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Old 04-21-2006, 01:43 PM
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Default The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

Ok guys, I've came across many threads, posts, what is the real truth about using your tx with your sim.. I have the G2 & G3 now and I want to get used to the feel of my Tx in my own hands when I get ready to start my helicopter learning to fly training since this is the radio I'll be using in "real life".. So can we use them or NO? Any precautions? Keep the antenna in, extended, or just simply remove it all together??

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PS- I have a Futaba radio
Old 04-21-2006, 02:01 PM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

there is 2 things to watch out for when using your own radio. 1, i think it needs to be 8 channel radio to work on g3, and 2, when you use your own radio on g3, it will reset all of your subtrims, dualrates, exponetional back to zero.(sorry if this has nothing to do with your question)
Old 04-21-2006, 03:24 PM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

In general, you don't need an 8 channel radio with G3. I've used 4 and 7 channel radios and had no problems except that on the aircraft that actually use the missing channels. So, if you are using a 6-8 channel radio, you'll probably be just fine unless you need the extra channels for your helicopter application. When you set up your radio, start with everything at factory specs and go from there. You'll need to be in PPM/FM mode, NOT PCM. If your channels are reversed, double check the controller set up in G3. I've found that everytime I connect a new Tx to the game it starts out with some of them reversed. G3 cannot reset anything on your radio. It is a one-way communication link. In other words, your radio sends a signal to the game, the game does not send anything to your radio. Also, just keep your antenna collapsed. Your radio does not need to send a RF signal at all, it is just sending a signal through the Interlink cord. Some people take out the Tx crystals or frequency modules completely to save battery power.

Now, after you have gotten it set up for the basics, then you can start to program your own Tx for your needs.

Hope that helps. I've had really good luck using my Futaba 7CAP with G3.
Old 04-22-2006, 02:20 PM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

Thanks for the replies guys all seems to work fine leaving the antenna in and collapsed..
Thanks for the quick replies...

Chris
Old 04-23-2006, 07:38 AM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

Has anyone got G3 working with their own TX and sim cable??? particually the cable that connects via your sound card
Old 04-23-2006, 08:50 AM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

It is NOT a good idea to operate your radio for long periods with the antenna down. This causes the transmission electronics to become overworked and heated. It is best to remove the crystal so that the transmitter is actually disabled. On the Futaba 9C I simply pop the RF module from the back of the radio.

People don't remove them to save juice (an added benefit), but to prevent damage to the crystal/electronics.

Sure it'll work fine, but you are heating those components up... somewhere down the orad, pehpas wiht a plane in the air, you might experience shortened range or worse, total failure.



ORIGINAL: Chriscru

Thanks for the replies guys all seems to work fine leaving the antenna in and collapsed..
Thanks for the quick replies...

Chris
Old 04-23-2006, 09:35 AM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

Ok that I have read before.. So lets say I just use my Futaba 6XA then... I just remove the crystal from the radio and unscrew and remove the antenna and I should be ok right?

Thanks
Chris
Old 04-23-2006, 10:01 AM
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ORIGINAL: jaskel

Has anyone got G3 working with their own TX and sim cable??? particually the cable that connects via your sound card
G3 will not even load without the supplied controller hooked up, you have to have it plugged in then plug your tx into the controller to use your own tx, or at least that's been my experience with it...
Old 04-23-2006, 10:11 AM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

You don't have to remove your antenna (that's about the same as having it completely retracted (no antenna mast to speak of).

Just pull your crystal and enjoy.




ORIGINAL: Chriscru

Ok that I have read before.. So lets say I just use my Futaba 6XA then... I just remove the crystal from the radio and unscrew and remove the antenna and I should be ok right?

Thanks
Chris
Old 04-23-2006, 05:36 PM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

I "fly" my G3 with my Futaba 9CAP.
I have to hook it to the sim controller with one of the supplied cables just like you would a buddy box.
I also take the module out of the 9CAP so that I can leave the Tx on with the antenna down and not damage anything.
It does work.
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Old 04-25-2006, 08:45 AM
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What!, I thought that when the TX is set toâ€pupil-mode†the antenna module is not in use??
I dont hope I need to fly with antenna extended, or x-tal removed, do I??
(My TX is MC4000, and simulator will be Reflex)
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Not sure the cable puts the transmitter into trainer mode... You are still the "master" radio unless you hit the trainer switch... since that switch is never hit when you are flying a sim, it's always the master and always transmitting.

A simple way to test? TUrn on a plane while you are in the sim and see if you surfaces go wiggly wiggly
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Better still, see if your planes surfaces go wiggly wiggly...
Old 04-25-2006, 03:26 PM
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Thanks :-)
Well I just tried it. TX in pupil mode, and it still sends through its ariel. Only (of cause) with all mixers set to zero. The controlsurfaces on my test plane went crazy So that did it; I'm not using my MC4000 for simulator purpose, since I wont be sitting by the PC with the ariel more or less extended, and I deffently will not take the x-tal out. I'll try to buy a pupil-module for my old Futaba F14 instead.
Old 04-25-2006, 06:49 PM
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

You don't need to do anything special to use the Futaba 9C with a simulator. If you connect the sim cable without turning the transmitter on first, the 9C powers up by itself, and does not broadcast a signal. Removing the RF module causes uneeded wear and tear on that crucial connector.
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

Great tip Don...

I always went by the 9C FAQ that is on Futaba's site [link=http://www.futabarc.com/faq/faq-9c-q544.html]HERE[/link]:

It says:

Can I turn off the RF output like the 9Z does?
Yes, by using the DSC cord and a DSC compatible receiver such as the R149DP or the R309DPS. Otherwise, no. To avoid transmitting while doing programming or simulator use, you must remove the module.


Maybe the simulator cord acts as a DSC cord for the transmitter and turns it off??? Though they specifically say that it does... I wonder if it prevent transmittion but still heats the goodies? I'll send them an e-mail to make sure...

You're right that WOULD save wear and tear on the module/pins...

If it is being turned off, do you think that is the case with all sims and their respective cables or just AFPD? In other words might the AFPD cable (because it turns on the transmitter by shorting two pins) be different than say RFG3? You wouldn't think so, but then again I never thought to check about the RF module being left in place either.

Anywho... thanks for the info.
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Power up a real model, and connect a sim cable (Reflex or AFPD) to power up the 9C, and see if the real model responds to the transmitter.....
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Yep... I did that just now... and no control at all.

I'm using AFPD Pro Deluxe.

Seems like it's the cool way to go... I did send Futaba an e-mail to confirm though that it's still not doing something... but if it's not transmitting... and that's what get's "hot" well this looks like a winner...

I thank you and my 9C Super thanks you...
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The trainer/simulator connector is the only connector on a 9C besides the battery charger connector. Since the 9C is also DSC capable, that connector is also the DSC port.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXBNA0&P=7
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Has anyone got G3 working with their own TX and sim cable??? particually the cable that connects via your sound card
G3 will not even load without the supplied controller hooked up, you have to have it plugged in then plug your tx into the controller to use your own tx, or at least that's been my experience with it...
How about with G2?? i cant get it working at all...only works with FMS...

Please help...

I also cant stop the sound of the tx coming thru my speakers.
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You need to use Realflight's cable as it acts as a copy protection... which means either buy the program or stick with FMS.
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

but ive used G2 with my walkera TX using PPJOY..is there a simalar way with my new TX that uses the earphone type jack.
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The "wearphone jack" is the JR connector...a nd that's why you are getting noise from your sound car... DON'T plug that into the sound card again or you are likely to blow the transmitter... if you haven't already....

There are adapters that change the JR connector to others... check http://www.aeroflypro.com

Look at the very bottom of the page for adapters...
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Default RE: The TRUTH about using a real TX with a sim

I think this is what I need;

"SIMCOM USB FOR AFP, AFPD and FMS" found here; http://www.aeroflypro.com

would somthing like this work to convert to USB on my TX;

would somthing like this also work??

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ist&sku=379822

http://www.evocal.co.uk/index.cfm?ev...ategoryID=1038

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Nope... that is for AFPD only... AND you need the original AFP cable too (it has the built in dongle). I think ti DOES work with you FMS tho... if not the HiTec one does...

http://www.hitecrcd.com/homepage/product_fs.htm


I think you've got all you're gonna get til you purchase another sim...

Horizon Hobby just came out with one too... http://www.fsone.com/

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