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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    great shots!
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Luftflotte, Achtung!

    Messerschmitt motors do indeed seem to be fairly easily damaged. I just ordered my second 109 motor after a pilot error caused disaster in my living room.

    My theory is that carefully balanced props, spinners, and prop nuts may help keep these now increasingly obvious mechanically weak motors together. If my approach fails to work I will also be in the market for a tougher motor that can substitute for the stock one. Naturally, I would have to insist on equal or better power than stock as a number of you have already done.

    I am going to try some carbon fiber reinforcement/repair work to see if the stock motors can be salvageable. The latest damaged motor got pretty hot and I am wondering if some of the windings may have gotten shorted out. Any ideas from experienced brushless motor fans would be very much appreciated.

    paladin, AMEN to glazier's comment!

    Please keep those reports coming in. I may have to end up copying what some of you are doing in order to keep my machines on active duty

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Mad, i bought all the parts i mentioned from hobby king! got the motor for $25 + shipping and flew it off the stock speed control and my original 3s1p battery the rest of last year. for this year i upgraded to the new speed control and 4s1p batt and i'm not going back.

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Have to add my name to the list of new PZ/BF109 owners.I love this plane. I have had four flights and all ended in crashes.My first flight was a hand launch, gave it more throttle than i should have and the torque pulled it left, i was able to save it and was on the way to an exciting fun filled flight untill the prop,spinner and nut came off in flight.Now i am having problems with a pull to the left and then a tip stall.I have been able to glue it back together each time. Do you think its all out of wack due to being repaired so much, or should i just go back and try to get everything to original set up. Everything on the plane is stock. Thanks
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    I guess i answered my own question. Took the 109 to the field this morning, used lots of right rudder and brought the bird up on its mains and added power slower this time . The 109 took to the sky with ease. I flew three packs of 2200 s had one good landing on the mains without pitching up on the nose the rest sucked.This is my first plane ,i have been flying helis only.The landings will take some time to get the hang of.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    If this is your first plane, then I would say your doing fairly well!

    congrats!

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Thanks glazie 808,it's lots of work but very rewarding.I love the war birds and plan to improve my skills so i don't look to bad in front of the airplane guys.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    well for what its worth, by the time you've read this I would have made a smok'n hole of any whirlybird I was pilot of lol.


    like balancing a pin on the head of a pin lol.

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    motor, welcome! WOW! Amazing first flights! You may have noticed on past posts that some experienced flyers have developed negative feelings about the 109 as a result of their first flight experiences with it. But, here you are conquering the sky as a beginning airplane pilot - most amazing story I have ever heard.

    By the way, have you checked your motor to see if it has been damaged? Two of my 109 motors were rather easily damaged. I ordered replacements and one runs nicely but I just ordered a third motor today in exchange for a sub standard performing one that I had just recently purchased. Although the current draw is around 20 amps, the prop thrust is maybe 10% or more down from my other three stock motors. Please keep on informing us about your experiences.

    paladin, looks like you got a really great deal. Let us know how well your new equipment performs.

    Casey, although I "repaired" a small helicopter for some young friends and tried to test fly it, about all I could do was hover with it. Once I tried to maneuver, it was all over. The kids seemed to be pleased with my repair job, so I guess I might be able to do some things right with whirly birds.

    After the war I might do more with helicopters. For now, of course, heroic fighter planes are absolutely essential for inspiring maximum militancy against the real fascists who are bound and determined to make slaves out of all of us who refuse to parrot the regime's party line.

    I hope Messerschmitt motors will be strengthened and power output kept at least at the same or possibly even better than those on the early production runs.

    Rolling in! (I stole this neat fighter plane language but haven't yet been able to find out from where.)


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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    I'ts been kind of windy the last few days and i have not been able to fly my 109,but i have had a chance to go over all the settings and get all surfaces lined up. Seems with this light of an airplane everything needs to be correct.Also took one posters advice and bent the gear foward and out just a bit and it makes take offs alittle better.Also i am having trouble getting the bird down it wants to float. Should i fly it at the run way then reduce power and try to touch down with just a bit of power.thanks.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    A shot of my BF109 and a couple of helis. After i am a better pilot i plan on replacing the 109 fuselage, i hate seeing damage on such a nice model.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    The Messerschmitt is different from the T-28 in fourmajor ways.

    1. It has a bigger motor and prop and is quite a bit more powerful
    2. the three bladed prop has a tendency to pull things to the left
    3. the landing gear provides a narrow stance.
    4. the plane tip stalls easily

    So. You need to take off by applying power more slowly than you would with other planes. Rather than punch it to full throttle, move it there slowly and give it some right rudder to compensate for the thrust vector.If you do that you will take off just fine. Landing needs to be done under power to prevent a tip stall. Fly it onto the ground and, when the wheels touch, kill the throttle and give it up elevator toput the tail down. Be sure to keep the wings level on approach and all the way to the ground. The plane rolls better on axis than the T-28 with less coupling. it is a better aerobat in general. it wants to climb incessantly under full throttle. The plane really flies better at 3/4 throttle or less.

    PZ sells a two blade prop spinner for it. You can put a 12X12 or 12X10 prop on it and it behaves more like other models such as the T-28 in tems of the thrust vector. However, the 3 blade prop is more scale and killer looking.


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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Oberst motor, WOW again! Fellow Messerschmitt comrades, please correct me if I am missing something but the Oberst (Colonel in allied forces) seems to be perfectly zeroed in on the solution to good landings. I added extra "tow in" to minimize ground looping with my gear so far forward, but have been busy with other airplanes and haven't gotten back to my flapped/landing gear equipped 109 yet.

    fmw, nice shot!

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Hi,
    Is there a big difference betwen the bf109g's motor(15e) and the Parkzone Corsair's(480). Because I want to get a corsair but I don't think it will have a lot of power with the 480.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    The motors are different in size and spec. The 109 stock motor ia a P-O-S. I've had no problems with the stock power system in my Corsair.or T28.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Pilot, I can sympathize with Max and others who have experienced the weakness of 109 motors. Out of loyalty to PZ more than anything else I am still trying to make the stock 109 motor work as has been stated earlier. Except for the substandard power level of the most recent motor I ordered and have sent back to exchange for one with original stock power capability, my bumbling behavior has mostly been to blame for my motor problems. I hope PZ will upgrade to a mechanically stronger motor.

    My two damaged motors have been "repaired" with carbon fiber and except for an "uneasy sound" when they run, power levels seem to be up to original stock performance. The lighter 109 easily pulls straight up using the stock three bladed prop. The heavier landing gear/flap equipped 109 using 12 inch SF APC two bladed props provide even better vertical performance than the lighter stock set up.

    The Corsair is a great plane but I had to develop special modified SF props for it in order to get the vertical performance needed for my requirements. The F4U's motor performs flawlessly, as does the motors on my GUNFIGHTERS. So far the 51's are my champion fighters for Park Flyer promotion demo work.

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Finally test flew the landing gear/flap equipped PZ Messerschmitt Bf 109G using the 12X3.8 APC SF prop in mid 80s degree F air today. The just mowed thick grass on the soccer field required maximum high rate elevator deflection in order to take off.

    The climb out at high rate elevator in an out of trim condition plane using a new DX7 was unnerving as was much of the flight. Tip stalling to the right, not noticed before, seems to suggest that there may be a little more tip weight there than needed. Although at full throttle at home the ship will pull straight up, out in the ten (10) or so degree higher temperature air, vertical performance was disappointing. In cooler weather I got great vertical performance with the 12X6 APC SF prop at only two (2) amps more current draw than the stock prop. More testing is needed.

    The landing ended with the plane upside down. I tried to taxi with full flaps and succeeded in flipping over. It was time to go home.

    On the positive side, the new replacement stock motor for my light 109 works perfectly. Now let's see how long these replacement motors can be made to power my fighters. Just happened to see a tough looking "25" brushless motor that might have to be bought just in case.


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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    I also did the flap mod, have not yet done the retracts. I did my first test flight today and the flaps not only look cool but work great. Slowed down landing speed making a wheel landing alot easier.I did have one problem, the motor gave out as i started my second take off roll. lots of noise and no power, hardly turn over by hand, further inspection discovered cracks in case.Thinking of going with an after market motor of same size.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Motor, sorry to hear about your motor. I will not be recommending that anyone else purchase a 109 until something is done to address the 109's motor problems. The two I am using in my 109s are still working well and I am somewhat confident that my two repaired motors probably have some life left in them.

    My problem at the moment is that I am addicted to the power and performance I have enjoyed in cooler weather with the stock motors. I really didn't expect to see such a difference in cool and hot weather performance that I seem to be experiencing with the Messerschmitts. I recently learned about a tough .25 size motor that looks like can be dropped right in the 109 that I think I am going to have to purchase. Shouldn't ever have to suffer from a lack of power again.

    I finally have the landing gear tuned for good ROG operation on Oregon's great crop of thick grass this year. The wheels are quite widely spaced, the wheel doors are trimmed on the bottom to minimize grass drag, axels are bent to minimize the splayed angle, they have some toe in, and they are located a full inch [actully it is more like 3/4 inch - hard to measure] ahead of the leading edge of the wing. With its extra "radiator flap area" the flying speed is disconcertingly slow when landing into a good breeze. My flapped 109 is a lot more fun to fly in calm conditions.

    Like the GUNFIGHTER, the thinner air density resulting from the higher air temperatures required that control deflection angles be set higher.



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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Hi guys - I've put a motor upgrade into my Gunfighter Mustang, I bought it from this guy on eBay who has an equivalent listing for the BF109 - http://cgi.ebay.com/Parkzone-BF-109-...item35aa6c9e86

    It was very easy to fit, all the holes were in the right places and the extra power makes the model a whole lot more fun. I had to shift the battery back a bit to compensate for the heavier motor up front, but it was well worth the investment. And don't forget to upgrade the ESC!

    You may like to try it on the BF109 to get rid of the problems with the Parkzone motors - all my Turnigy motors have performed properly out of the box, and still do.

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Hi. Just ordered a 109, 2 flap kits, 2 flap servos, and the y connector. Isaw several youtube movies of flap installs. Each of them did a form of splitting the inner radiator flaps. I read the online instructioins for the 109 and it doesn't discuss in detail installing the inner flaps. Does anyone know what the recommended procedure is from Parkzone? Thanks.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    OVERWHELMING MESSERSCHMITT VICTORY

    Today was a turning point in the air war. Flawless performance by both the flapped/landing gear equipped and the stock 109 really made my day, finally. I actually enjoyed the days festivities very much - very little stomach churning stress.

    Except for demos where the GUNFIGHTER will always fly (the upcoming Wildcat might give the 51 a run for the money here), solo flying sessions will feature the 109s only until further notice. I must test those "uncrashed 109 motors" to see just how long and well they will run with my special treatment with virtually perfectly balanced props, spinners and spinner nuts, as well as super lube applied to the bearings. In the meantime please keep those reports about stock motors coming. Please also indicate what if any balancing procedures have been used on said motor reports, thanks.

    Dave, great to see you over here on the enemy :<) thread! I tried to log on to your included link a number of times. The enemy denied me access.

    The 109s performed wonderfully adequately in the lower 70s degree sea level air today as opposed to the mid to high 80s density air in the past. After some very adequate performance flights with stock batteries, I used a four ounce 1200 mAh 30c 3 cell Lipo in the heavy 109 and enjoyed noticeably livelier performance. So, thanks for the heroic attempt to save our Messerschmitts. For now I won't be needing a bigger/better motor unless I blow up one of the ME's stock motors.

    ORIGINAL: deb0650

    Hi. Just ordered a 109, 2 flap kits, 2 flap servos, and the y connector. I saw several youtube movies of flap installs. Each of them did a form of splitting the inner radiator flaps. I read the online instructioins for the 109 and it doesn't discuss in detail installing the inner flaps. Does anyone know what the recommended procedure is from Parkzone? Thanks.
    Okay, flaps - I will be referring to page 13 of the instruction manual that also appears on the web. Picture # 4 shows where to cut the right wing flap from the bottom. Do the same thing to the left wing flap. Be sure the flap servos operate properly. You will have to take the flap servo arms off and be sure they are installed and adjusted as far back as possible when they are placed into the flap pockets. See picture # 1 for correct servo arm instillation for flaps up position. I drilled holes under those on the flap horns in order to obtain maximum flap deflection angles - not necessary. Check Step 9 on page 11 to set up all correct deflection angles. It would be very helpful if you could procure an instruction manuel.

    On the next link you can see how I added about 70% more flap area (also not necessary) by creating "radiator flaps." The plane really slows down nicely with all that extra scale flap area and they are really easy to make.

    I really had fun slowly flying that baby down toward me and landing softly a few yards away on my favorite soccer field today in the 5-10 MPH shifty winds. I ended up landing into the wind in several different directions. I almost did everything right on landings. Check wind direction by observing my taped on transmitter Micafilm streamer, set the plane up for a landing into the wind, check for obstructions in the landing path - this is where I almost blew it once. I touched down and stopped only a few feet from a soccer goal. After that close call I wised up and always checked the landing path.

    http://community-2.webtv.net/RICHARD...ORY/page7.html

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF


    ORIGINAL: mad web tv scientist

    Dave, great to see you over here on the enemy :<) thread! I tried to log on to your included link a number of times. The enemy denied me access.
    If you hop over to eBay and search"Parkzone BF-109 Motor mount upgrade for Turnigy" you'll land on the page. The seller goes by the name of "books-and-steam".

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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    Mad TV now that you have the 109 sorted out how was the CG. Did you have to add weight any place andis your battery fore or aft in the allotted battery area.Also on your retract mod were there any problems with the wing spar, such as cutting the spar. I called horizon yasterday and told them about my motor, just for the hell of it .They said they would ship a replacement motor out that day and if i had any further problems to call back. That was great,kudos to Horizon.
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    RE: Parkzone NEW Messerschmitt Bf-109G PNP and BNF

    ORIGINAL: motor12
    ..... I called horizon yasterday and told them about my motor, just for the hell of it .They said they would ship a replacement motor out that day and if i had any further problems to call back. That was great,kudos to Horizon.
    I've had two (2) STOCK PZ 109 motors crap out since last fall. The first one lasted for 12 flights and the other only had 5 before it suddenly **** the bed.
    I sent the 2nd motor out to HH yesterday as required before they would replace it just as I had done with the other one. Did you have to spend the time and $ to send themΒ* your motor prior to them sending you a replacement?

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