is rated for 28a...if your static numbers are correct, then the motor is being overloaded...depending on what batt you're using, you also run the risk of overdischarging it...if you want to use the motor and get the amps down, then you should look at a 4:1 or 5:1 gear ratio and/or decreasing the prop size...
aetc,
that align 3550 kv motor is rated for 28a...if your static numbers are correct, then the motor is being overloaded...depending on what batt you're using, you also run the risk of overdischarging it...if you want to use the motor and get the amps down, then you should look at a 4:1 or 5:1 gear ratio and/or decreasing the prop size...
Yeah, I copy that. I might save this motor for something else. Possibly use it as a outrunner for the UF P-40, like we discussed earlier. Of course this is after I replace my PZ-Spit and of course Mustang 6 series after yesterday's radio hit. As I was sorting through the wreckage of the Stang I found the elevator locked at full down, while my tx had full up trim. I know when I took the radio hit I gave her full up stick so I am preatty sure the radio hit caused the crash. Sucks to say that I have all motors and no planes now.[:'(]
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
Hey, guys,
Please don't take this wrong but I believe the Align 3550kv can't pull 42 Watts but if that's what your seeing..... I have an Apollo 25 Amp ESC, Align 3550kv , stock Parkzone Gearbox, an a DN 15C 2150maH battery. I have flown the Spitfire 17 times for 168 minutes total (nearly 3 hours). My max flight was 17 minutes. My average time in ~12. The reason my avg over 17 flight is ~10 is because I had 3 5 minute flights to run my batteries down and one crash. I will shortly try to find my wattmeter but my motor and battery are just warm at the end of flight and I live in Florida. I hardly ever flight above 80% but have flown at 100% vertically at times. I will try to get you a reading in the next few hours.
Please don't take this wrong but I believe the Align 3550kv can't pull 42 Watts but if that's what your seeing..... I have an Apollo 25 Amp ESC, Align 3550kv , stock Parkzone Gearbox, an a DN 15C 2150maH battery. I have flown the Spitfire 17 times for 168 minutes total (nearly 3 hours). My max flight was 17 minutes. My average time in ~12. The reason my avg over 17 flight is ~10 is because I had 3 5 minute flights to run my batteries down and one crash. I will shortly try to find my wattmeter but my motor and battery are just warm at the end of flight and I live in Florida. I hardly ever flight above 80% but have flown at 100% vertically at times. I will try to get you a reading in the next few hours.
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
Astro,
Believe me, I like the throttle proportion and the power this motor puts out is crazy. Do you have specifics of the motor you are using? Is it the Align BL430L 3550KV?
Believe me, I like the throttle proportion and the power this motor puts out is crazy. Do you have specifics of the motor you are using? Is it the Align BL430L 3550KV?
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
Okay, i did a quick test with a battery that was not fully charged and with the Astro Flight Super watt meter and here is what I got:
Upon connection:
Volts: 12.27
Amps: .15
Watts 1
At full throttle:
Volts: 9.45
Amps: 32.05
Watts 304
I'm cooking another battery now and hope to have more info in about an hour.
Upon connection:
Volts: 12.27
Amps: .15
Watts 1
At full throttle:
Volts: 9.45
Amps: 32.05
Watts 304
I'm cooking another battery now and hope to have more info in about an hour.
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
Okay, Here is my test with full battery that was not fully charged and with the Astro Flight Super watt meter:
Upon connection:
Volts: 12.4
Amps: .15
Watts 1
At 25% Throttle:
Volts: 12.0
Amps: 3.1
Watts 36.23
At 50% throttle:
Volts: 11.15
Amps: 10.05
Watts 113
At full throttle:
Volts: 9.26
Amps: 32.06
Watts 304
Upon connection:
Volts: 12.4
Amps: .15
Watts 1
At 25% Throttle:
Volts: 12.0
Amps: 3.1
Watts 36.23
At 50% throttle:
Volts: 11.15
Amps: 10.05
Watts 113
At full throttle:
Volts: 9.26
Amps: 32.06
Watts 304
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
That seems strange, mine are way out there. To confirm is this the exact motor you have.
[link]http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS.T.Rex.Align.Brushless.430L.3550.php[/link]
[link]http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS.T.Rex.Align.Brushless.430L.3550.php[/link]
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
That is the one!
I'm using an Apex Mk3 15C 2100mah battery. Maybe that is why I'm seeing only 32-34 Amps and 300 Watts. Using a 35 Amp ESC is over kill but like my friends FW-190, he just linits his throttle. If Align had a 3200KV motor with the same pyshical size it would be perfect. This is the only 3.17 mm shaft motor that is 27.5 mm wide and beveled to fit into the gearbox. It is perfect and it has a ton of power.
I'm using an Apex Mk3 15C 2100mah battery. Maybe that is why I'm seeing only 32-34 Amps and 300 Watts. Using a 35 Amp ESC is over kill but like my friends FW-190, he just linits his throttle. If Align had a 3200KV motor with the same pyshical size it would be perfect. This is the only 3.17 mm shaft motor that is 27.5 mm wide and beveled to fit into the gearbox. It is perfect and it has a ton of power.
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
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Yes it is a BL 430XL 3550kv
Yes it is a BL 430XL 3550kv
Better yet here is a page from Align website. I wonder if we are looking at 2 different motors.
[link]http://www.align.com.tw/shop/index.php?cPath=22_67&language=en[/link]
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
Astro,
I think I may have found the answer. I took a watt meter reading with an old TPS 11.1, 2100 (not fully charged).
Align 430L-3550KV
TPS 2100mah, 11.1, 10-12C sustain, 16C burst
Base batt voltage:11.74v
WOT
8.63 volts
289.2 watts
33.32 amps
So I guess this motor will work with a lower C rated battery, but if used with a TPS prolite 15C/24C burst, you are looking at 400+watts and 42 amps discharge.
Hint to self: use a lower C batt with this setup.
I think I may have found the answer. I took a watt meter reading with an old TPS 11.1, 2100 (not fully charged).
Align 430L-3550KV
TPS 2100mah, 11.1, 10-12C sustain, 16C burst
Base batt voltage:11.74v
WOT
8.63 volts
289.2 watts
33.32 amps
So I guess this motor will work with a lower C rated battery, but if used with a TPS prolite 15C/24C burst, you are looking at 400+watts and 42 amps discharge.
Hint to self: use a lower C batt with this setup.
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
Anuone have any videos of them and here spitty??? I would like to know of any tricks you can do because i am doing some but there simple and kinda pathetic and i would like to expan my horizons...
I am creating a video it will be done by tuesday if anyone would like to see it. My friend chases and catches the plane on fly-bys and we fly it low and upside down and stupid things like that ... I love this plane!!!!!!!!!!!
Mathieu m
I am creating a video it will be done by tuesday if anyone would like to see it. My friend chases and catches the plane on fly-bys and we fly it low and upside down and stupid things like that ... I love this plane!!!!!!!!!!!
Mathieu m
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
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That is the one!
I'm using an Apex Mk3 15C 2100mah battery. Maybe that is why I'm seeing only 32-34 Amps and 300 Watts. Using a 35 Amp ESC is over kill but like my friends FW-190, he just linits his throttle. If Align had a 3200KV motor with the same pyshical size it would be perfect. This is the only 3.17 mm shaft motor that is 27.5 mm wide and beveled to fit into the gearbox. It is perfect and it has a ton of power.
That is the one!
I'm using an Apex Mk3 15C 2100mah battery. Maybe that is why I'm seeing only 32-34 Amps and 300 Watts. Using a 35 Amp ESC is over kill but like my friends FW-190, he just linits his throttle. If Align had a 3200KV motor with the same pyshical size it would be perfect. This is the only 3.17 mm shaft motor that is 27.5 mm wide and beveled to fit into the gearbox. It is perfect and it has a ton of power.
http://www.align.com.tw/shop/product...roducts_id=962
although the motors are designed for heli use, i see no reason why you can't use them in planes as long as your setup does not exceed the specs of your components...
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
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Astro,
I think I may have found the answer. I took a watt meter reading with an old TPS 11.1, 2100 (not fully charged).
Align 430L-3550KV
TPS 2100mah, 11.1, 10-12C sustain, 16C burst
Base batt voltage:11.74v
WOT
8.63 volts
289.2 watts
33.32 amps
So I guess this motor will work with a lower C rated battery, but if used with a TPS prolite 15C/24C burst, you are looking at 400+watts and 42 amps discharge.
Hint to self: use a lower C batt with this setup.
Astro,
I think I may have found the answer. I took a watt meter reading with an old TPS 11.1, 2100 (not fully charged).
Align 430L-3550KV
TPS 2100mah, 11.1, 10-12C sustain, 16C burst
Base batt voltage:11.74v
WOT
8.63 volts
289.2 watts
33.32 amps
So I guess this motor will work with a lower C rated battery, but if used with a TPS prolite 15C/24C burst, you are looking at 400+watts and 42 amps discharge.
Hint to self: use a lower C batt with this setup.
if you want to use a lower c rated batt, then you need to go up in mah to make sure the batt can supply the current the setup will draw...a 10c 4000 mah batt can supply 40a just like an 8c 5000 mah batt can...the problem with the higher mah batts will be their weight...hence the reason for a 20c 3s 2100 batt which can supply 42a continously and probably 60a burst but weigh half as much as a 10c 3s 4000 mah batt....hope this helps...
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The Spits can be mod to use retracks, I set them up on mine. The electronics have a jumper labled gear on the reciever. So when your servors plug into that and you go from low rate to hi rate the wheels will retract. Now I already set the spits with a 3200kv brushless and 3s 2100 lipo so I dont know how the retracts effect the weight of the plane stock.
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Yes, please post some pics of your retract setup. I have yet to see a single picture of this done.
Where you got the retracts from would be worth mentioning as well.
thanks
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Where you got the retracts from would be worth mentioning as well.
thanks
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My spit is on its way..ups needs to hurry up!.. I am looking at those tower pro combos at unitedhobbies... will any of them be worth a damn for the spit? These BL numbers havnt sunk in yet. I have 4 channel lab scopes and fluke meters and can fix a broke down computer controlled gas engines but after work trying to consume all this info on a worn out brain seems challenging. I dont need alot of speed a little more than stock would be nice but mostly I would like more flight time and some more pulling power. What do ya think?
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My spit is on its way..ups needs to hurry up!.. I am looking at those tower pro combos at unitedhobbies... will any of them be worth a damn for the spit? These BL numbers havnt sunk in yet. I have 4 channel lab scopes and fluke meters and can fix a broke down computer controlled gas engines but after work trying to consume all this info on a worn out brain seems challenging. I dont need alot of speed a little more than stock would be nice but mostly I would like more flight time and some more pulling power. What do ya think?
My spit is on its way..ups needs to hurry up!.. I am looking at those tower pro combos at unitedhobbies... will any of them be worth a damn for the spit? These BL numbers havnt sunk in yet. I have 4 channel lab scopes and fluke meters and can fix a broke down computer controlled gas engines but after work trying to consume all this info on a worn out brain seems challenging. I dont need alot of speed a little more than stock would be nice but mostly I would like more flight time and some more pulling power. What do ya think?
You could just go inrunner and use the stock GB. If this is the case, you will need a 28mm can sized BL motor (3000 KV or lower), a 25-40 amp ESC (based on the KV of your motor) and a 32P 12 T pinion 3.2 mm pinion gear. Of course, a good 3s 2100 mah lipo battery and charger.
From United's website
Motor:[link]https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4201[/link]
ESC: [link]https://www.unitedhobbies.com/UNITEDHOBBIES/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2164[/link]
Pinion: [link]http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=RRP0120[/link]
Hope this helps
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RE: Parkzone Supermarine Spitfire Mk11B
Hey, there. I looked at this motor and its 28.2 mm wide. How does it fit in the standard gear box? It is also almost 50 grams heavier than the Align 430L. I love the price but is this a Bit@# to put in.