on_your_six

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I am kind of amazed how flying helicopters makes you a better plane pilot. Any flight time is good time and experience is gained. Fly the tail.

Gray Beard

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Only planes I have mixed rudder with the ailerons are a couple of Bipes to help coordinate the turns. I only mixed in 10% and did have it on a switch. Other then Bipes I have never used the mix but it does have a time and place. Just not very often.

Johng

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Third on the helicopter flying and using the rudder stick separately. My airplane flying improved a ton after learning to hover a heli.

You could buy a little heli and work on it that way, or just go up high and steer around with rudder only. Get used to that, then continue using rudder to steer the plane doing level 8's, and add a little aileron back in. You will strat to see how rudder and aileron together really make a plane turn nicer.

As a glider flyer, I can tell you that the plane will definitely glide better when coordinated with rudder. So, using your rudder can indeed stretch your glide on a dead-stick, if nothing else...

stevegauth30

I made myself learn to fly the rudder after watching a plane lawn dart after the aileron servo wire vibrated loose. Not a good time to try and learn it then. Now I'll sometimes fly around with out using ailerons just for the practice, in case that ever happened again. I always use the plastic clips after that too. Any way, once you get the feel for it, you don't even realize your using it, but you are.

Bozarth

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My sarcasm was in anticipation of the many responses that would not answer Rye's question, but rather tell him not to do it. Perhaps you have to be married for over 20 years to develop healthy sarcasm.
His only question was: "what % should i mix the rudder in at?"

Hugger-4641 got it.

Kurt

Charlie P.

Everybody can roll their eyes now, but the "old way" of learning R/C with two-channel (rudder/elevator) gliders taught you to use rudder and not fear deadsticks.  Also, any flight time in a real small-plane teaches you to apply opposite rudder as a matter of course to "center the ball" and it becomes second nature. 

Bottom line: you can learn to program mixes or you can learn to fly.  ;-)

ARUP

OK... I will re-phrase it. You may not be able to do stuff like that with the 'mix'. I don't want to mix any fun away as far as my flying is concerned!

David Bathe

I think somebody did mention that rudder mixing wasn't allowed, its actually far stricter than that: the use of rudder isnt allowed. Nor is the use of any position on the throttle stick other than idle and full throttle. Every club is obliged to charge a fine and report the member to the governing authorities, so take it seriously. I've removed my rudder and throttle servos years ago... Makes life  simpler, cheaper and you sleep better at night.

Bozarth

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David - great ideas. I have my throttle on a two position switch and I mix a little rudder in with my nose wheel steering.
Kurt

scale only 4 me

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well, that's a different meaning when you put it that way, now I see what you were saying

Most only use ail-rud mix to help cure bad tendencies,, not to replace the need to use ever use rudder.

LesUyeda

"Bozarth was kidding, joking.........attempting to be funny. I thought it was funny."

The everlasting problem with communications by the written word. One cannot see the glint in the eye, the smirk, or the shrug of the shoulders; at least not without smileys:-))))))))

Les

Mk23socom

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Rudder- A device built into the back of RC planes to aid in the task of dragging the model back to the pit areas after missing the runway due to poor glide slope and poor kinetic energy management, could also be due to poor throttle modulation. NOT to be confused with full-scale rudders which are commonly used for steering. noun

Just kidding guys, I'm a big fan of using rudder and do it a bunch without knowing it... just wanted to jump in and poke a little general fun at nobody in particular..

do335a

Absolutely.

Nothing more; nothing less.

sensei

What is this rudder thing anyway, and how is it used???



























Just kidding, I would also just use the rudder manually.

Bob

frets24

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I thought it was for using up the last of the extra yellow paint left over from painting the cowl on an ETO BF-109 Messerschmitt!

stevegauth30

Gotta admit though, it DOES work pretty good for towing it back to the pitts. That's what I thought it was.

David Bathe

Don't try and brush of the rudder as a conspiracy theory, it is well know in the esoteric circles the the R is Satans own controll surface. The global Elite worship a giant rudder at bohemian grove every year. Once you start dabbling with the rudder, youre a lost sole. Seriously dangerous stuff. 

Mk23socom

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I have no idea if this is a play on words when you would ordinarily mean "soul", but I can't help but imagine someone calling someone else a "heel", so this whole post is double funny to me!

bikerbc

I use mix on my Cubs , I mix in about 15 % rudder with the ailerons to help in the turns . I have this on a switch so that I can turn it off... I often fly with it off so that I can enjoy the sensation of truly flying the plane myself .. Full size pilots use many computerized electronic devices to assist them in flying planes these days.. The old days of stick and rudder are just part of learning to fly.. Now we need to learn how to operate computers and how to set them up so that they can tell our planes what to do...I think we need to relax and try to enjoy the computerized aids offered to us but at the same time we need to learn how to properly fly our planes , .. The only way we can do that is by going back to the stick and rudder ..So I think there is room for both flying with the mix on or off .That's my opinion...

speedracerntrixie

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Rudders are for BOATS!! LOL. There are some applications for this mix but would be rare on power airplanes? If you are using it compensate for adverse yaw then look into aileron differential. FYI I have only used this mix on sailplanes and then only about 5% to 7%, differential was around 50%.

ssautter

Yes, 15% is a good start.

But, also, keep-in-mind, that precision aerobatic planes do not experience as much roll-yaw coupling or adverse-yaw characteristics.

So, be prepared to break your own bad habits, when you fly F3A,NSRCA,or IMAC ships. Also,be able to define askid vs. slip in the turns.

Happy flying.

Bozarth

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Fourth on the heli flying - a quad in my case. You won't believe how much it helps until you try it. The MQX mini quad at $100 flies outstanding!

Kurt

Ron Stahl

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Our chief instructor now insists on mixing rudder from the aileron input on every plane he flies to " make it easier to take off" . I could not disagree more as the previous chief instructor for the club. I prefer to fly the plane and not cause the plane to roll when I want or need it to yaw on take off or landing. He feels that it is a burden to teach a student to use the rudder to steer the plane and his justification is we have automatic transmission so we don't have to use a clutch anymore why even have a rudder control.

rgburrill

Rather than mixing rudder with aileron I was more concerned with axial rolls with my Tiger.  I wound up using two channels for ailerons which allowed me to independently control aileron differential and total movement.

stevegauth30

why teach a kid to drive on an automatic when if you teach them with a manual trans theres nothing they cant drive. teach em right.