vertical grimmace

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So if that rule change were to occur, and all of the current fast engines are made illegal, which engine would be used? A Thunder Tiger? A Rossi?
The thing with Nelson is, write your rules and he will build an engine for it. Isn't that what happened with QM40?
If this change is an attack on Jett or Nelson it won't work because if they want to they will still be in the game.
I agree that slowed down 428 is 424 and so leave it alone and fly what you can afford.
At the end of last season, we had a race that flew the old short course for 424. I missed it but I heard it felt much like 428. I may do this at my race this year. Easy to do, just set up 2 pylon 1 poles and judge accordingly for class.

Ed Smith

An OS 40 LA. One of those blue ones.

Ed S

skull1971

The cost issue is funny to me, I want to race,,, say 424, I know I have to buy a plane, GP Viper $130.00. Lets see I have servos, reciever, and the other stuff. BUT wait I have an OS .46fx, or ax, like most of the modeling world, and it is illegal. $90.00 more dollars for an engine that is Ok at best.

So if ya'll want to get more people into pylon, then let us run what we have, open up 424 to any STOCK .45-.46 engines. Evo, TT, ST, OS, MDS, almost all of us have one of these and could use them. I would also say no sport Jett's, or engines like that.

That would keep cost down for the first time person, really he'd be racing for just the cost of a plane.

rmenke

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Vicman:

Somehow, you just can not make everyone happy. Some of the best fun monentsI have are our pre-race bantering and mind games looking for a small mental advatage during the next race or heat. Havent you ever stuck a toothpick on your motor for a pre-race run-up, and watched the faces of your prime competetors get concerned? Sort of like watching old bulls puffing up and kicking dirt prior to the girls being let into the pasture. Experience teaches to watch for the one sharpening his horns, not the one bellowing the loudest. No, never said I was king, fastest thing around. I will say that you will not find anyone else around my age that will put out more effort , time, money, practice, and intense flying just to kick a Buds tail. There are quite a few of our Brotherhood within a couple hours drive. Maby someday in the near future we can all get togeather on some neutral turf and get down where the rubber meets the road. Will never never ever run my engines in the desert, rabbits or no. ENJOY Bro 119

burgster

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Ed,
That is some funny stuff!!

Jeff

PylonDave

Toothpick on your motor????

Super Splatter

toothpick = a propeller of small size in attempt so sound faster on the ground

Left_Turn

An old Rev-up 8 3/4x6 1/2 cut down to about 7" and sanded really thin = tooth pic

PylonDave

Ah yes!!

vicman

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I only paid $75 for the last few TT .40s I bought I also would put them up against a 46AX any day.

vertical grimmace

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They are good motors and I found that having a 9-6 on all of the Skyraiders last year, it did not matter much which engine was chosen. It came down to flying the course well. As always!

rmenke

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Gang:

From the responses, you should be able to determine who the sneaky tretcherous types are. Avoid if possible, if not, watch closely. If you beat um, do not let them close to your plane or your gonna have a lean run, or something bad from quick slight of hand. The old needle into your fuel tube, turn the needle in 3/4 turn etc. Nice thing about being a old, bold racer. You have been scre$# by the best. ENJOY

garys

In almost 20 years of racing I've never seen any of those games played. If there's anybody that can get any satisfaction from winning by doing those things, they're pretty weak.

rmenke

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garys:

Sorry, a sick old attempt to be funny! But, I have seen all those things more than once, generally with me as the victum. Never at a big race though, and come to think about it, usually from our local gang of missfits. LIghten up just a little. ENJOY

DMyer

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Funny discussion.... hell... the 428's have been slowed down so much around my area... they don't race anymore! Can't get any slower than that.

You are all either living in the past or denying reality on the health of this sport. The time to have acted was years ago.

garys

I just don't get why so many areas have been stuck on running "428" when it's not a healthy class for their areas. In the southwest, we haven't seen a huge overall decline in racers, although we've lost races due to fields being lost, ect. The races we still have average close to the same numbers as the late 80's/early 90's. Most of the racers aren't the same as when I started, but we've brought new guys along over the years. If areas would be better off running something other than 428, they shouldn't be running 428!

Bill Vargas

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It must be the "mindset thing" to have a new LS(?)


BV

jeffk464

I've thought about getting into racing and from my perspective there is no way I would get into the 428 class. It costs way too much, and I dont think I would have any more fun then flying the 424 class

DonStegall

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Some of us have been working very hard toward improving the health of the sport. Some don't agree with our methods. However, the methods are starting to yield positive results. The results may not be reflected in an immediate increase in AMA racing, but within a couple of years the fruit will be there.

The RCPRO Board of Directors is a fine group that is making a lot of positive contributions to R/C Pylon Racing. I am proud to have such talent advising and working with me on efforts that we know will lead to a stronger sport.

What we all can do is be congenial and look for the positive that will result in good times for all. I have certainly made mistakes in this area. But I try to mend fences and I'm now friends with some people I had issues with in the past.

We will not all agree. And that is fine. But we can discuss problems and solutions without getting personal. And we can learn from those that are learning themselves. One smart guy said that we should let the guys that are the entry level racers determine what they need. This is good to a degree. The more experienced can offer insight that newcomers don't have a basis for. But the newcomers and more casual racers have opinions and thoughts that attention should be given to.

skull1971

Thanks Don!!

I've seen Don take a few hits on other threads for just trying to do what we seem to always come back to, getting more people into racing. I'm lucky to be in Texas at the moment, Club 40 is taking off (no pun), there are several clubs here on the schedule for 2008, and then the quickie-25 guys in Dallas. Low cost, easy rules, and a couple of pretty good planes. I know of 5 guys in my little club that are going to buy planes for next season, and when we show up at the field and "Play" more will want to join in. It's aready happened with me and my 428 planes, 2 others went out and got 424's.

As far as the cost issue, if the AMA crew change the rules and make the engines have a $250.00 limit, so what!!! A true racer will race, we'll pay whatever it takes. This hobby is not cheap anyway, what does a DA 50 cost $600.00? to do what? hover over the runway in an Edge 540? I wanted something different so I got a 170+mph toy, and all the 3D clowns get out of my way, because they like to watch too.

BUDMAN27

The answer is that no we cant get along ,nor will we ever get along. OH well thats life for you. Racing and arguing have always gone hand in hand. Just to let you know my 6 year old son and I have just signed up for 2008 AMA , so we are back in the game this year. Man is it cold down here in Galveston wright now I can,t wait till spring so we can dust off these Q-500 birds and race them again.

burgster

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Can't be that cold in Texas can it?

Jezmo

Not sure what it was at BUDMAN's but it was 33F here at my place in Spring this morning. I know by some standards that's nothing but to us native Texans that's COLD.

skull1971

"Dust them off," I flew today 12/16/2007. It was 39 Degrees when I left the field, at 6 p.m., but we had a great day of flying.

kane

I find these threads very interesting.

Of all the people posting on this thread, I only notice 2 names of pilots that have flown 428 this year. If you have flown, 428 and have replied to this thread please identify yourself.

A few months back, there were several discussions about our events exceeding the safety limit due to the introduction of the LS motor. Right or Wrong this was the discussion or should I say the "GRIPE". I decided to propose some changes, since NOBODY, took the time to introduce anything. Those proposals were directed to those that felt a change should be made. Like it or not times are changing. Because, I am a member of the contest board, I will keep my personal opinions to myself.

We have a proposal on the table for QM sport. It is a slower 422 event, why are we not complaining about that? After all it would require new airplanes, and new engines, and guess what it is slower.

Club 40, was introduced and is gaining momentum. It is slower and cheaper.

If any of you wish to discuss the proposals on the table please contact me.

Dan