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Old 10-30-2017, 01:44 PM
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Hi Guys
I'm getting back after decades in the wilderness.
I bought an Apprentice S with SAFE and AS3X and a Spectrum DXe
Is it worth continuing with those two gyro assist facilities as I go to bigger aircraft?
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Old 10-31-2017, 02:53 AM
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The only thing with gyros I've ever owned is the UMX Beast. It is used as a damping system only. I still have full deflection.
I don't even like mixing options to compensate for things like roll couple and adverse yaw. Learn to trim and fly the plane, rather than simply programming your transmitter.
The Apprentice is good. I've flown a couple for other people. Weaning yourself from the SAFE system can be an eye-opening experience. But if you really want to learn to pilot an aircraft, those gyros have gotta go.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
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I've just come from our RC Club meeting, and the guys are with you B2B.

There was some support for AS3X for landings in gusty cross wind situations, where the human thumb is slower than the wind, but mostly they are saying get off the SAFE settings as soon as I can.

Thanks for your input.
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That's good to know, although not surprising. One is glad to be of service.
Now, build something, will ya? I can help you with just about anything regarding building a kit.
It's very satisfying. Cheers!
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Well, stand by. Here's what arrived today . . .

Oops! I don't have 10 posts up yet. What an annoying rule.

The box is nearly as big as I am.
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Post number 4

It's a 1/4 scale Piper Pawnee from The World Models.
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Post number 5

I'm in Australia, so shipping is a nightmare - not with TWM.

The package arrived in 7 days - and they sent me a refund on the postage, as they got a discount.
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Originally Posted by MaxSouthoz View Post
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It's a 1/4 scale Piper Pawnee from The World Models.
That's an ARF, right? But, it's already built! When I said, "Build something," I meant a kit. You know, frame it up yourself.
Oh, well, maybe next time, huh?
World Models looks like they do nice stuff. Some free advice, though. Go over all the seams of the covering with an iron at about 275degrees (Fahrenheit). And check as many of the glue joints you can get to. I'm sure the guys in your club can keep
you on the straight and narrow. Keep me posted, okay?
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Originally Posted by born2build View Post
That's an ARF, right? But, it's already built! When I said, "Build something," I meant a kit. You know, frame it up yourself.
Oh, well, maybe next time, huh?
World Models looks like they do nice stuff. Some free advice, though. Go over all the seams of the covering with an iron at about 275degrees (Fahrenheit). And check as many of the glue joints you can get to. I'm sure the guys in your club can keep
you on the straight and narrow. Keep me posted, okay?
Will do.
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Originally Posted by MaxSouthoz View Post
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It's a 1/4 scale Piper Pawnee from The World Models.

It's a heck of a jump from asking about training wheels ( SAFE AS3X) to assembling and flying a 1/4 scale model. Do you have experience in flying models without using those systems ? If not, I suggest that you gain some experience by flying some intermediate models first.
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Originally Posted by TomCrump View Post
It's a heck of a jump from asking about training wheels ( SAFE AS3X) to assembling and flying a 1/4 scale model. Do you have experience in flying models without using those systems ? If not, I suggest that you gain some experience by flying some intermediate models first.
If you look at the first post, Tom you will see that I have bought an Apprentice S

It's a trainer. A foamie with an electric motor. I can't post a link because I haven't made 10 posts yet, but Google it.

You will see what it is.

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Originally Posted by MaxSouthoz View Post
If you look at the first post, Tom you will see that I have bought an Apprentice S

It's a trainer. A foamie with an electric motor. I can't post a link because I haven't made 10 posts yet, but Google it.

You will see what it is.

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In my opinion, you need more flying experience before jumping to a 1/4 scale model.

I have a low opinion of the Apprentice, and feel that you still need to learn how to fly RC. That technology can build false confidence, and lead to disaster when real world flying is encountered.

I would suggest a Sig Kadet Senior Sport as your next step.
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I understand your point of view, Tom.
Our Club has a fleet of trainer aircraft and a team of experienced instructors.
I don't expect to attempt to fly the Pawnee until about this time next year, after proceeding through the levels of Club qualifications.
The Apprentice has three levels of gyro assistance and I have already been able to make short forays in Beginner mode on my own.
That success may have been assisted by my experience decades ago flying RC gliders.
I appreciate your concern.
I am getting the same advice and assistance from Club members.
It's taken me several weeks to find a forum of this quality. I hope to spend many happy hours here.
I have my own model forum and I am an Administrator of two others. The vibe here is very good.
Last year I completed my Master Modellers' degree with the NMRA. Now I can see the giant leaps forward in RC technology, I want to return to RC flying for fresh challenges.
I'm interested in the notes under your signature.
Are you able to post me any links to the organisations?
At the moment, I'm reading everything.
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[QUOTE=MaxSouthoz;12380101
I'm interested in the notes under your signature.
Are you able to post me any links to the organisations?
At the moment, I'm reading everything.
Cheers
Max[/QUOTE]

They aren't really organizations. They are groups of people interested in whatever the brotherhood is titled. Somewhere on RCU there is a list of these brotherhoods.
The brotherhoods are just threads on RCU. The name of each brotherhood is the title of each individual thread.

The Kadet Brotherhood may interest you. There are several different Kadet models. All should be suitable as your next model.

My club uses the Apprentice, too. In my opinion, the guys flying them have a lot to learn when they are weaned from them. I think that you would benefit from a Kadet Senior Sport, or something similar.

With your limited experience, you are a few years away from that quarter scale model. A wise person would work his way up to it. Keep your goal in mind, but take small steps to get there. Work your way up to larger, more complex models. Learn how individual designs fly. In the end, you will be a better pilot by doing so.
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Originally Posted by MaxSouthoz View Post
I understand your point of view, Tom.
Our Club has a fleet of trainer aircraft and a team of experienced instructors.
I don't expect to attempt to fly the Pawnee until about this time next year, after proceeding through the levels of Club qualifications.
The Apprentice has three levels of gyro assistance and I have already been able to make short forays in Beginner mode on my own.
That success may have been assisted by my experience decades ago flying RC gliders.
I appreciate your concern.
I am getting the same advice and assistance from Club members.
It's taken me several weeks to find a forum of this quality. I hope to spend many happy hours here.
I have my own model forum and I am an Administrator of two others. The vibe here is very good.
Last year I completed my Master Modellers' degree with the NMRA. Now I can see the giant leaps forward in RC technology, I want to return to RC flying for fresh challenges.
I'm interested in the notes under your signature.
Are you able to post me any links to the organisations?
At the moment, I'm reading everything.
Cheers
Max
Hey, Tom. I think he's in pretty good hands, don't you? Back in the '80's, I flew nothing but sailplanes for two years straight.
I learned more about piloting an airplane more in that time span then I've ever learned flying powered models. So, there's that. The Apprentice flies much like any other trainer, when you turn off the SAFE system. That system was incorporated for people who insist on learning on their own. Not ideal, of course.
Max, on one respect, Tom is right. Grab an instructor by the ear and turn off the "crutch." You really don't need (or want) it.
And Tom, The Kadet series are fine airplanes, to be sure. But they certainly aren't the only game in town. Have you ever flown a Midwest Aerostar, or a Great Planes PT 60? How about a Senior Telemaster? My goodness, these are fantastic trainers! The Senior Telemaster may well be the best trainer...ever! If you crash that airplane, you should take up knitting, it's that good!
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Thanks, Tom.

I'll do a search for them when I get some moments.
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Max,
There are worse second airplanes than a Pawnee ie.a J3. Like the others, I would recommend at least one plane in between the Apprentice and Pawnee. My suggestion would be a Stik or a Sig 4-Star or possibly a WM Fun World (with reduced throws) since you like the easy shipping from them.

Good luck and welcome to the hobby.
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C'mon, guys. Pay attention!
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Thanks, Warhwk.

I've got a range of Club trainers to play with on the way to the Pawnee,

This should be my 10th post, so I can show the link. Here goes . . .



Nope. No good.

I'm also thinking about a simulator. Apparently the Phoenix pairs with the Spektrum D 9.


Any ideas?

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This is post 11.

The World Models 1/4 Scale Piper PA-25 Pawnee

and

Phoenix model flight simulation :: Welcome
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Yaay! I've broken through!
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Yaay! I've broken through!
Congrats!!
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Now to try something else . . .

Hmm. Is there a photo gallery - or do I need Photobucket?

Found a Gallery. Now to add the photo to the post.

Nope. I'm stuck.

Is there a thread somewhere on posting photos?

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Thanks.

Do you have any thoughts on the Phoenix?
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Now to try something else . . .

Hmm. Is there a photo gallery - or do I need Photobucket?

Found a Gallery. Now to add the photo to the post.

Nope. I'm stuck.

Is there a thread somewhere on posting photos?

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The easiest way to post pictures is to save the pic to your computer, then attach with the "manage attachment" button under "Additional Options"
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