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Old 11-12-2008, 06:29 PM
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big red scary thing.... lots of words...... [X(] ahh well i got a 350gb hard drive i should be good....

and now it looks like im typing a 9 page report, so if anyone comes in to bug me i'm doing homework

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Old 11-12-2008, 08:45 PM
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I am sure this has been covered before, but I am not checking out 500+ pages to search for it, so here it goes.

I bought a Venom Fireball motor for my Evader and it's dead after running it for about 12 batteries. I am going to return it and I want to know what is a good 17T motor to get in the $30 range.

How do you tell what is good from the little descriptions? Here is an example of different motors in the same price range, how to know? By the way, I use the truck on road and in the grass, all over. I don't race, just having fun.

Associated LRP GT3 Turbo Motor 17T
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLRD9&P=7

Reedy Flash Modified
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJZN4&P=7

Associated LRP V10 Spec.4 17T
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLRE6&P=7

Associated Reedy Radon 17T
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMUN9&P=7

Epic Intense Modified Motor 16T
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJNG5&P=7

Team Orion 17 Turn Double Formula SV2 Pro
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJAK3&P=7

Any other suggestions are welcome.

By the way, I am using the stock ESC, is it possible that has something to do with the motor dying, or is it that the motor is a piece of sh*t?

Many Thanks,
Ian
It probably just needs to be rebuilt. Not hard to do, but you would need to find someone who can cut the comm for you if you don't have a lathe, and put new brushes in. A lot of hobby shops can do a rebuild for you for about 10 or 15 bucks.
Though honestly you might be better off getting another motor. But I wouldn't go with anything lower than a 19T for the Sprint ESC. This motor: http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXTSG9&P=0 doesn't look like much since Tower doesn't give much of a description. It would easily blow away any of the others you listed, but it will also require more frequent maintenance because of the advanced endbell timing.

I personally run this motor http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMDY7&P=0 in my Evader and it has so much torque it chewed up the gears in my transmission on the first run. (had to loosen the slipper WAY up) I ran a 19T Fireball before that and it would hardly spin the wheels.
Do these motors need to be rebuilt after 10 or 15 batteries? I thought the lower the amount of turns, the faster the motor, so since I don't know much about motors, so please explain why this 27T motor is faster
Old 11-12-2008, 08:56 PM
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less turns more faster.more winds more rpm. the motor need to be in top conditions and the batteries toofor best perfomance, one dirty 12T and old batteries runs more slower than one stock evader motor in top conditions and good batteries.
Old 11-12-2008, 10:25 PM
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yeah, and if its a good 27t can out run a crappy 19t for sure i'ld belive that anyday, i just used 27t, and a 19t as examples cuz they are used in racing classes.. mod (19t) and stock (27t)

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Old 11-13-2008, 12:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: w98seeng

I am sure this has been covered before, but I am not checking out 500+ pages to search for it, so here it goes.

I bought a Venom Fireball motor for my Evader and it's dead after running it for about 12 batteries. I am going to return it and I want to know what is a good 17T motor to get in the $30 range.

How do you tell what is good from the little descriptions? Here is an example of different motors in the same price range, how to know? By the way, I use the truck on road and in the grass, all over. I don't race, just having fun.

Associated LRP GT3 Turbo Motor 17T
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLRD9&P=7

Reedy Flash Modified
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJZN4&P=7

Associated LRP V10 Spec.4 17T
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLRE6&P=7

Associated Reedy Radon 17T
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMUN9&P=7

Epic Intense Modified Motor 16T
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJNG5&P=7

Team Orion 17 Turn Double Formula SV2 Pro
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXJAK3&P=7

Any other suggestions are welcome.

By the way, I am using the stock ESC, is it possible that has something to do with the motor dying, or is it that the motor is a piece of sh*t?

Many Thanks,
Ian


if you hav't bought one yet then get the team orion 17t double formula sv2 pro. i had the same one, or similar and it is amazing. i used to bash with that motor all the time and never had a problem with brushes or over heating. exelent motor for the price

Old 11-13-2008, 07:42 AM
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well have been doing some research ,think im gonna get the team check point charger and balancer for lipo and a power supply and either the orion 2s 5000 or if the 5400 is out will get that. im a tower super saver member and right now they got a dael going onspend 300 dollars and get 60 dollars off,and i get free shipping for an order over 150 dollars, just hope my check from the state of pennsylvania gets here soon, thats how im getting the stuff,im a desert storm veteran and pa signed a bill to give all veterans 75 dollars for each month spent there ,maximum of 525 dollars well i got the max coming, its not alot for the hl i went thru ,but its nice . any veteran out there here is a late happy veterans day salute.
Old 11-13-2008, 01:04 PM
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Do these motors need to be rebuilt after 10 or 15 batteries? I thought the lower the amount of turns, the faster the motor, so since I don't know much about motors, so please explain why this 27T motor is faster
Well the amount of runs you can get out of a motor before it needs to be rebuilt is dependent on how you treat it and what type of motor it is. Generally motors with lower turns will need to be rebuilt more often because they run at higher RPMs. Higher RPM looks good on paper, but when you get it in your truck you'll usually find that it doesn't have much torque on takeoff, and it runs too hot which scorches the comm and brushes and only accelerates wear and tear on the motor. That severely limits the amount of flexibility you have with gearing and battery types, since lower turn motors are usually not designed for packs with over 6 cells.

Higher turn motors create more torque on takeoff, and can usually safely run packs with more than 6 cells because they don't run as hot. You also have a ton more flexibility with gearing because of that. Also since it doesn't run as hot, the brushes are less likely to get scorched, which keeps them soft and prevents them from wearing down the comm. (the comm is the part of the motor where the brushes make contact with the motor shaft).

Another thing that comes into play with that motor I linked, is endbell timing. Basically what that is is the angle of the endbell (part that holds the brushes) compared to the magnets inside the motor. By advancing the timing, or increasing the angle, it lets the motor turn faster because it changes the point where the electricity is transferred from the brush to the armature during the revolution of the motor. Increasing the timing advance does also increase how hot the motor runs, but that can be fixed by proper gearing. That motor in particular should be fine with the stock gearing in the truck.

Any brushed motor will eventually need to be rebuilt, but if you keep the motor temperature down, and spray it out with compressed air after each run then it should last at least 20 - 40 runs.
Old 11-13-2008, 04:46 PM
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don't buy a power supply use one out of an old computer, it's very easy to do
Old 11-13-2008, 06:43 PM
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well ive had enough, stripped another b2 so i orderd the alum diff from arrow. i cant believe i just spent 50 dollars on a gear that small all i know is it better hold up.
Old 11-13-2008, 06:45 PM
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well ive had enough, stripped another b2 so i orderd the alum diff from arrow. i cant believe i just spent 50 dollars on a gear that small all i know is it better hold up.
i'm sure you could spend more on a smaller one if you really wanted too
but hey it'll be worth it

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Old 11-13-2008, 06:51 PM
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yea im just tired of pulling my truck apart everytime i get rough on it
Old 11-13-2008, 07:14 PM
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Ok...I'm commencing with a new strategy. I'm tired of buying things for my Losi and Evader, and figuring out later that I need something better.

For the batteries, we just went with MaxAmps 8000 Lipo, with a 3 year warranty. The way I see it, they're expensive, but we'll never worry about batteries again. Period. Should have bought them 6 months ago.

These suckers are going to be ROCKETS baby!!
Old 11-13-2008, 07:16 PM
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the 11.1v or the 7.4v?

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Old 11-13-2008, 07:16 PM
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Let us know how it holds up.
Old 11-13-2008, 07:40 PM
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well i just got my payment refunded as there is not any demand for the gear, im in the process of trying to get his prototype. the only one evermade. If anyone needs this gear here i think i do. so i hope all works out.
Old 11-13-2008, 07:40 PM
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the 11.1v or the 7.4v?

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7.4 max amps, with the mamba max 5700.

Didn't go 11V, because that speed is uncontrollable on the track. I over researched this, spent way to much time digging around, but I think I finally have a general understanding on the good, bad, and ugly of batteries. Someone needs to write a book or article on batteries....there is way too much out there.
Old 11-13-2008, 07:41 PM
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also if i buy this gear would anyone else be willing to buy one after i battle test it? this may pursway him to start making them

Old 11-13-2008, 07:50 PM
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uhh maybe, i gotta get some spurs in so i can toast other parts [:@]

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Old 11-13-2008, 07:52 PM
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lug how are u toasting spurs before the diff, ive toasted over 6 diffs and never stripped a spur
Old 11-13-2008, 08:02 PM
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well i dont know how worth his while it may be to try producing them again but i just hope i can get one. and i really hope i dont toast it as that would be an expensive part to be at step 2 again. i want step 3 to end my problem for good
Old 11-13-2008, 08:04 PM
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its a toss up between team check point 5400 s2 7.4 lipo,5000 orion platinum edition 5000 or max amps 8000 , im for sure getting the team check point charger and balancer,and if i cant get a power supply form my buddy who works at a computer place gonna get the bulldog.
anybody have experience wiith 5400 or 5000 orion or max amps .
Old 11-13-2008, 08:10 PM
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i have a 5000 3s form max amps and have had a 8000 3s from max amps. all i can tell u is dont get them wet or they will go to total just but thats with all lipos,lol great batteries but i have no comparison but im not so sure that tru rc lipos are any less able to perform at the same level, and they are much much cheaper than max amps.

Old 11-13-2008, 08:13 PM
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and you have had no problems with them , and they have been good for you ,what charger do you have
Old 11-13-2008, 08:16 PM
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Default RE: The Evader Coalition ~ T.E.C.

riverat1540:
You wanna solve the problem, and not the symptom.
If you're toasting your diff, loosen up the slipper clutch.. I'm assuming you're running a 5700+ system..
A 4600 is what you want.

As far as lipos go, My BC6 (or BC6-10) is rockin...
I also own the TrueRC Hard Cased 5kmAh 2S 7.4V packs..
Great packs I tell ya. I'll be poppin out a review sometime next week.
Old 11-13-2008, 08:31 PM
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i understand what ur saying but if i loosen the slipper i burn it up in less than 2 runs and im tired of pulling the truck apart. my slipper is set to slip but it still takes a diff gear every now and then. and no thanks on the 4600kv im happy with the 5700 runs cool and its torque thats killing me not speed, and the 4600 is more torque than speed

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