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Introduction and Questions
Hello,
My name is Brandon, and I am a representative of Tenergy battery corporation. Some of you may already be familiar with our products, as we have quite a large presence on EBay. Many of you may have also seen our direct sales web site, All-Battery.com. We offer a complete line of batteries for the RC market, everything from 7.2 NiCd/NiMH all the way up to Lipo battery packs are available. All of our packs include a 6 month warranty, one of the longest in the industry. If you are not familiar with our RC products I invite you to have a look at this link:
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...S&Category=154
I'd also like to know what you guys value in a batery pack. The obvious choice is more power (higher capacity in mAh), but how does the cost of more power figure into your buying descision? Is buying two lower capacity packs (3800 Vs 4200) a valid option? Basically what I'd like to know is what factors go into your descision when buying batteries.
In the future I hope to be organizing group buys on battery packs, the more people we get on the list the lower the price. Below are links to some of our more popular packs. Remember that all our packs come with a 6 month warranty.
3800mAh with Deans
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1831
3800mAh Tamiya
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1030
4200mAh Tamiya
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1778
4500mAh with Deans
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1830
4500 mAh Tamiya
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1873
If you have any questions please feel free to ask me here in the thread or PM me.
My name is Brandon, and I am a representative of Tenergy battery corporation. Some of you may already be familiar with our products, as we have quite a large presence on EBay. Many of you may have also seen our direct sales web site, All-Battery.com. We offer a complete line of batteries for the RC market, everything from 7.2 NiCd/NiMH all the way up to Lipo battery packs are available. All of our packs include a 6 month warranty, one of the longest in the industry. If you are not familiar with our RC products I invite you to have a look at this link:
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...S&Category=154
I'd also like to know what you guys value in a batery pack. The obvious choice is more power (higher capacity in mAh), but how does the cost of more power figure into your buying descision? Is buying two lower capacity packs (3800 Vs 4200) a valid option? Basically what I'd like to know is what factors go into your descision when buying batteries.
In the future I hope to be organizing group buys on battery packs, the more people we get on the list the lower the price. Below are links to some of our more popular packs. Remember that all our packs come with a 6 month warranty.
3800mAh with Deans
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1831
3800mAh Tamiya
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1030
4200mAh Tamiya
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1778
4500mAh with Deans
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1830
4500 mAh Tamiya
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=1873
If you have any questions please feel free to ask me here in the thread or PM me.
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RE: Introduction and Questions
Are the Deans on them actual Deans connectors?
Also, I was wondering, do you purchase the cells from a factory in China? If so, which one?
Finally, do you or do you not make the Intellect IB series of batteries?
Also, I was wondering, do you purchase the cells from a factory in China? If so, which one?
Finally, do you or do you not make the Intellect IB series of batteries?
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Yes they are actual Deans plugs, I have used them myself along with Deans plugs that I bought at my LHS. No we do not purchase our cells from any other manufactures, we manufacture our own cells in china. The Intellect IB cells are made by another stand alone manufacturer.
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Yes they are actual Deans plugs, I have used them myself along with Deans plugs that I bought at my LHS. No we do not purchase our cells from any other manufactures, we manufacture our own cells in china. The Intellect IB cells are made by another stand alone manufacturer.
Yes they are actual Deans plugs, I have used them myself along with Deans plugs that I bought at my LHS. No we do not purchase our cells from any other manufactures, we manufacture our own cells in china. The Intellect IB cells are made by another stand alone manufacturer.
thanks you for clearing some of our questions especially the intellect IB question.. i have purchased your batteries before and i like them.
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Wow that is news to me! The original poster stated that the packs were brand new and he was concerned that they were not holding capacity. NiMH batteries need to be cycled a few times in order to reach full capacity. I'll PM the original poster to find out if he is still having issues with the packs, as he maybe within the warranty period still. It's hard to comment on the other failures described in the thread as they gave no circumstances under which the battery failed.
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thanks you for clearing some of our questions especially the intellect IB question.. i have purchased your batteries before and i like them.
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Yes they are actual Deans plugs, I have used them myself along with Deans plugs that I bought at my LHS. No we do not purchase our cells from any other manufactures, we manufacture our own cells in china. The Intellect IB cells are made by another stand alone manufacturer.
Yes they are actual Deans plugs, I have used them myself along with Deans plugs that I bought at my LHS. No we do not purchase our cells from any other manufactures, we manufacture our own cells in china. The Intellect IB cells are made by another stand alone manufacturer.
thanks you for clearing some of our questions especially the intellect IB question.. i have purchased your batteries before and i like them.
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RE: Introduction and Questions
Well if you are not affiliated with Intellect IB, I find it odd that they are featured on your companies home page... see link below.
http://www.tenergybattery.com/index....id=27&vmcchk=1
http://www.tenergybattery.com/index....id=27&vmcchk=1
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We do import the Intellect brand batteries for sale here in the US, but we are not the manufacturer of the cells.
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Oh, ok, That explains that
How would you compare your batteries to the IB's...without being too biased of course
Oh, ok, That explains that
How would you compare your batteries to the IB's...without being too biased of course
I'll try not to be too biased, shouldn't be too hard though.
The IB series of battery is totally optimized for maximum on track performance at the expense of other considerations. The IB has a reduced cycle life in comparison to the Tenergy line of batteries, for example lets say get 250 cycles out of a Tenergy pack before it has to be retired, you might only get 150 cycles out of the IBs before they have to be retired. Those numbers are used as examples only, they are not based on any type of test. The IBs achieve their on track performance through low internal resistance, which is good for racing, but it comes at a price of higher self discharge and plays a part in the shorter cycle life of the battery. The Tenergy line of batteries is designed for more long term useage in both cycles and storage. What does it all mean? Example: If you have 2 packs one IBs and the other Tenergy at the same mAh rating. The IB pack will give you higher performance but for a shorter period of time over the Tenergy pack. That performance applies to the entire life of the pack as well.
The choices that Intellect made in the design of the battery is the main reason they are the battery of choice for matchers, and also why they won so many races. Batteries form companies like GP, Sanyo, and Tenergy are more like a jack of all trades, good at all aspects of being a battery, but master of none. The IBs are specialists, they concentrate on extreme high performance, at the sacrifice of some of the other qualities, like cycle life and storage. In a dollar for dollar comparison the Tenergy batteries stack up pretty well versus the competition.
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That is good to hear. What is it about them that you like? Price/performance ratio? Also which pack did you buy?
ORIGINAL: cheech4
thanks you for clearing some of our questions especially the intellect IB question.. i have purchased your batteries before and i like them.
ORIGINAL: TenergyRep
Yes they are actual Deans plugs, I have used them myself along with Deans plugs that I bought at my LHS. No we do not purchase our cells from any other manufactures, we manufacture our own cells in china. The Intellect IB cells are made by another stand alone manufacturer.
Yes they are actual Deans plugs, I have used them myself along with Deans plugs that I bought at my LHS. No we do not purchase our cells from any other manufactures, we manufacture our own cells in china. The Intellect IB cells are made by another stand alone manufacturer.
thanks you for clearing some of our questions especially the intellect IB question.. i have purchased your batteries before and i like them.
forst off i love the price, and i ran a 7 cell tenergy in my brushless and i got really good performance out of it... not as great as a IB cell, but for the money it is a good cell...
question though? your tenergy 4500mah have a 40 amp draw thats pretty good, even better than some GP and IB batteries out there. how are you getting those numbers??
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Ohh boy thats the million dollar question.
I'll try not to be too biased, shouldn't be too hard though.
The IB series of battery is totally optimized for maximum on track performance at the expense of other considerations. The IB has a reduced cycle life in comparison to the Tenergy line of batteries, for example lets say get 250 cycles out of a Tenergy pack before it has to be retired, you might only get 150 cycles out of the IBs before they have to be retired. Those numbers are used as examples only, they are not based on any type of test. The IBs achieve their on track performance through low internal resistance, which is good for racing, but it comes at a price of higher self discharge and plays a part in the shorter cycle life of the battery. The Tenergy line of batteries is designed for more long term useage in both cycles and storage. What does it all mean? Example: If you have 2 packs one IBs and the other Tenergy at the same mAh rating. The IB pack will give you higher performance but for a shorter period of time over the Tenergy pack. That performance applies to the entire life of the pack as well.
The choices that Intellect made in the design of the battery is the main reason they are the battery of choice for matchers, and also why they won so many races. Batteries form companies like GP, Sanyo, and Tenergy are more like a jack of all trades, good at all aspects of being a battery, but master of none. The IBs are specialists, they concentrate on extreme high performance, at the sacrifice of some of the other qualities, like cycle life and storage. In a dollar for dollar comparison the Tenergy batteries stack up pretty well versus the competition.
ORIGINAL: pyro2
Oh, ok, That explains that
How would you compare your batteries to the IB's...without being too biased of course
Oh, ok, That explains that
How would you compare your batteries to the IB's...without being too biased of course
I'll try not to be too biased, shouldn't be too hard though.
The IB series of battery is totally optimized for maximum on track performance at the expense of other considerations. The IB has a reduced cycle life in comparison to the Tenergy line of batteries, for example lets say get 250 cycles out of a Tenergy pack before it has to be retired, you might only get 150 cycles out of the IBs before they have to be retired. Those numbers are used as examples only, they are not based on any type of test. The IBs achieve their on track performance through low internal resistance, which is good for racing, but it comes at a price of higher self discharge and plays a part in the shorter cycle life of the battery. The Tenergy line of batteries is designed for more long term useage in both cycles and storage. What does it all mean? Example: If you have 2 packs one IBs and the other Tenergy at the same mAh rating. The IB pack will give you higher performance but for a shorter period of time over the Tenergy pack. That performance applies to the entire life of the pack as well.
The choices that Intellect made in the design of the battery is the main reason they are the battery of choice for matchers, and also why they won so many races. Batteries form companies like GP, Sanyo, and Tenergy are more like a jack of all trades, good at all aspects of being a battery, but master of none. The IBs are specialists, they concentrate on extreme high performance, at the sacrifice of some of the other qualities, like cycle life and storage. In a dollar for dollar comparison the Tenergy batteries stack up pretty well versus the competition.
Thanks for the info! I'd say that was an honest answer. Honesty is always appreciated in the RC world
Basically it sounds like it all comes down to the chemistry recipe the different companies use to make their batteries.
I just might have to try a pack or two and see how they are
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I think you guys need to put out your best cells for preassembled Side by Side packs with Deans. I'd certainly buy one if it was at a good price.
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i agree, get a 6 cell pack of your best 4500 nimh, 40 amp draw, and set them up side by side with deans, and i would be a buyer.
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A lot of touring cars either benefit from or require SxS packs. For example, on my Cyclone, I NEED SxS packs.
There's usually a benefit to Side by Side, because they're usually assembled better.
Could you guys jack price up a LITTLE bit by doing the SxS with decent solder and battery bars instead of weld like you do on sticks?
There's usually a benefit to Side by Side, because they're usually assembled better.
Could you guys jack price up a LITTLE bit by doing the SxS with decent solder and battery bars instead of weld like you do on sticks?
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The electrical contact between batteries is greater; there is less resistance.
The other packs are called stick packs, BTW. Usually thin metal is welded to the cells, then they are pushed together; it's okay usually, but sometimes there is too much resistance, and they catch fire...
The other packs are called stick packs, BTW. Usually thin metal is welded to the cells, then they are pushed together; it's okay usually, but sometimes there is too much resistance, and they catch fire...
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Thanks for the input guys this is exactly what I need to hear. My boss wants to know exactly what it is you guys want.
Cheech: Our cells are tested in accordance with I.E.C standard testing procedures. The I.E.C is these guys here: http://www.iec.ch/index.html . My technical director tells me that the 4500mAh packs deliver 1.2V @ the 40 amp rate.
Pyro2: That is exactly right, most people assume that NiMH are all the same, not true. They chemistry can be altered to provide different characteristics. Please give our packs a try, I think you'll like them. Give them a few cycles to break in and I think you'll find they are good packs for the money spent. The main benefit of the SxS packs is that if your TC chassis is slotted for the SxS style your pack will sit lower in the tray giving a lower center of gravity for the car.
Yub, yub, cmdr! I'll talk to the boss about getting SxS packs made with the 4500mAh cells with Deans. I'll also see what we can do about soldering the SxS vs welding the tabs. We have a meeting on Friday I'll make the request then.
On a side note I want to add that Tenergy is serious about the RC business. They hired me to specifically target the RC industry, I'm a RC nut just like you guys. I currently own an AE TC4 and 2 Losi XXX-S one of the standard version and the G+ version as well. I feed my limited off road needs with an old school Tamiya Blazing Star, although I want to get my hands on a monster truck, maybe a mini monster, like a mini LST. I don't have alot of room in my yard form something 1/10.
Cheech: Our cells are tested in accordance with I.E.C standard testing procedures. The I.E.C is these guys here: http://www.iec.ch/index.html . My technical director tells me that the 4500mAh packs deliver 1.2V @ the 40 amp rate.
Pyro2: That is exactly right, most people assume that NiMH are all the same, not true. They chemistry can be altered to provide different characteristics. Please give our packs a try, I think you'll like them. Give them a few cycles to break in and I think you'll find they are good packs for the money spent. The main benefit of the SxS packs is that if your TC chassis is slotted for the SxS style your pack will sit lower in the tray giving a lower center of gravity for the car.
Yub, yub, cmdr! I'll talk to the boss about getting SxS packs made with the 4500mAh cells with Deans. I'll also see what we can do about soldering the SxS vs welding the tabs. We have a meeting on Friday I'll make the request then.
On a side note I want to add that Tenergy is serious about the RC business. They hired me to specifically target the RC industry, I'm a RC nut just like you guys. I currently own an AE TC4 and 2 Losi XXX-S one of the standard version and the G+ version as well. I feed my limited off road needs with an old school Tamiya Blazing Star, although I want to get my hands on a monster truck, maybe a mini monster, like a mini LST. I don't have alot of room in my yard form something 1/10.
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Well I work in the DC power supply industry, and we are looking at battery back up options for some of our supplies, so the engineers here taught me about the chemistry aspects of the batteries. In our lab some of the smaller Lion cells we have are 10Ah[X(] that's 10 amps kids Hook two of those babies up in series and start thinking about run times measured in days!! LOL!!
Brandon, thanks for the info and nice to see you are an RC addict...err I mean enthusiast
Hook two of those babies up in series and start thinking about run times measured in days!! LOL!!Brandon, thanks for the info and nice to see you are an RC addict...err I mean enthusiast
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I think addict is the right term, I have more cars than I have time to drive them. Now I want to get a Monster Truck too?!?!? What am I thinking? Oh yeah RC is fun thats what I'm thinking. Also I think it would be fun to chase my dog around the back yard with an Mini LST.
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Was just talking to one of my buddies here and found out we have 50, 90 and 200 amp hour L ions here.... granted they are kind of big, but now we are talking RUN TIME!!
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Well I work in the DC power supply industry, and we are looking at battery back up options for some of our supplies, so the engineers here taught me about the chemistry aspects of the batteries. In our lab some of the smaller Lion cells we have are 10Ah[X(] that's 10 amps kids Hook two of those babies up in series and start thinking about run times measured in days!! LOL!!
Brandon, thanks for the info and nice to see you are an RC addict...err I mean enthusiast
Well I work in the DC power supply industry, and we are looking at battery back up options for some of our supplies, so the engineers here taught me about the chemistry aspects of the batteries. In our lab some of the smaller Lion cells we have are 10Ah[X(] that's 10 amps kids
Hook two of those babies up in series and start thinking about run times measured in days!! LOL!!Brandon, thanks for the info and nice to see you are an RC addict...err I mean enthusiast
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Could you PM me the links to the exact cells you are refering to. I want to make sure we are on the same page.
Could you PM me the links to the exact cells you are refering to. I want to make sure we are on the same page.