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Old 10-30-2003, 03:16 PM
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Default Old Canard kits in the LA area?

There was a guy designing beautiful looking canard model kits in the LA area around 10 years ago.
He flew in the El Segundo CA area.
ANYONE REMEMBER HIM AND HIS KITS?
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Old 10-30-2003, 04:11 PM
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That was Richard Jarel, company was called J.A.D.E. for Jarel Aircraft Design & Engineering.

His Canard was called Telos.

I saw him fly one at Hughes Hill by LMU and was so impressed with it I bought one. Got it built, and flew it a few times without a paint job before moving to Michigan. There are no flyable slopes around here so a few years back I sacrificed it to eBay.

I never really had time to get it sorted but I saw the designer fly his, so I knew it was a great flyer (then again, they all are when the designer is flying them!).

But O what a beautiful plane! Memories of it still haunt me, along with the SR-7 and 2 Hobie Hawks I've owned but sold in moments of insanity....

I might have pictures somewhere if you're interested.

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Old 10-30-2003, 04:37 PM
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Aloha
Thanks for the quick reply!
I had 2 of them, I liked them so much.
One time one lost transmission to it and it flew on its own and landed without a scratch a 1/4 mile away!
Credit to canard designs.
Dan

PS: WHERE IS HE NOW?
CAN THEY BE HAD AGAIN?
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I still have a Telos. Infact I'm in the process of rebuilding it right now. What a great flyer!....even in light air! It should be ready to fly again in about 3 days. I can't wait! It flys backwards and also hovers! If anyone would like to see pictures I'll post some.
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Old 11-01-2003, 10:25 PM
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Yes, please post some pics!
I want another, what happen to the guy, can he be contacted again? J.A.D.E.
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Old 11-02-2003, 12:23 AM
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Gun,
Here's the last address I could find, from a 1988 issue of Model Builder:

Jarel Aircraft Design & Engineering
11367 Culver Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

(213) 390-1348

They've gotten a bunch of new area codes out there since then so it may not be 213 any more, if it's even a good phone # Worth a try though.

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Old 11-02-2003, 12:34 AM
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I remember him around 1990 at his garage full of many cool designs models.
I hear he went belly up sometime back, maybe he still has molds or kits stashed away.
I had 2 Telos's and only saw a prototype of the Shogun.
I'll give his # a try
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I too used to fly the Telos. It was pretty amazing on flight characteristics. I would pull in over the landing site, and pull full back on the elevator, and it would just just elevator down. I have two fuses, one the original and one that is unbuilt. I too was looking for some cores, so that I could go fly it again.
Best of luck, if you do find him, pass along the contact, as I could use two of the forward canopies.
PS sorry about the quality of the pictures, they are over 10 plus years old.

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Thanks for the pictures from print.
The reproduction of the pictures are petty good for what you had to work with.
That looks like the Ferman Slope?
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...here's a picture of my Telos. It has been rebuilt a number of times. I built the first one with 1/64th sheet plywood but eventually changed the main wing to sheet balsa and left the canard with ply. I've reenforced the nose area with carbon fiber where it usually breaks. Nothing flies like this glider! I wish it was still available. Enjoy:
Another great glider is the 'Hobie Hawk'
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Man what a beauty!!! I remember seing that glider in a magazine back when i was younger...Too young to afford any RC he he he i remember looking at it and just imagine how that thing would look against a blue sky!! If by any chance some one starts producing plans or kits for this planes please post!!! This is a piece of the past i want to grab a hold on! he he he
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When visiting Richards's garage I remember how much ahead in designing he was.
He had his own version of a BD-5, very cool.
It would be interesting if there was a canard F3B and see if you could spot land with it.
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ORIGINAL: bigdipper

...here's a picture of my Telos. It has been rebuilt a number of times. I built the first one with 1/64th sheet plywood but eventually changed the main wing to sheet balsa and left the canard with ply. I've reenforced the nose area with carbon fiber where it usually breaks. Nothing flies like this glider! I wish it was still available. Enjoy:
Another great glider is the 'Hobie Hawk'
BigDipper,
you have made me get my fuses down from the rafters. Can you do me a favor and let me know the two spans, of the main wing and of the canard. Along with the root chord and tip chord of each. I plan to order some cores to get mine rebuilt.
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Hi Ray. I've got the measurements of the Telos wings for ya:
Main wing: 9 1/4" Root
5" Tip
Canard: 4 1/4" Root
2 7/8" Tip
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...again I say I changed the main wing to sheet balsa and it flies much better in light air.
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...here ya go: Telos specs: Main: 9 1/4" root 5" tip
Canard: 4 1/4" root 2 7/8" tip
....again I say I changed the main wing to sheet balsa and it flies even better in light air.
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...ooooops! Posted twice. sorry.
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Gary,
thanks for the stuff, more than what I was expecting, and dang you for making me take the fuses down and build them.

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...if you hear anything about J.A.D.E. let me know. It would be nice to have more back-up parts. I busted up my 1st canopy, but luckily I had have a spare.
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Gary,
if you can spare it for just a short while, I could make a mold using the one you have, and send you a couple extras laid up out of Epoxy.
Cost you nothing, just the use of your canopy.

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I belive JADE and all spare parts went the way of extinsion.
So if you find any, let alone a complete kit, it would be a marical.
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The only real spare part is the canopy.
the cores can be pretty basic or elaborate as you like, so that just leaves the fuse to replace.

Gary, just realized, got everything but the span of the wing and canard.
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Wow... this looks even better than I'd imagined !

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Hi Ray. Here ya go: Picture attached.
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MY MAN!

Thank you very much.



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Hey Ray. Are you going to try a different airfoil? I'm not sure what the original is. It's definately semi symetrical. Show me some pictures when you're done.
I've got the original instruction book if you need it. I've been flying mine with the CG about 1/4" back from what he said in the plans....but that's just my style.
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