OFNA PRODUCT DECEPTION?
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OFNA PRODUCT DECEPTION?
I recently purchased an R/C from OFNA. On the web-site and on the box it shows the same engine that has a nicely anodized cooling head with the engines name engraved in the top. The engine is shown 10 times on the box and 4 times on the OFNA web-site with this very nice looking cooling head. When you open the box what you get is an ugly flat black painted cooling head with a snap on plastic cover. OFNA told me that this change to the engine was made over a year ago, yet they haven't changed their web-site advertisements or box either. They also will not replace it unless I remove the cooling head and mail it back to them at my expense, which means I wouldn't be able to run a new car for quite a while. I'm pretty much forced to settle for something I did not want!
Be careful what you buy!
Here's what's advertised versus what you actually get:
Be careful what you buy!
Here's what's advertised versus what you actually get:
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RE: OFNA PRODUCT DECEPTION?
2 choices here:
1. Accept the change as a production change.
2. Whine about it force Onfa to change it thus raising the price since there would need to be re-sampled print samples and web guy to work.
BTW: If you are buying a car because of the head color...wow.
1. Accept the change as a production change.
2. Whine about it force Onfa to change it thus raising the price since there would need to be re-sampled print samples and web guy to work.
BTW: If you are buying a car because of the head color...wow.
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You what I'd be curious about is the engine with the black case used to be the 4-port and the purple head is the 8-port
has anyone actually looked at the newer black head engines to see if it actually has the 8-port p/s??
Now if it doesn't, that would be a deception.
has anyone actually looked at the newer black head engines to see if it actually has the 8-port p/s??
Now if it doesn't, that would be a deception.
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i had one and it IS a 8 port. i got one of the "bad ones" . couldnt keep a tune. and that plastic piece lasted about 1 lap at the track and it keeps heat in. well i guess you need heat this time of year where im from...
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Yea I took mine apart and double checked the sleeves. But I only ran one- just sold the rest- took one look at the inner craftsmanship of the motor and it was soo cheesy- I just sold the rest for $75. I had 3 of em.
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RE: OFNA PRODUCT DECEPTION?
ORIGINAL: scale_only_4_me-RCU
You what I'd be curious about is the engine with the black case used to be the 4-port and the purple head is the 8-port
has anyone actually looked at the newer black head engines to see if it actually has the 8-port p/s??
Now if it doesn't, that would be a deception.
You what I'd be curious about is the engine with the black case used to be the 4-port and the purple head is the 8-port
has anyone actually looked at the newer black head engines to see if it actually has the 8-port p/s??
Now if it doesn't, that would be a deception.
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am i missing something? last time i checked, having a black cooling head instead of a purple one wasn't a horrible thing.
am i missing something? last time i checked, having a black cooling head instead of a purple one wasn't a horrible thing.
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am i missing something? last time i checked, having a black cooling head instead of a purple one wasn't a horrible thing.
am i missing something? last time i checked, having a black cooling head instead of a purple one wasn't a horrible thing.
If you think you're buy bling bling and you get blaa blaa, you have a right to be disapointed,
personally it wouldnt matter to me.
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You could ask for your money back and if they refuse then take them to small claims court. If they advertise an all metal cooling head, but give you a metal one with a plastic top THAT IS FALSE ADVERTISING plain and simple. You have proof by description. Make hard copies of everything on the website and noterize it. You can take legal action with out a lawyer.
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You could ask for your money back and if they refuse then take them to small claims court. If they advertise an all metal cooling head, but give you a metal one with a plastic top THAT IS FALSE ADVERTISING plain and simple. You have proof by description. Make hard copies of everything on the website and noterize it. You can take legal action with out a lawyer.
You could ask for your money back and if they refuse then take them to small claims court. If they advertise an all metal cooling head, but give you a metal one with a plastic top THAT IS FALSE ADVERTISING plain and simple. You have proof by description. Make hard copies of everything on the website and noterize it. You can take legal action with out a lawyer.
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I bought the buggy for my son's birthday. I run an MBX5.
Ofna's explanation for black spray paint and plastic "fall off and role away thing" on top, versus anodizing and engraving, is that it cools much better. I guess if that's true the people at Novarossi, Picco, RB Concepts and a bunch of others are way behind in engine technology...NOT!
Some call it whining...I just don't like buying something that is advertised as one thing and then getting something cheaper for the same price. Thought I would bring it up so anyone thinking about one of these buggies would know what they're buying. I filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission today about it...Mostly because of the ethics of it all.
Ofna's explanation for black spray paint and plastic "fall off and role away thing" on top, versus anodizing and engraving, is that it cools much better. I guess if that's true the people at Novarossi, Picco, RB Concepts and a bunch of others are way behind in engine technology...NOT!
Some call it whining...I just don't like buying something that is advertised as one thing and then getting something cheaper for the same price. Thought I would bring it up so anyone thinking about one of these buggies would know what they're buying. I filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission today about it...Mostly because of the ethics of it all.
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Imm- Novarossi, RB etc. all use a very similar cooling head composite as the Hyper 21's. The old Hyper 21 cooling head was straigh billet- worthless because of its emmissivity it would give false readings. Kinda like buying an oversized bling billet cooling head nowadays- and thinking your motors running cooler- but really the emissivity is shooting your temp gun to read a false reading.
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I bought the buggy for my son's birthday. I run an MBX5.
Ofna's explanation for black spray paint and plastic "fall off and role away thing" on top, versus anodizing and engraving, is that it cools much better. I guess if that's true the people at Novarossi, Picco, RB Concepts and a bunch of others are way behind in engine technology...NOT!
I bought the buggy for my son's birthday. I run an MBX5.
Ofna's explanation for black spray paint and plastic "fall off and role away thing" on top, versus anodizing and engraving, is that it cools much better. I guess if that's true the people at Novarossi, Picco, RB Concepts and a bunch of others are way behind in engine technology...NOT!
The complaint was a great idea and hopefully you see something come back letting you know the deal.
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RE: OFNA PRODUCT DECEPTION?
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IOfna's explanation for black spray paint and plastic "fall off and role away thing" on top, versus anodizing and engraving, is that it cools much better. I guess if that's true the people at Novarossi, Picco, RB Concepts and a bunch of others are way behind in engine technology...NOT!
IOfna's explanation for black spray paint and plastic "fall off and role away thing" on top, versus anodizing and engraving, is that it cools much better. I guess if that's true the people at Novarossi, Picco, RB Concepts and a bunch of others are way behind in engine technology...NOT!
it is very commonly known in aircooled engines, that a flat black surface does indeed transfer heat better than an anodized or bare surface....not new, been that way since early 1900's....
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it takes millions of dollars in R&D to make a motor- The stock cooling head is definitely a top consideration in that R&D as well.
it takes millions of dollars in R&D to make a motor- The stock cooling head is definitely a top consideration in that R&D as well.
Boy, they better sell a bunch of them, to bad they didn't spend some of those R&D $$$ on the Carb
Maybe that's why the carb sucks so the only have to sell about 100,000 engines to break even, think how much they would have to sell to cover the cost of R&D on a decent Carb
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Exactly. Why do you think RB, Nova, OS, Picco all have flat painted surfaces- not anodized! That's why all those BIG HEAD bling anodized aftermarket cooling heads out there are a waste of money. Thehead on your motor is designed specifically for that motors characteristics. it takes millions of dollars in R&D to make a motor- The stock cooling head is definitely a top consideration in that R&D as well.
Exactly. Why do you think RB, Nova, OS, Picco all have flat painted surfaces- not anodized! That's why all those BIG HEAD bling anodized aftermarket cooling heads out there are a waste of money. Thehead on your motor is designed specifically for that motors characteristics. it takes millions of dollars in R&D to make a motor- The stock cooling head is definitely a top consideration in that R&D as well.
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oldchopdoc...I'd say you were lucky all in all.
Firstly, anodised purple......is it just me, or does anybody else thing is seriously.........gay? I dont want a pink anything. Or a purple one. A purple petrol head toy? Its so....eurgh. The Savage, with all that purple stuff...its hideous. Have you seen how the PINK pipe coupler looks on it? Like something you're supposed to attach to your dong, not your MT. And the springs (on the SS)?? They're a truly nasty purple, that just scream out "BUY SHOCK SOCKS"!
Secondly, it is probably the best cooling head for the engine, as everyone else is saying. All you need to do, is lose that icky PINK cap off the top, and you're all set. Lucky you......I like the black. Sadly, my RR Sacker buggy (lightning to you americanos), came with a purple PAINTED cooling head! Would you like it? Its revolting, but who cares really? The buggy drives great, and when its in motion, its sort of a big blur....Im not driving round thinking "Hmm....this is fun, but it'd be alot more fun if I didnt have that purple head on it".
Firstly, anodised purple......is it just me, or does anybody else thing is seriously.........gay? I dont want a pink anything. Or a purple one. A purple petrol head toy? Its so....eurgh. The Savage, with all that purple stuff...its hideous. Have you seen how the PINK pipe coupler looks on it? Like something you're supposed to attach to your dong, not your MT. And the springs (on the SS)?? They're a truly nasty purple, that just scream out "BUY SHOCK SOCKS"!
Secondly, it is probably the best cooling head for the engine, as everyone else is saying. All you need to do, is lose that icky PINK cap off the top, and you're all set. Lucky you......I like the black. Sadly, my RR Sacker buggy (lightning to you americanos), came with a purple PAINTED cooling head! Would you like it? Its revolting, but who cares really? The buggy drives great, and when its in motion, its sort of a big blur....Im not driving round thinking "Hmm....this is fun, but it'd be alot more fun if I didnt have that purple head on it".
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If the color of what you're using has your manhood threatened then maybe you need to reevaluate your manhood. Pink, blue, green purple, etc just so long as it runs.
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You obviously have no idea about how the Business World works. Here's a tip- Remove foot from mouth- now!
How much do you think the machines alone costs to produce the motors- more than a few million. Than the design- testing, man hours, reliability, durability, extreme testings. marketing, packaging, distributing ETC. ETC. ETC.
More than a few measly million by the time the motor is launched.
You obviously have no idea about how the Business World works. Here's a tip- Remove foot from mouth- now!
How much do you think the machines alone costs to produce the motors- more than a few million. Than the design- testing, man hours, reliability, durability, extreme testings. marketing, packaging, distributing ETC. ETC. ETC.
More than a few measly million by the time the motor is launched.
There's a fat chance of me removing my foot from my mouth since it is not in my mouth but you ought to smell what you are shoveling. Let me pull up me boots a little higher because the stuff is getting thick.
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While the exhaustive testing may have been done in the past, it seems these days an engine goes from the CAD system to production, then to market where WE get to do the exhaustive testing at OUR expense. It's not just engines, companies have figured out that (especially) in rc, there are enough people that want to be the "firstest with the mostest" that a bit of hype is enough to get a decent test sample out to the public. Even if the product bombs it does not seem to have enough negative impact on sales to force the company to do the right thing by those they have porked. I guess it would be safe to say for the most part, rc product manufacturers see us as just another heard of sheep lining up for shearing