fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
Most likely it is the tank vent line. A loop at the top prevents fuel from being syphoned from the tank.
Since the vent is open to the atmosphere and not pressurized (as in muffler pressure from a glow engine)
most of us use this method of hook up. Usually the line is then routed out the bottom of the fuse.
Dan
Since the vent is open to the atmosphere and not pressurized (as in muffler pressure from a glow engine)
most of us use this method of hook up. Usually the line is then routed out the bottom of the fuse.
Dan
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
ORIGINAL: handyman
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
Bob
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
ORIGINAL: sensei
The reason you see allot of fuel tanks with several loops of vent line is simple; improper setup, you don't see this in full scale and there is a reason. Take a look under most R/C airplanes and you will see a fuel line hanging down and in many cases swayed back from and during flying, this causes the the shaken fuel during flight to be scavenged from the vent line during flight because the air rushing past the aft facing vent line creates a vacuum effect and pulling out whatever fuel it can. Remedy: shorten the flexible vent line or go with a hard line and scarf a 45 degree angle facing forward to the airflow just like we did in the old U-Control Airplane fuel tank days, this will add a slight positive pressure to the vent and take care of the problem and you can leave all that fuel line on the ground while your flying.
Bob
ORIGINAL: handyman
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
Bob
true, but you forget one thing... If your vent line is forward of the fuel tank (for whatever reason) and you nose the airplane over, the fuel will drain out of the vent. Putting a loop of line to go aft of the tank and then to the vent will prevent this from happening.
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
It's usually a loop around the tank, then down and out for the vent line. This is a vent, no pressure on gasser tanks, and the loop is simply to keep gas from running out and making a dangerous mess when you turn the plane over inverted. That wouldn't be good at all.
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LOL,
I am talking about loosing fuel during flight guys. This loop thing really started from guys flying IMAC and needing all the fuel to get through the double pattern and back on the ground, so they do not wish to loose any fuel in the air. I don't see many 50cc-50% airplanes standing on there noses or laying on their backs, and if for some reason you need to service your airplanes while on the nose or on its back, just remove the fuel. Again this is an issue during flight...
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I am talking about loosing fuel during flight guys. This loop thing really started from guys flying IMAC and needing all the fuel to get through the double pattern and back on the ground, so they do not wish to loose any fuel in the air. I don't see many 50cc-50% airplanes standing on there noses or laying on their backs, and if for some reason you need to service your airplanes while on the nose or on its back, just remove the fuel. Again this is an issue during flight...
Bob
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
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LOL,
I am talking about loosing fuel during flight guys. This loop thing really started from guys flying IMAC and needing all the fuel to get through the double pattern and back on the ground, so they do not wish to loose any fuel in the air. I don't see many 50cc-50% airplanes standing on there noses or laying on their backs, and if for some reason you need to service your airplanes while on the nose or on its back, just remove the fuel. Again this is an issue during flight...
Bob
LOL,
I am talking about loosing fuel during flight guys. This loop thing really started from guys flying IMAC and needing all the fuel to get through the double pattern and back on the ground, so they do not wish to loose any fuel in the air. I don't see many 50cc-50% airplanes standing on there noses or laying on their backs, and if for some reason you need to service your airplanes while on the nose or on its back, just remove the fuel. Again this is an issue during flight...
Bob
For turbines, its not as easy to remove the fuel at the end of the day every time, and since we typically run external start and taxi tanks to maximize flight time, we need to be able to get to the vent fitting. On some models (eurofighters, rafale's, etc) its not feasible to put the vent fitting aft of the tanks bc then you could not get to it to hook up and remove the external tank.
So to say it is (generally) a improper setup isnt completely true for every case.
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
ORIGINAL: sensei
The reason you see allot of fuel tanks with several loops of vent line is simple; improper setup, you don't see this in full scale and there is a reason. Take a look under most R/C airplanes and you will see a fuel line hanging down and in many cases swayed back from and during flying, this causes the the shaken fuel during flight to be scavenged from the vent line during flight because the air rushing past the aft facing vent line creates a vacuum effect and pulling out whatever fuel it can. Remedy: shorten the flexible vent line or go with a hard line and scarf a 45 degree angle facing forward to the airflow just like we did in the old U-Control Airplane fuel tank days, this will add a slight positive pressure to the vent and take care of the problem and you can leave all that fuel line on the ground while your flying.
Bob
ORIGINAL: handyman
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
Bob
We don't set-up our tanks improperly; we demand that the fuel stay put regardless of what attitude we place the model in
To the OP, we are beginning to see more and more water bottle gas tanks fitted with fittings rather than a stopper, to avoid leaking stoppers. Fittings, like the types I sell, are installed at the top of the water bottle in addition to the cap of the bottle....the cap takes the carb feed line, aka, the clunk line, and the one or two fittings on the top of the tank are the vent and the fill fittings...Hope that helps
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
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Its been said correctly a few times, it keeps the vent pipe which is at the top of the taank, from draining the tank while the plane is flying inverted.
Its been said correctly a few times, it keeps the vent pipe which is at the top of the taank, from draining the tank while the plane is flying inverted.
Just another little thing not to dwell on or over think. The looped vent line is just something most people do but I like the idea sensei brought up. If nothing else it would be a cleaner look.
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
ORIGINAL: sensei
The reason you see allot of fuel tanks with several loops of vent line is simple; improper setup, you don't see this in full scale and there is a reason. Take a look under most R/C airplanes and you will see a fuel line hanging down and in many cases swayed back from and during flying, this causes the the shaken fuel during flight to be scavenged from the vent line during flight because the air rushing past the aft facing vent line creates a vacuum effect and pulling out whatever fuel it can. Remedy: shorten the flexible vent line or go with a hard line and scarf a 45 degree angle facing forward to the airflow just like we did in the old U-Control Airplane fuel tank days, this will add a slight positive pressure to the vent and take care of the problem and you can leave all that fuel line on the ground while your flying.
Bob
ORIGINAL: handyman
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
Bob
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
ORIGINAL: MTK
Hey guy, I don't see many full scale airplanes flying inverted do you? Worse yet, flying inverted and pushing significant g's. That will force fuel out the vent and into the air, every time. Full scale airplanes that do fly that way, for example aerobats and military, are set-up differently than your average common Cessna.
We don't set-up our tanks improperly; we demand that the fuel stay put regardless of what attitude we place the model in
To the OP, we are beginning to see more and more water bottle gas tanks fitted with fittings rather than a stopper, to avoid leaking stoppers. Fittings, like the types I sell, are installed at the top of the water bottle in addition to the cap of the bottle....the cap takes the carb feed line, aka, the clunk line, and the one or two fittings on the top of the tank are the vent and the fill fittings...Hope that helps
ORIGINAL: sensei
The reason you see allot of fuel tanks with several loops of vent line is simple; improper setup, you don't see this in full scale and there is a reason. Take a look under most R/C airplanes and you will see a fuel line hanging down and in many cases swayed back from and during flying, this causes the the shaken fuel during flight to be scavenged from the vent line during flight because the air rushing past the aft facing vent line creates a vacuum effect and pulling out whatever fuel it can. Remedy: shorten the flexible vent line or go with a hard line and scarf a 45 degree angle facing forward to the airflow just like we did in the old U-Control Airplane fuel tank days, this will add a slight positive pressure to the vent and take care of the problem and you can leave all that fuel line on the ground while your flying.
Bob
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looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
looking over some pics and i see set ups with extra fuel lines on top of tanks..........why?
Bob
We don't set-up our tanks improperly; we demand that the fuel stay put regardless of what attitude we place the model in
To the OP, we are beginning to see more and more water bottle gas tanks fitted with fittings rather than a stopper, to avoid leaking stoppers. Fittings, like the types I sell, are installed at the top of the water bottle in addition to the cap of the bottle....the cap takes the carb feed line, aka, the clunk line, and the one or two fittings on the top of the tank are the vent and the fill fittings...Hope that helps
Bob
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
Most weedeaters use a 1 way valve to prevent extra gas from coming out. there is a supply line to the carb, a return and a vent. why cant we use the vent like on most weedeaters ? u can turn a weedeater upside down with no ill results.
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
You'll need an open vent of some kind if you ever fly during a temperature change (everyone does). As it warms up throughout the day (or in your trailer/shop/storage area) and you don't have a vent line that allows air OUT of the tank you'll pop a stopper, tank seam or the cap off the threads of a water bottle tank. Weed eaters have vent lines or vented caps that allow atmospheric changes to relieve the pressure in tanks.
Some portion of your fuel line needs to be higher than the highest point in the tank, or you will siphon fuel out onto the ground after your tank is full. Loop of fuel tubing or just a little rise in the line before going down and out of the bottom of the fuselage.
Fuel all over the ground is not good for the pavement/grass at your field, nor for flying...you might run out of gas before you think. This has caused several dead sticks at events in the heat of the Summer.
Some portion of your fuel line needs to be higher than the highest point in the tank, or you will siphon fuel out onto the ground after your tank is full. Loop of fuel tubing or just a little rise in the line before going down and out of the bottom of the fuselage.
Fuel all over the ground is not good for the pavement/grass at your field, nor for flying...you might run out of gas before you think. This has caused several dead sticks at events in the heat of the Summer.
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RE: fuel lines on top of tank (gas)
Speaking of one way valves , I picked up a 33% extra from a guy and he had installed a really nice aluminum check valve on the vent line, I subsequently raped the gear out of that plane and installed it in my big H-9 pawnee along with that check valve and it works awsome, I stood the plane on it's nose with a full tank and it never lost a drop thru the vent
Don't know who makes the check valve or where to get it LOL the only concern I have with it is if it ever gets stuck shut it will be some bad Joo Joo for sure LOL
Don't know who makes the check valve or where to get it LOL the only concern I have with it is if it ever gets stuck shut it will be some bad Joo Joo for sure LOL
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For my style of flying I don't think I would want to have a one way check valve in my vent line, too me it is another critical point of failure waiting to happen at the wrong time, slow low, and maybe vertical with 0 airspeed. Have you ever had a one way check valve stick on you in any application before? It happens from time to time and all it needs is a tiny piece of junk in the fuel/gas to make it stick.
Bob
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