Muffler bolts
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Muffler bolts
Hey guys need some help. Iam back into-rc planes and have a 46 os fx motor. I put a new muffler on it and it comes lose . Can i use loc-tite on the threaded bolts ? If so what kind.
Thanks Brian
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RE: Muffler bolts
Thanks i will try that. I have it on a test stand. I will get the motor hot and back the bolts out and then put the loc- on the bolts.
Brian
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RE: Muffler bolts
ORIGINAL: kitfox man
Thanks i will try that. I have it on a test stand. I will get the motor hot and back the bolts out and then put the loc- on the bolts.
Brian
Thanks i will try that. I have it on a test stand. I will get the motor hot and back the bolts out and then put the loc- on the bolts.
Brian
LocTite works for sure. When you don't have any and want to avoid the expense, or just want to fly the next day..............
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RE: Muffler bolts
Below is a quote from another RCU forum by Bill Baxter reqarding torque values for OS engines:
"O.S. does not specify torque values. They really aren't needed. We've only used torque wrenches on certain gasoline-fueled engines, and then only on specific parts of those engines where the manufacturer states that tightening to a specific torque value is absolutely required.
_____________________________
Bill Baxter, Manager Hobby Services/Futaba Service/North America
3002 N. Apollo Dr. Ste. 1 Champaign, IL 61822 USA
Service Phone: 217 398-0007
Email: [email protected]"
I would think that tighening the muffler bolts when the engine is hot would be my last choice. Use the Blue Loctite when the engine is at room temperature. As the the engine heats after start, the aluminum will expand to a greater degree than the steel bolt causing a more snug fit between the cylinder/muffler and the steel bolt.
"O.S. does not specify torque values. They really aren't needed. We've only used torque wrenches on certain gasoline-fueled engines, and then only on specific parts of those engines where the manufacturer states that tightening to a specific torque value is absolutely required.
_____________________________
Bill Baxter, Manager Hobby Services/Futaba Service/North America
3002 N. Apollo Dr. Ste. 1 Champaign, IL 61822 USA
Service Phone: 217 398-0007
Email: [email protected]"
I would think that tighening the muffler bolts when the engine is hot would be my last choice. Use the Blue Loctite when the engine is at room temperature. As the the engine heats after start, the aluminum will expand to a greater degree than the steel bolt causing a more snug fit between the cylinder/muffler and the steel bolt.
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RE: Muffler bolts
ORIGINAL: airbusdrvr
I would think that tighening the muffler bolts when the engine is hot would be my last choice. Use the Blue Loctite when the engine is at room temperature. As the the engine heats after start, the aluminum will expand to a greater degree than the steel bolt causing a more snug fit between the cylinder/muffler and the steel bolt.
I would think that tighening the muffler bolts when the engine is hot would be my last choice. Use the Blue Loctite when the engine is at room temperature. As the the engine heats after start, the aluminum will expand to a greater degree than the steel bolt causing a more snug fit between the cylinder/muffler and the steel bolt.
You do the tightening after stopping the engine and aluminum cools quite a bit faster than steel. A bolt that's almost completely encased with no contact with the air certainly won't be cooling very fast. Second reason is like everything in our hobby, there is a technique to be learned/used. Gotta learn how strongly we need to tighten the suckers without stripping them.
About technique.......... The through bolt on lots of mufflers are often a problem. The technique with them is most certainly something many have to learn. Many guys don't realize the bolt threads through the endcap. It's very important to tighten that adequately before tightening the nut that's present. The nut is actually a lock nut, yet many think it's the primary holder. Just another detail to be learned by some in our hobby. (It seems appropriate to mention the muffler bolt because it's quite often the problem newbies have with loose bolts.)
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RE: Muffler bolts
The muffler is at minimum torque when cold. It will tighten with heat as the aluminum expands as previously mentioned. If you go just a litle past snug when cold, that will leave enough stretch in the bolt to allow for expansion when hot. Locktite is handy to keep the bolt in place, because the oil from the fuel along with the muffler's vibration is bad about rattling it out.
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RE: Muffler bolts
ORIGINAL: airbusdrvr
Below is a quote from another RCU forum by Bill Baxter reqarding torque values for OS engines:
''O.S. does not specify torque values. They really aren't needed. We've only used torque wrenches on certain gasoline-fueled engines, and then only on specific parts of those engines where the manufacturer states that tightening to a specific torque value is absolutely required.
_____________________________
Bill Baxter, Manager Hobby Services/Futaba Service/North America
3002 N. Apollo Dr. Ste. 1 Champaign, IL 61822 USA
Service Phone: 217 398-0007
Email: [email protected]''
I would think that tighening the muffler bolts when the engine is hot would be my last choice. Use the Blue Loctite when the engine is at room temperature. As the the engine heats after start, the aluminum will expand to a greater degree than the steel bolt causing a more snug fit between the cylinder/muffler and the steel bolt.
Below is a quote from another RCU forum by Bill Baxter reqarding torque values for OS engines:
''O.S. does not specify torque values. They really aren't needed. We've only used torque wrenches on certain gasoline-fueled engines, and then only on specific parts of those engines where the manufacturer states that tightening to a specific torque value is absolutely required.
_____________________________
Bill Baxter, Manager Hobby Services/Futaba Service/North America
3002 N. Apollo Dr. Ste. 1 Champaign, IL 61822 USA
Service Phone: 217 398-0007
Email: [email protected]''
I would think that tighening the muffler bolts when the engine is hot would be my last choice. Use the Blue Loctite when the engine is at room temperature. As the the engine heats after start, the aluminum will expand to a greater degree than the steel bolt causing a more snug fit between the cylinder/muffler and the steel bolt.
Another thing I've done is put the assembly through several heat/cool cycles then re-torque it. I'm guessing this allows everything to do all it's moving and slight shape tweaking then that final tightening locks it all in place but who knows. Again, it just seems to work.
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RE: Muffler bolts
ORIGINAL: da Rock
You do the tightening after stopping the engine and aluminum cools quite a bit faster than steel.
You do the tightening after stopping the engine and aluminum cools quite a bit faster than steel.
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RE: Muffler bolts
ORIGINAL: jester_s1
The muffler is at minimum torque when cold. It will tighten with heat as the aluminum expands as previously mentioned. If you go just a litle past snug when cold, that will leave enough stretch in the bolt to allow for expansion when hot. Locktite is handy to keep the bolt in place, because the oil from the fuel along with the muffler's vibration is bad about rattling it out.
The muffler is at minimum torque when cold. It will tighten with heat as the aluminum expands as previously mentioned. If you go just a litle past snug when cold, that will leave enough stretch in the bolt to allow for expansion when hot. Locktite is handy to keep the bolt in place, because the oil from the fuel along with the muffler's vibration is bad about rattling it out.