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Old 07-02-2008, 01:13 PM
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To the Pylon Community

Thank you for the strong support for the NINJA Q-500 Composite Airplane Project. It’s encouraging to know that every airplane has flown well and is now winning races throughout the USA and Overseas!

NINJA’s are available for immediate shipment in WHITE, RED and YELLOW colors.

I will bring models to the NATS in Muncie. If you would like to reserve a model at the NATS, then let us know and I will make sure it your name on it. Picking it up at the NATS will save you the shipping cost, but you have to transport the models back home in your own shipping box.

For orders, reserving a model at the NATS or special requests, contact Jim Booker or Darrol Cady at the following addresses.

Jim Booker
425-238-1403
www.flycontrolline.com
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Darrol Cady
360-903-3520
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dcady@pacifier.com

To Summarize - My GOALS for the NINJA are as follows:

1. Produce a PREMIUM quality airplane that is of the highest quality I can provide.

2. Design an airplane that can be RACE READY in ONE evening of work

3. Make it available to everyone with a short lead time

4. Price is competitively in the marketplace but at a reasonable price for the quality provided.

I have NO Interest in providing a low quality, low price model from China. This is NOT what I want to do and if someone does it, it will only hurt the event in the short and long term future.

Again, thank you for your support for the NINJA Project. If anyone has tips on assembling or flying the models, then please include them on this thread.

Will Naemura
Adrenaline-Products, LLC
6555 SE 34th Ave.
Portland, OR 97202
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I saw one of these fly over this past weekend and it was very impressive. It was flown to 2nd place at this local race. It looked very smooth and is attarctive in that it is available and reasonably priced.
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Speaking of price, what does a new Ninja cost?

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John,
The prices on the Ninja are $499.00 plus shipping. Shipping is $35.00 for shjipping in the US for one or two Ninjas' in one box. International is $75.00 of one or two airplanes shipped in one box.

There is a picture of my Ninja on my website. WWW.DarrolCady.com. There are also instructions for painting with a rattle can... Worked great!

I have had one question come back to me. It was concerning the aileron links. There are two 4-40 threaded studs included with the kit. The torque tubes are threaded accordingly. When you assemble them, do put IC-2000 or equivilent on the stud before you insert it. Lots... The screw the stud in until it hits the top of the wing. Back it out about 3 turns and let it set until cured. After it is currec, then cut the studs off to about 1/2" from the bottom wing skin.

When drilling the mounting holes in the fuse for the tail and wing, use a piece of maksing tape to hole both of them in place and square with the fuse with a piece of masking tape. I wrapped a piece of masking tape around the #7 and the #25 drill bits to make them the same size as the holes in the wing and stab to help drill the holes centered. Future models will hae the wings drilled with #7 holes and the stabs with #25. No need to work at centering them when this is done.

Other than that, almost everything else is done for you. The blind nuts are in for the morot mount and the landing gear. The screws that come with it for the landing gear are 1/8" too long. If you do not cut the center one off, it will puncture your fuel tank. That too will be rectified in future shipments.

Do not be afraid to order a Ninja. They are a quality airplane and are very competitive. You will not be disappointed.

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Thanks for the info Darrol. That is a good price for a nice airplane. I saw Doug Clancy's this weekend and it was noticeably faster than the Vipers that were there.

No NATs for me this year; maybe next. Have Fun and break a blade!
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ORIGINAL: js3

Thanks for the info Darrol. That is a good price for a nice airplane. I saw Doug Clancy's this weekend and it was noticeably faster than the Vipers that were there.

No NATs for me this year; maybe next. Have Fun and break a blade!
I was at the same race and actually flew against Doug. His plane just looked very smooth. I was impressed.
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Hey All,
Just for reference we only shipped Doug's airplane a week ago so there you go, box to race very quick. You can order an airplane and be at the race that weekend!

Having built 7 of these things now during the development it has become pretty automatic to assemble one. Take a look at mine at the Nationals. Between Darrol, Will and I we should be able to hold a bit of a How-To session for anyone interested. Actually it is so easy most people wont wait for any hints, they will have it together in less time than it takes to ask the questions! But there are some hints that make it bullet proof. This airplane is durable enough to stay looking like new after traveling to a number of cross country contests and at least one landing argument with a saftey barrier.

Any questions feel free to ask
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www.flycontrolline.com (actually we fly everything .com!!) Check out the new .049 combat/FF engine at the nats.

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Anyone use this plane for 424? Are the elevator pushrods included with the kit? Thanks.
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it's not legal for 424 if it has a molded composite wing.
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Old 07-03-2008, 10:05 AM
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In the US, most rules do not allow Hollow wing or tail composite airplanes in 424.

I can't answer your 2nd question.
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I think this plane is too nice to use in 424 anyway. Just get a GP Viper. Good enough for that event.
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Hey,
Gino flew it at a 424 contest in California a couple weeks ago, second place and .1 seconds off the fast time I believe. But, heck, they don't have any stinking rules in California, fly what ya brung. Pretty airplanes are for Pattern, race planes aren't pretty, they just look GOOD.
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hi all
did anyone know the ailerons and elevator throws and the correct CG ?
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Old 07-03-2008, 08:19 PM
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Hey JB, what ever became of your Q40 Profi engine line?


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Hay Guys did you know that in 424 this airplane is illegal to fly. It has a hollow stab and wing. I used my Dawg Gone It, but make a foam wing and stab.
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Yes, it was mentioned in posts 9 & 10 that molded wings and tails aren't allowed in 424.

The Whittier race in April (the one that Gino used a Ninja at) did allow them for that one event, but only a couple of guys used them and the race wasn't counted for points. No other races on the west coast allow composite airplanes in the APRA/424 class.
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Sorry for stirring up a hornet's nest. I am not USA based so I dont't race 424. Here in the Philippines, we run a very similar class to 424. We use any quickie compliant airframe, any stock sport 46 engine, 0% nitro fuel, and APC 9x8 sport props. Composite airframes are allowed. A couple of us have ordered Ninjas which are on the way here. Will it have an advantage over the all wood and foam vipers or hurricanes? Anyone have any experience on what RPM to expect for a 46ax engine with a stock muffler and a 9x8 apc sport prop? Thanks.


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As far as the C/G and throws for the Ninja, Start at 2.875 on th C/G and then find what you like best. I have found that most guys run their C/G farther back and give up stabilility in favor of a quicker turn with less elevator. I have never done that on purpose.<G>

Ailerons, start with 3/16" and elevators at 1/8" and see where you like it. I rung quite a bit of expo in my ailerons, like about 35%.

How you set up your airplane is a matter of what you are comfortable with. Too many try to fly with too much control.

Smoother is faster
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thanks Darrol
in my other Quickies i use all the elevator at the No1 so i make the same and with the Ninja i asking ti know this parameter cause its i think its critical to start trimming with recommended throws

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Wow! Ninja Wins, Ninja Wins!
The Ninja won the 2008 US Nationals Q500 428 class in its first year. Gino DelPonte flew through all the competition finally beating Fred Burdorf in the flyoff. Remarkable, but Gino was flying probably the fastest model at the nats.

There were a few other Ninja's flying as well. Anyway you figure it this was a significant performance. Check it out at www.flycontrolline.com There are also a couple tips on CG location on the Ninja page.

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are the profi motors 428 better then the 428 nelson motors
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Well I'll say again are the PROFI Q500 MOTORS THE ONE TO GET FOR THE 428 CLASS, OR ARE THE Q500 NELSON MOTORS STILL BEST FOR THE 428 CLASS .?????????
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The question depends on your stance towards the topic. The Profi engine is not better, no (and I'm not taking anything away from Profi)...but if strictly go off the times recorded at the Nats. The fastest planes at the Nationals were all running Nelsons, in quickee. The two fastest Quickees at the Nationals were Vortex's with Nelson's for power.

However, the new Long Stroke Nelson quickee engines have proved to be a challenge to get them running perfect. The Profi is much more similar to a old Short Stroke Nelson. They are very easy to run, and needle smoothly.

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I've been running a Profi for about a year now. Very smooth easy to operate motor. Performs about like a SS for me. A well known racer has told me that his turns an unload prop about 450 rpm less than his best LS.

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