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HpiTrax383 12-29-2011 08:08 AM

What should be my lipo cutoff?
 
I just got my first lipo batteries and have been wondering about a lipo cut off. my lipos are 2s 7.4v 3300mah 20c, what should I set my lipo cut off at on my sidewinder esc? Also, what will happen when the battery reaches to cutoff point, will the car just stop or do something else?

nitrosportsandrunner 12-29-2011 10:10 AM

RE: What should be my lipo cutoff?
 
most ESC's cut power to 50%...then cut power to the motor altogether after that.
save setting is 3.2 or 3.1v

Haddi Taha 12-31-2011 04:47 AM

RE: What should be my lipo cutoff?
 
i have my cutoff on my hobbywing esc set to 3.6v a cell.

DaveG55 12-31-2011 06:00 AM

RE: What should be my lipo cutoff?
 
3.0V is usually considerd the minimum voltage (per cell) that a Lipo should be allowed to go to. It could actually be slightly lower than that, 2.7v or so, but the risk of perminant damage to the batterys is GREATLY increased. Using a c/o voltage that low can easily cause the battery to not recharge and many battery chargers will not even try to charge a battery that has dropped below the 3.0V point. Another thing to consider is that the lower you run the LVC the more likely you are to have ballancing issues

So, to the OP, if you are using a 2S battery then your LVC should be set at no less than 6.0V, 6.4V (3.2V/cell) would be better and, as suggested above 7.2V (3.6V/cell) would keep you more than safe and still not shorten you run time by too much.

MaxAmps has a nice little write-up on Lipo care on their site;

Lithium Polymer Charging/Discharging Instructions & Safety Information

Lithium Polymer Safety Tips: Lithium Polymer cells are a tremendous advance in battery technology for RC use. However, due to the chemistry of lithium cells, there is a possibility of fire if charging is not properly done. It is unavoidable due to the nature of lithium itself. This is no different from many things we use in daily life – knives, kitchen cleaners, automobiles, for a few examples – which are inherently dangerous, but which can be used safely by adhering to simple rules and precautions.

Batteries should NEVER be left unattended while charging.
Be absolutely sure that the Lithium Polymer charger settings are correct for the battery pack being charged – both voltage and current settings.
Lithium Polymer must be CHARGED and STORED in a fire-safe container like a Lipo Sack.
Do not charge batteries near flammable items or liquids.
Keep a dry fire extinguisher nearby or a large bucket of dry sand, which is a cheap and effective extinguisher.
Never charge inside an automobile even when parked.
KEEP BATTERIES AWAY from children and pets at ALL times.


Connection: You must be sure that the correct polarity is observed when connecting battery packs to charger or ESC.

RED = POSITIVE (+)
BLACK = NEGATIVE (-)

Charging/Discharging: Charge your lipo battery pack at 5C or less on a lipo approved charger only. If you choose to charge at any rate higher than 1C, you must use a balance charging system similar to the Hyperion chargers offered here at MaxAmps.com. Otherwise you risk your pack becoming severely out of balance over time, which in turn will significantly decrease the lifespan.

Ex: If charging a 4000mah lipo pack at 1C, you would be charging it at 4 Amps.
Ex: If balance charging a 4000mah lipo pack at 5C, you would be charging it at 20 Amps.
Set your speed control to hard cut-off at 3V/cell or higher-3.2V per cell is best. If your ESC does not have this feature, you will need an external cutoff or alarm. (Ex. Novak Smart-Stop or LVA)

Do NOT charge your lipo packs on a NIMH/NICD charger. Your charger must be designed for lipo cells. Do not charge above 4.2V per cell, over discharge under 3V per cell. Never leave lipo packs unattended during charging or after a crash in your vehicle. Don’t leave the battery pack plugged into a vehicle while not in use. The pack can still discharge to an unsafe level and damage the pack even if all components are turned off.

It is dangerous to draw more power than what the pack is rated for. This can cause your battery pack to ignite into flames. The temperature of the pack should never exceed 140 degrees. If it does, you may need a pack that can handle more surge watts.

Storage: If you don’t plan on using your lipo pack for longer than a week, store it at 60% of the pack’s rated capacity. Make sure to cycle your packs at least once per month since leaving them on the shelf for a prolonged period of time can cause performance issues due to increased internal resistance in the cells.

Taps on Lipo Packs: All MaxAmps.com lipo packs come standard with Hyperion style balancing taps (white connector). This tap can be used with all Hyperion balance chargers. This also “matches” the voltage of each cell to give you the highest performance and longest life.

Handling Cautions:

Never leave batteries inside a car on a hot day or any other place where temperature may exceed 140F / 60C.
Although environmentally friendly, lithium polymer cells must be FULLY discharged before disposal. Use a resistor setup (light bulbs, for example) to accomplish this, to avoid the possibility of a short-induced fire after disposal.
Immediately discharge damaged batteries at 1/2 C rate and dispose.
Do not put the loose cells in a pocket, bag, or drawer where they could short-circuit against other items, or the battery tabs could be pressed against each other.
Do not place the loose cells on any conductive surface, such as a metal-topped table.
We recommend purchasing pre-assembled packs rather than assembling packs from loose cells.
Take care that the cells are not punctured, especially by metallic objects like hobby knives.
If the electrolyte in the cells should get on your skin, thoroughly wash with soap and water. If in the eyes, rinse thoroughly with cool water. Immediately seek medical attention for this, or for burns.
Although our batteries are now water sealed, we do not recommend submerging our batteries for extended periods of time. The battery packs will be protected during normal rc conditions.


All Lithium Polymer Batteries we carry are only approved for rc use, and may not be used in any other application. Battery discharging, charging, electric motors, spinning propellers, and flying models all have the potential for serious injury to persons and damage to property. In purchasing these products, the user agrees to accept responsibility for all such risks, and not to hold the battery manufacturer, distributors, or retailers - (all including owners and employees) -responsible for any accident, injury to persons, or damage to property.

The use of Lithium Polymer batteries in radio-controlled models is to be considered experimental, and there is no warranty, expressed or implied, by the manufacturer, distributors, or retailers with respect to the capacity, life in cycles, storage, or discharge characteristics of lithium cells in RC use, nor any other use nor aspect unless otherwise stated.

Lipo Battery Warming Devices/”Bumping” Lipo Packs:

Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to “heat up” your batteries or increase the voltage of a pack above 4.2V per cell using these devices or techniques. Some insidious lithium polymer retailers/distributors have suggested using these devices and techniques to increase the performance of your lithium polymer packs. THIS IS NOT SAFE AND IS LITERALLY PLAYING WITH FIRE!

Devices on the market that heat up lithium polymer batteries can increase the risk of a fire. Lithium polymer cell manufacturers suggest that exceeding 140 degrees is NOT a safe temperature for a lithium polymer cell. At 140 degrees, the pack can become unstable and very dangerous. The small increase in performance is not worth the risk of a fire. PLEASE STAY SMART AND SAFE BY NOT USING THESE PRODUCTS!

Some retailers/distributors of other brands of lithium polymer batteries have suggested that their customers and racers “bump” the voltage of their packs using settings other than the lithium polymer setting on their charger. The manufacturers of lithium polymer cells suggest a voltage range of 3V-4.2V. Increasing voltage above 4.2V per cell is not safe. You should never attempt to charge your packs beyond the voltage set for lithium polymer packs on your lithium polymer charger. Using other battery settings to “bump” the voltage beyond 4.2V per cell can cause fire and injury. The small increase in performance is not worth the risk of fire. PLEASE DO NOT USE THESE METHODS!

arduinoAndZipties 12-06-2015 01:23 PM

I suggest from experience to set your cutoff at 3.2 volts and an alarm at 3.6 volts or so.
It's best to stop driving at the beeper, but if you are in a bad spot[on the track], you have enough time to get back to your pit stop and change the battery.
I use one of those cheap lipo buzzers off of eBay- they cost about $4 bucks.
Better to spend $4 on a buzzer than $40 on a new lipo battery pack.
I have never puffed a lipo battery and I never intend to.

phmaximus 12-06-2015 04:03 PM

every battery is different and the cut off voltage is dependant of the battery quality.
everyone knows about u cant let a lipo go to flat, blah blah blah.

thats just comment sense,

when u are playing, the battery it gets flatter and flatter and the volts start slowly dropping as the battery gets depleted then towards the end the volts will suddenly die in the arse..... if u were to plot it on a graph the voltage will slowly drop proportionally to the runtime then at the end it would drop like a cliff on a graph.

they idea is to set the LVD or LVD to before that sudden drop in volts. on brushless vehicles 3.3-3.6v per cell is the normal range and on lower current draw vehicles like brushed crawlers a normal range would 3.1-3.4v per cell.

EXT2Rob 12-07-2015 09:50 AM

All very good info. I would modify the bit about Storage Mode: USE IT, Every Time. Do not leave LiPos fully charged longer than necessary. LiPo chemistry has a "resting voltage" where it "likes to be". That is the Storage Voltage. And is the way the pack comes to you from the factory. Keeping LiPos fully charged all the time (or even a week) will eventually decrease their usable capacity, and shorten their useful life. When you're done using the battery(s) for the day, put them on Storage, every time.

Also, never, ever, use a NiMh charger, or a LiPo charger set to NiMh charging, to charge a LIPO battery.

phmaximus 12-11-2015 05:33 PM

I only use storage mode if im storing my batteries for over a month..... you dont need to do it each week tho.
and even then the differences it makes "in theory" are so little u wouldent notice the difference anyway...

IDK all i say to people... dont leave a lipo dead flat for longer than a week because the resting voltage could drop below 3v per cell

mattster1971 12-16-2015 06:12 AM

ESC's such as the Mamba max pro sct have a cutoff already programmed in at 3.2 if I am not mistaken? Can anyone verify that for me?

EXT2Rob 12-16-2015 09:46 AM

I believe that is correct.


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