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Old 12-17-2006, 06:27 PM
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Default Hobbyzone Super Cub on Floats!

Here are the smaller pictures of my float project.
I have removed the lower rods that you can see in these pics. I now have the gear mounts on the upper rods:













I have since made a plexiglass mount for the rear gear, sticking it in the hole was just to line things up.
Also, you can see my wing strut mod in this picture:



First float test video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...25793941804453

12-15-2006 - I had my maiden float flight today! Mounting the floats forward 1/2" helped a lot.

I still get a little bit of water hitting the prop but it accelerates much better now and once up on step the water doesn't hit the prop.

It flies nicely and lands well (I need some float landing practice though!) but the handling on the water is awful. It could've been the little bit of wind we had today but it was tough to keep it going in a straight line for takeoff and took a few tries to get it back to me on the shore.

I fabricated a very small water rudder that attaches to the tailwheel with tape and/or zip ties so hopefully I'll get to try that out tomorrow.

I got a bunch of videos and will post them up probably Sunday.

Oh yeah, I had a nice crash I'm sure you'll all enjoy... I had to wait 15 minutes for the Cub to float (upside-down) to the shoreline because I had no kayak or fishing rod with me.

12-17-2006 - Second float flight video - this one is edited with titles, credits, etc...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...52225112700116

And here is the splash landing video for your viewing pleasure.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86094349379199

Paddle of shame.....



But the Cub is still airworthy... just shake a little water off and she's good to go...

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Old 12-17-2006, 07:30 PM
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Thanks for the thread!

That's some good thinking!

I like it!
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:21 PM
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Default RE: Hobbyzone Super Cub on Floats!

I didn;t read the entire last thread but can I ask what you used for the floats? I know its foam but where you got it? And did you use a hot wire to cut it?
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Default RE: Hobbyzone Super Cub on Floats!

They were a kit from GWS. Believe it or not the kit is very cheap, under $10.

The catch is, there is a lot of work involved in building and mounting them.

You'll need lots of epoxy, tape, two 2-56 size rods (preferrably with one end threaded) and some medium neoprene R/C fuel tubing.

Tools needed: xacto knife, smallest quality phillips head you can find - eyeglass repair kit size - not sure how quality those are though.

For attaching the rear gear I used a small piece of plexiglass and cut it to fit on the Cub. I'll get some detailed pics of the final design up soon.
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Old 12-18-2006, 12:35 AM
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Default RE: Hobbyzone Super Cub on Floats!

Well I just ordered 2 set of floats off ebay. Shipping is free for the second set so I figured I better get 2 of them. Here is the link

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...4129&rd=1&rd=1


Not too bad of a price either.
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Old 12-18-2006, 11:09 AM
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That'll probably come out to be about the same as Tower hobbies after shipping.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHCR6&P=7
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On 8/20/2006 the SC with GWS floats was born by the hand of bookboy22 in Woodbridge, ON. CANADA. A big hats off to FlyinLo of D, NH, USA for putting the gas on the fire![sm=thumbs_up.gif]

Bookboy22 notes 8/20/06

I had three great flights today. Wind was <10mph. Picked up two of the 8cell optional batteries that I ordered last week, and also picked up the GWS floats. Just finished the float kit build. It took approx 2 hours to build. The floats fit almost perfect to the CG, while using the stock SC gear. I used the pre bent GWS gear on the rear. What a fluke that was. I just had to epoxy a small piece of rc plywood to support the rear float gear. The float step is 1" behind the CG, and I hope thats ok. It will take 5min to convert back to the wheel setup for field flying. Amazing, as I still want to fly at the club grass field. The GWS floats look very cool on the SC. I just have to be carefull about those cross wind blowovers, as I've heard the GWS beaver does. I will post pictures soon.

Bookboy22 notes 8/21/06

Oh ya, I had my first maiden float flight today at the pond. Wind was 5-10mph. She looks beautiful in the water with the GWS floats. I would say her balance is almost perfect. Not bad for my first attempt at installing floats. The GWS floats are a little on the small side and I'm sure if the winds were stronger than 10mph, she would flip in a cross wind. I flew her twice with the new 8-cell batteries. If your going to fly the SC with floats, you will need that extra take off power. For take off, I pushed the throttle gradually up to 100%, and just had to pull full back on the elevator until she got up on plain. As soon as she reached plain, I reduced the elevator and off she took into the air. Don't try and climb like a nut, or she will stall and roll over. I understand what the pendulum effect is now. You just have to be soft with your controls. My maiden float take off was nothing pretty, but she managed to keep climbing. For my landing, I cut the throttle, glided her in, and landed her as if I was landing on the club grass field. Turning her around in the wind was a little difficult, and she wanted to turn back into the wind. With 1/4 throttle and some elevator she stears prettly good with the rudder. What ever you do, don't try flying with floats if the wind is 10+mph. I'm having so much fun with the SC.

Now I need a field/car charger, as the stock car charger will not charge the 8-cells. Anyone have suggestions other than the Hobbico MKII. What about the new Parkzone PKZ1519 5-10 Cell DC Peak Charger 1.8amp. It only charges one battery at time though.

Bookboy22 notes 8/22/06

I decided to re design the GWS float setup. The stock SC gear and the prebent GWS gear are approx 7 1/4" length. I just wasn't happy with that float spread setup on the SC, as cross wind blow overs were just a matter time. I used the two 12" unbent rods that came with the GWS kit, and increased the length to 10 1/4". I bought two 2-56 12" Dubro fully threaded rods and cut them down to 10 1/2". I also got some fuel tubing to hold the gear ends onto the threaded rods. After my two float flights yesterday, I decided that the float step was too far back from the CG, so I moved the gear back 1/2" on the wood mounts. The step is now only 1/2" back from the CG and water taxing is much smoother with less forward wake. I had three great flights tonight. The SC now takes off much better. I even used the 7-cell battery pack on my third flight, and had no problems taking off. Of course the 8-cell packs have more power. I would do two takeoffs and landings per charge, and flew around at 1/2 throttle for 10min. The wind was 5mph. Here are some pictures of my SC after this evenings flights. Man I love this SC.

Bookboy22 notes 8/27/06

I've had 14 flights with my GWS floats which are not 25 size floats. The GWS floats are 3in to short to be scale. floamfloats.com sell their 25 size floats, which are 25in. The eflite floats are 28in and they don't look scale with the SC. You would also have to rig up your own gear, as the eflite gear is way to heavy for the SC. The winds were 15mph+ tonight, and I should have listened to my better half, but I went up anyway, and almost crashed her twice on takeoffs. The wind gusts would picked her up on takeoff runs and throw her around until she gained enough air speed. Once she stabilized, I could relax at little but I still had to be carefull not to make any super hard turns. Landings were also very tricky tonight, as I had to keep her close to the wind protected shore line. She flipped taxing once due to the strong cross winds.

Bookboy22 notes 8/28/06

I had 7 more great float flights today, and shot some pictures and video at the pond. Here are the pictures, and the links to the takeoff and landing video's. It was tough taking the landing video, as I had to turn my back to the plane, bend down and hit the record button, and then land the plane. Winds were 5mph today.

Takeoff 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYDA6p7h1hE
Takeoff 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXy69BBJSj0
Landing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xut0e9Jrt5c

Bookboy22 notes 8/31/06

You know what, water spashing is really not an issue with my GWS float setup. The water never seams to spash up into the battery compartment. It's the cross wind flips that scare me, as the half the cowl submerges and water can get through the front ACT eye hole. Of course I always dry out the electrics with a hair drier when I get home, but they never look wet. On windy days after I land the SC, I will just let the SC drift backwards to shore using some rudder input to keep her nose pointed directly into the wind. If you try and use the engine to turn her around and bring her back, you can and will flip. I've done it twice now. I'm really not in a huge rush after I land her, and like to have a smoke between flights. If you go with the GWS floats, just make sure you have delt with any leaks. I use water grade silcone for that.

Bookboy22 notes 9/1/06

I've used 30min epoxy to glue the plywood float support to the fuselage. I'm not sure if the foam safe ca is better? I've pulled the battery box front frame off the zfoam on some grass field float landings. The front gear takes abuse with floats. I tried the 30min epoxy, but the frame has pulled away again. What's the best stuff for plastic to zfoam?

Bookboy22 notes 12/16/06

Hey Bigtone,

It's been a while since I have posted anything on this thread. I'm happy that some of you float boys have adopted my original GWS float setup. My SC must have 100 float flights by now and another 100 stock flights. This plane just keeps flying. Hats off to Hobby Zone for setting a new standard.


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Default RE: Hobbyzone Super Cub on Floats!

Well I went ahead and ordered the GWS beaver too. I have a serious problem according to the wifey.......LOL. I told her I was selling a bunch of my cars and trucks to have more room.....thats all. I forgot to tell her the room was for heli's and airplanes. She's a good ole gal.
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Default RE: Hobbyzone Super Cub on Floats!

Gws float kits for $9.97 and $8.92 with free shipping at Advantage Hobby!

http://www.advantagehobby.com/?manuf...rid=94&cat=692
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Anybody have any new vid's[8D]
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i was wondering what you need the fuel tubing for, thanks

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ORIGINAL: FlyinLo

They were a kit from GWS. Believe it or not the kit is very cheap, under $10.

The catch is, there is a lot of work involved in building and mounting them.

You'll need lots of epoxy, tape, two 2-56 size rods (preferrably with one end threaded) and some medium neoprene R/C fuel tubing.

Tools needed: xacto knife, smallest quality phillips head you can find - eyeglass repair kit size - not sure how quality those are though.

For attaching the rear gear I used a small piece of plexiglass and cut it to fit on the Cub. I'll get some detailed pics of the final design up soon.
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Old 01-24-2007, 10:27 AM
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If you look at the top at FyinLo's pic you will see the fuel tubing . If you plan to do this mod all the info is up above!

To all who are new to this thread please read and you will find it all here[sm=shades_smile.gif]

[quote]ORIGINAL: Bookboy22 notes 8/22/06

I decided to re design the GWS float setup. The stock SC gear and the prebent GWS gear are approx 7 1/4" length. I just wasn't happy with that float spread setup on the SC, as cross wind blow overs were just a matter time. I used the two 12" unbent rods that came with the GWS kit, and increased the length to 10 1/4". I bought two 2-56 12" Dubro fully threaded rods and cut them down to 10 1/2". I also got some fuel tubing to hold the gear ends onto the threaded rods.


[quote]ORIGINAL: acarter

i was wondering what you need the fuel tubing for, thanks

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ORIGINAL: FlyinLo

They were a kit from GWS. Believe it or not the kit is very cheap, under $10.

The catch is, there is a lot of work involved in building and mounting them.

You'll need lots of epoxy, tape, two 2-56 size rods (preferrably with one end threaded) and some medium neoprene R/C fuel tubing.

Tools needed: xacto knife, smallest quality phillips head you can find - eyeglass repair kit size - not sure how quality those are though.

For attaching the rear gear I used a small piece of plexiglass and cut it to fit on the Cub. I'll get some detailed pics of the final design up soon.

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Default RE: Hobbyzone Super Cub on Floats!

I have just finished my gws float mod and here's some pic's on my second out of three SC'S. I put PZ wing skids on the rear bottom of the floats and Yes, I've been on the ball lately 8-)


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New pic's and writeups on Super Cub Club and Amp Aviators!
http://www.ampaviators.com/articlefloat/
http://supercubclub.proboards78.com/...ead=1169958565
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My hat is off to you nuts. You've renewed my interest in my old super cub. I think its time to pull her out of the closet and slap some $10 floats on her and maybe have a lil fun comming home from work.

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Hey, Palm Bay! I lived in Melbourne for 2.5 years. Went to Florida Tech.
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Hey's guy I live in Titusville!
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is there any certain area of where the floats have to be positioned? because im completely confused...do you have to have the tips of the floats ahead of the prop? will it take off with the slightly behind?
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It help if the prop is behind the tip of the floats. The key is the have the tip of the floats cut threw the water not push it. It also help with taking off because, the prop tip will make contact with the water if to far forward. This will help, [link=http://supercubclub.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=flts]SuperCub Club [/link]
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Mine seems just about right for me. Tips are just barely in front of prop. Full throttle, Full UP. . . ease forward on stick to lift back of pontoons off surface of water, and then gentle up elevator to rise away. Much appreciation for this thread. Happy Thanksgiving too.
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Sinai what is that rear gear mount you have on?
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your setup just looks so good, and I want to make something similar to that, because as i found out there was no way that just using an elastic to hold the rear gear was going to work...
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how do i add pictures?
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you guys have floats that are very wide...are they supposed to be? is it bennefitial to have them wider? lol, sorry for all the questions...
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thanks! You can post pics by "Quote" "Edit" or "Reply" buttons at the top right corner of any post (edit's only on yours). You can find the "POST REPLY" button on the bottom of any page and do it there too. Click "upload images and files" and browse your computer for pics to post. "FAST REPLY" doesn't let you post pics.

My rear gear is the same one that comes in the GWS-535 kit, and I did it like flyinlo did (pics above in 1st post). THE DIFFERENCE IN MINE IS I used velcro tape on the fuselage, and an old firewall from a Parkzone Super Decathlon (basically a flat piece of plastic) and put a slit into it to poke the gear through it. Velcro taped it as well, and in this way the piece of plastic stabilizes the gear inside the fuselage's hole (see flyinlo's pic of the rear gear and imagine a plastic cover over that hole the gear goes through.

One more thing: GORILLA GLUE your 3-hole panel into the fuselage underneath the plane. It WILL COME OUT UNDER STRESS. the only thing holding it in place is cheap double sticky tape.

Yes, wider is better. 10 inches sounds good. IT CAN TOPPLE sitting on the surface in a crosswind.
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