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Old 04-17-2007, 08:48 AM
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Default Best Glow PLug for Q-500 (Thunder Tiger Engine)

Hi Guys,


I have a Thunger Tiger Pro .40.

I normally run the K&B plugs. But there impossible to find. Does anyone know where to get them? Are they still being made? If not what are some of the plugs that you guys are running? What's the Best Pug?

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What fuel and muffler/pipe are you using? If you're running 0-15% nitro and the stock muffler go with an OS 8 or Enya #3. If your running more nitro or an "ultra muffler" try an OS A5 or R5, or an Enya #4 or #5. In short, the harder you push the motor the colder the plug.

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Old 04-17-2007, 09:27 AM
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In short, the harder you push the motor the colder the plug.
I think you have that the wrong way round. "Hot" plugs advance ignition, "Cold" plugs retard ignition. Higher Nitro content in fuel retards ignition. Therefore the higher Nitro in the fuel requires a"Hot" plug to restore the desired ignition timing.

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I use the Enya #3 for combat, low nitro. I presume that by asking for the TT 40 you are doing the 424 which requires stock engine, muffler, baffle. I've run up to 15% with solid results on that plug.
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I like the K&B's also, was always able to get them at the local hobby store. I like the HP's (High Performance) or 1L plugs.

If I couldn't find those, I found that the McCoy #9 plugs worked just as well. I had to go to the car section to get these.

Never made sense to burn the more expensive OS plugs, they weren't any better.
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I think you have that the wrong way round. "Hot" plugs advance ignition, "Cold" plugs retard ignition. Higher Nitro content in fuel retards ignition. Therefore the higher Nitro in the fuel requires a"Hot" plug to restore the desired ignition timing.
We will have to agree to disagree here. I see your point but my experience is not what you suggest nor does your logic go far enough to tell the full story. I've found that pushing an engine harder with more nitro and a pipe raises the overall stress and operating temperature of the engine to include the plug. This in turn requires a colder (and sturdier) plug to reduce timing and extend plug life to an acceptable level.

Plugs are something of a black art and what makes a hot or cold plug includes MANY interconnected factors. One of those is the the element itself. Hotter plugs often include a "lighter" element that often does not hold up well when stressed beyond "normal" sport flying. For example, I would not try running an OS A3 or F plug in a boat with 65% nitro or heli with 30%.

There are a lot of generalizations here but I will stick to my original statement. The harder you push the motor the colder the plug.

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https://shop.mecoa.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=81

If you really like K&B (and I do), order 'em from Randy.

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Those prices look high to me. I haven't bought a plug in a while, I use to buy out the 12pack cards of HP's when they came in. (not sure the locals appreciated this) and I remember them being in the 2.99 range, not O.S. like??
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Insane prices on plugs. Not so long ago, a card of 1S or 1L K&B plugs was $6
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ORIGINAL: HighPlains

Insane prices on plugs. Not so long ago, a card of 1S or 1L K&B plugs was $6
Not so long ago, glaciers covered Kansas.

I still consider $1.75 to $2.00 the right price for a standard long glow plug. It makes no sense to charge $4.75 each. The design is at least 50 years old, tooling hasn't increased that much, materials are readily available. Where's the expense?

Heck, even cell phones are cheaper now than they were 50 years ago!
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Plugs, like everything else, is what the market will bear. For about the 1st 10 years I modeled, K&B's and Fox plugs were .69c If cost is the only consideration, try some Fireballs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fireball-R-C-Glo...QQcmdZViewItem

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I've found that pushing an engine harder with more nitro and a pipe raises the overall stress and operating temperature of the engine to include the plug. This in turn requires a colder (and sturdier) plug to reduce timing and extend plug life to an acceptable level.
So in the above you advocate the use of a "Cold" plug with a high nitro piped engine.

Colder plugs often include a "lighter" element that often does not hold up well when stressed beyond "normal" sport flying. For example, I would not try running an OS A3 or F plug in a boat with 65% nitro or heli with 30%.
So in this quote you would not us a "Cold" plug in a high nitro engine

A little ambiguous?.

I quote from a knowledgable source "THE HOT GLOW PLUG" the hot plug retains the heat longer from cycle to cycle than a cold plug; it helps to start ignition earlier on the compression operation. Although the secondary compression period is reduced, the benefit to slow burning fuels is great, because they need more time to reach their peak pressure-slightly beyond TDC"

High Nitro fuel is a relatively slow burning fuel.

Remember the original question concerned a Thunder Tiger 40 sport engine, Not High nitro, Pipes and different element thicknesses.

I am finished here.

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Colder plugs often include a "lighter" element that often does not hold up well when stressed beyond "normal" sport flying. For example, I would not try running an OS A3 or F plug in a boat with 65% nitro or heli with 30%. [quote/]

So in this quote you would not us a "Cold" plug in a high nitro engine

A little ambigious?.
Sorry... You've caught me. That should have said "HOTTER (not colder) plugs often include a "lighter" element that often does not hold up well when stressed beyond "normal" sport flying. For example, I would not try running an OS A3 or F plug in a boat with 65% nitro or heli with 30%." You are correct, it didn't make much sense the way it was written. I have edited my post and made the correction. I'm sure you can forgive my carelessness. We all need an attention to detail lecture in our posting![:@] You've misspelled ambiguous and knowledgeable.



I quote from a knowledgable source
Who?



High Nitro fuel is a relatively slow burning fuel.
True; however, its addition in model two stroke fuels above about 15% is usually for performance reasons. Included with these performance goals usually comes higher cylinder pressures either though the use of a pipe, more nitro or higher compression. That implies a colder plug.



Remember the original question concerned a Thunder Tiger 40 sport engine, Not High nitro, Pipes and different element thicknesses.
Not forgotten... but... nitro content was not mentioned at all... nor was the exhaust system or head shims. I would remind YOU the question was in reference to Q-500 which would suggest the engine was not mounted in a Cub. I stick by my answer in post #2.


I am finished here.
Hmmm... I though we were just getting started


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Old 04-17-2007, 05:53 PM
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Hey Eddie. I had very good success with the MC59 (McCoy) plug in my 424 planes.
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So what is best cold of hot plug running a thunder tiger w/15% on 424 class?
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I use whatever is cheapest at the time.. but if I'm in the mood I will buy and do like is the McCoy #9. If they can handle a RC car motor then they can handle any Thunder Tiger 40. I think the MC #55 is pretty good. What sucks is having a new $8.00 plug not glow. How many times has that happened on the line.
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Default RE: Best Glow PLug for Q-500 (Thunder Tiger Engine)

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the input so far. Yes, I am flying the Thunder Tiger Pro .40 in a Viper for 424 class Q-500.


Thanks

Keep all the great info coming.

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Enya #3 works well in the TT46 when using no nitro............trevor h[:@]
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Colder plugs often include a "lighter" element that often does not hold up well when stressed beyond "normal" sport flying. For example, I would not try running an OS A3 or F plug in a boat with 65% nitro or heli with 30%. [quote/]

So in this quote you would not us a "Cold" plug in a high nitro engine

A little ambigious?.
Sorry... You've caught me. That should have said "HOTTER (not colder) plugs often include a "lighter" element that often does not hold up well when stressed beyond "normal" sport flying. For example, I would not try running an OS A3 or F plug in a boat with 65% nitro or heli with 30%." You are correct, it didn't make much sense the way it was written. I have edited my post and made the correction. I'm sure you can forgive my carelessness. We all need an attention to detail lecture in our posting![:@] You've misspelled ambiguous and knowledgeable.



I quote from a knowledgable source
Who?



High Nitro fuel is a relatively slow burning fuel.
True; however, its addition in model two stroke fuels above about 15% is usually for performance reasons. Included with these performance goals usually comes higher cylinder pressures either though the use of a pipe, more nitro or higher compression. That implies a colder plug.



Remember the original question concerned a Thunder Tiger 40 sport engine, Not High nitro, Pipes and different element thicknesses.
Not forgotten... but... nitro content was not mentioned at all... nor was the exhaust system or head shims. I would remind YOU the question was in reference to Q-500 which would suggest the engine was not mounted in a Cub. I stick by my answer in post #2.


I am finished here.
Hmmm... I though we were just getting started


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Hi!
Sorry ED! the more Nitro the colder plug you have to use.
This is what every pylonracer knows.
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The nitro doesn't matter. Whenever Ed burns a plug, he reaches for a cold one.

Oops, wrong thread! This should go under "Wood props"!
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Sorry ED! the more Nitro the colder plug you have to use.
This is what every pylonracer knows.
Ed and I have exchange PMs. I think we have a truce

I want to thank both of you guys for your input. It is knowledgeable poeple like yourself that help others, myself included, to learn new things about going fast. I read these threads to learn and I really appreciate the good input in these threads.
No worries mate. It was a good question that got a great thread started. Apparently the subject needs discussion!

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K&B 1S plugs for $2

http://www.chiefaircraft.com/cgi-bin...lScrapBox.html
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K&B 1S plugs for $2
Nice find. It suggests plugs can be made for under $6.95! Notice they are shorts though. Does anything need short plugs any more?



http://www.heliproz.com/prodinfo.asp?number=108535
I buy OS #8 by the card for 3.99.

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Hi!
If you want maximum rpm from your engine using 15% nitro you should try as cold plug you can.
Try a Rossi 6 or 7 or Nova Rossi 6or 7! Enya 3 or OS 8 plugs are rather hot for best rpm in ordinary sport .40 engines.


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