C-ARF Ultra Flash build Thread + Video
#4726
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I am about a third of the way through the build and I have a quick question for those of you running the saddle tanks. I am planning on not ducting the turbine but I do want to run the saddle tanks. Without the ducting in place the saddles don't have anything to hold them in place. How are you guys keeping the saddle tanks from moving or am I just better doing all the work to get the ducting in? Thanks
Josh
Josh
#4727
Josh
I used 2 blobs of silicone glue to hold them in place
I am now building my 2nd flash and also doing away with the ducting and using saddles
But this time I am keeping weight down to a minimum
No smoke pump, and as few trays as possible
They fly even better when they weigh less.
Izzy
I used 2 blobs of silicone glue to hold them in place
I am now building my 2nd flash and also doing away with the ducting and using saddles
But this time I am keeping weight down to a minimum
No smoke pump, and as few trays as possible
They fly even better when they weigh less.
Izzy
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Dave or anybody
I am in need of a turbine sensor cable for a evojet 160 vx part # 8101 Do you know anybody that may have one ? Some how I broke off the clear plastic clip that holds the cable at the engine. I cant find a evojet sales in the USA this cant be good if I need service or parts?
Thanks
Gary
I am in need of a turbine sensor cable for a evojet 160 vx part # 8101 Do you know anybody that may have one ? Some how I broke off the clear plastic clip that holds the cable at the engine. I cant find a evojet sales in the USA this cant be good if I need service or parts?
Thanks
Gary
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On Friday afternoon I officially joined the club and maidened my Ultra Flash. I know it has been said before, but it is worth repeating. What a great flying plane. After 3 flights on Friday and 5 more today, I just can't get the smile off my face. I am uploading some video to YouTube now and will share a link a little later. Thanks to everyone on here that helped me out. This thread and its contributors have been amazing. Here's to many more flights.
Josh
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Here is the link to the video we shot yesterday. This is my 5th flight on the plane. I am still getting things tweaked a bit but I am getting more and more confident with the plane after each and every flight. If the weather is good, my goal is to do my turbine waiver flight next weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSopRKhNbZ0
Josh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSopRKhNbZ0
Josh
#4737
Control movements as Classic Flash manual (on CARF site) If you go +10 -12mm on aileron 30% expo and +18-21mm on elevator 45-55% expo, max rudder 20% Expo . 20mm TO flap and 85-90mm landing flap 1.5mm and 4mm down elevator with flap. I'm sure you can adjust from here. I don't like or run CROW. Some do. If you put 3-5mm CROW it has little adverse effect
My set up is more movement!
Dave
My set up is more movement!
Dave
Thanks, Chris
#4739
My Feedback: (1)
Dave and all,
It has been a while since I set up my last flash.
I am trying to set the flaps on my Ultra Flash. Flaps up is giving me a hard time to eliminate the binding. It does not bind until the last 1/16-1/8 inch. I have looked everywhere and cannot find the culprit causing the problem.
I am sure some of you have seen the problem and if so how did you solve it? I am trying to set the flaps even with the ailerons when they are lined up with the tips.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Stan
It has been a while since I set up my last flash.
I am trying to set the flaps on my Ultra Flash. Flaps up is giving me a hard time to eliminate the binding. It does not bind until the last 1/16-1/8 inch. I have looked everywhere and cannot find the culprit causing the problem.
I am sure some of you have seen the problem and if so how did you solve it? I am trying to set the flaps even with the ailerons when they are lined up with the tips.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Stan
#4740
Hi Stan,
This is a really interesting question.
I was setting up a UF yesterday and noticed that one flap was binding and the other was fine.
I believe the binding may be from the upper surface or the wing where the trailing edge and the flap meet.
If you look at this section you will see that the flap butts up hard upon flap retraction.
I think I may need to remove a small amount of flap in this area.
It does sound like your flap is binding well before it touches the wing though.
Check that the pushrod is not hitting the "foam" part of the wing that it passes through. I had to make that hole a little bigger as it was binding there on both flap movement extremes.
Will be interesting to hear what Dave says as well. I reckon settting the flap up on the UF is the hardest part of the build.
This is a really interesting question.
I was setting up a UF yesterday and noticed that one flap was binding and the other was fine.
I believe the binding may be from the upper surface or the wing where the trailing edge and the flap meet.
If you look at this section you will see that the flap butts up hard upon flap retraction.
I think I may need to remove a small amount of flap in this area.
It does sound like your flap is binding well before it touches the wing though.
Check that the pushrod is not hitting the "foam" part of the wing that it passes through. I had to make that hole a little bigger as it was binding there on both flap movement extremes.
Will be interesting to hear what Dave says as well. I reckon settting the flap up on the UF is the hardest part of the build.
Dave and all,
It has been a while since I set up my last flash.
I am trying to set the flaps on my Ultra Flash. Flaps up is giving me a hard time to eliminate the binding. It does not bind until the last 1/16-1/8 inch. I have looked everywhere and cannot find the culprit causing the problem.
I am sure some of you have seen the problem and if so how did you solve it? I am trying to set the flaps even with the ailerons when they are lined up with the tips.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Stan
It has been a while since I set up my last flash.
I am trying to set the flaps on my Ultra Flash. Flaps up is giving me a hard time to eliminate the binding. It does not bind until the last 1/16-1/8 inch. I have looked everywhere and cannot find the culprit causing the problem.
I am sure some of you have seen the problem and if so how did you solve it? I am trying to set the flaps even with the ailerons when they are lined up with the tips.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Stan
#4741
My Feedback: (1)
Hi Stan,
This is a really interesting question.
I was setting up a UF yesterday and noticed that one flap was binding and the other was fine.
I believe the binding may be from the upper surface or the wing where the trailing edge and the flap meet.
If you look at this section you will see that the flap butts up hard upon flap retraction.
I think I may need to remove a small amount of flap in this area.
It does sound like your flap is binding well before it touches the wing though.
Check that the pushrod is not hitting the "foam" part of the wing that it passes through. I had to make that hole a little bigger as it was binding there on both flap movement extremes.
Will be interesting to hear what Dave says as well. I reckon settting the flap up on the UF is the hardest part of the build.
This is a really interesting question.
I was setting up a UF yesterday and noticed that one flap was binding and the other was fine.
I believe the binding may be from the upper surface or the wing where the trailing edge and the flap meet.
If you look at this section you will see that the flap butts up hard upon flap retraction.
I think I may need to remove a small amount of flap in this area.
It does sound like your flap is binding well before it touches the wing though.
Check that the pushrod is not hitting the "foam" part of the wing that it passes through. I had to make that hole a little bigger as it was binding there on both flap movement extremes.
Will be interesting to hear what Dave says as well. I reckon settting the flap up on the UF is the hardest part of the build.
Your suggestions are all good ones. You are right the flap is very close to the wing when it is fully up. I did clean that area up and it appears that although close they are not touching.
I did widen the area that the pushrod passes through and they don't appear to be touching. I am almost tempted to fly with the flaps slightly down to stop the binding. I bet it won't make that much of difference in the way it fly's.
I am sure Dave will have the answer.
Stan
#4742
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There is a build up of resin usually on the curved fairing, I chamfer the lower edge of the top skin of the flap on the edge where it butts up against the wing cut line. Then with a BVM scuff board I remove any build up in the joint corner between the wing skin and that curved fairing
Dave
Dave
#4743
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There is a build up of resin usually on the curved fairing, I chamfer the lower edge of the top skin of the flap on the edge where it butts up against the wing cut line. Then with a BVM scuff board I remove any build up in the joint corner between the wing skin and that curved fairing
Dave
Dave
I will get right on it. I did try to clean that area up but probably did not do a good enough job.
Stan
#4744
Ultra flash front door
Use a set of hinges that I had from my Carf hawk gear doors
looks neater I think
Added a sling to close when retracted so doesn't get hit while transporting
Use a set of hinges that I had from my Carf hawk gear doors
looks neater I think
Added a sling to close when retracted so doesn't get hit while transporting
#4745
My Feedback: (1)
Well, I have now spent several days trying to track down the reason my flaps are meeting resistance the last 3/16-1/4 inch as the flaps come to the full up position level with the ailerons. I have completely removed the flap push rod and sanded any areas where there could be any friction during the flap movement.
There is nothing touching as far as I can tell.
I have put a amp meter in series with each flap to see what the draw is. In the flaps landing and take off position the amp meter reads zero all the way to the last quarter of an inch to fully up. At that point the meter reads .17, way to much. I just burned up a 330 oz digital servo after my last flight.
I am very frustrated as I cannot find anything touching causing a bind. It must have something to do with the flap hinge itself.
Am I the only one having this problem? There must be someone with the Ultra flash that has seen this before and was able to find the reason. I certainly cannot be the only one there experiencing this.
Any help would be appreciated. I can't keep replacing 100 dollar servos
Stan
There is nothing touching as far as I can tell.
I have put a amp meter in series with each flap to see what the draw is. In the flaps landing and take off position the amp meter reads zero all the way to the last quarter of an inch to fully up. At that point the meter reads .17, way to much. I just burned up a 330 oz digital servo after my last flight.
I am very frustrated as I cannot find anything touching causing a bind. It must have something to do with the flap hinge itself.
Am I the only one having this problem? There must be someone with the Ultra flash that has seen this before and was able to find the reason. I certainly cannot be the only one there experiencing this.
Any help would be appreciated. I can't keep replacing 100 dollar servos
Stan
#4746
My Feedback: (25)
Stan...check your push rod lengths. I know this sounds crazy but I just built mine a few months ago. For some reason even though I had the servos on the same spline and I had the exact same horn length on both sides I would get one binding as well. I finally just adjusted one sides pushrod. Until it was happy. Then I adjusted the travels to match in my radio. I don't know why it was strange and I chased the problem for 3 hours. But it's fine now 20+ flights.
#4748
Thread Starter
UF is still the most popular high performance sports jet in the UK, every meeting has several examples flying. I had the pleasure of test flight one last weekend, also a couple of others were constantly in the air.
#4749
Well, I have now spent several days trying to track down the reason my flaps are meeting resistance the last 3/16-1/4 inch as the flaps come to the full up position level with the ailerons. I have completely removed the flap push rod and sanded any areas where there could be any friction during the flap movement.
There is nothing touching as far as I can tell.
I have put a amp meter in series with each flap to see what the draw is. In the flaps landing and take off position the amp meter reads zero all the way to the last quarter of an inch to fully up. At that point the meter reads .17, way to much. I just burned up a 330 oz digital servo after my last flight.
I am very frustrated as I cannot find anything touching causing a bind. It must have something to do with the flap hinge itself.
Am I the only one having this problem? There must be someone with the Ultra flash that has seen this before and was able to find the reason. I certainly cannot be the only one there experiencing this.
Any help would be appreciated. I can't keep replacing 100 dollar servos
Stan
There is nothing touching as far as I can tell.
I have put a amp meter in series with each flap to see what the draw is. In the flaps landing and take off position the amp meter reads zero all the way to the last quarter of an inch to fully up. At that point the meter reads .17, way to much. I just burned up a 330 oz digital servo after my last flight.
I am very frustrated as I cannot find anything touching causing a bind. It must have something to do with the flap hinge itself.
Am I the only one having this problem? There must be someone with the Ultra flash that has seen this before and was able to find the reason. I certainly cannot be the only one there experiencing this.
Any help would be appreciated. I can't keep replacing 100 dollar servos
Stan
But here is what my problem was ( as Dave Mentioned ) There is run off glue on the flap joints , you have to carefully remove it and check the flaps operation by hand no radio until it is very smooth and closes without any pressure . Trust me I thought I had done right but upon looking at it again I saw binding and that is what the problem is . I struggled with mine for months and lots of buzzing servos . Mine works so smooth now. Nooo binding and quite servos . Take the time and do this carefully and the problem will go away .
Use a fine sand paper and a small file and work slowly checking periodically to make sure not to do too much .
That is what is the problem nothing else .I was very frustrated as well.
#4750
My Feedback: (1)
Yes I got your note referring to the ball link rubbing. So I removed the ball link. Used a small flash light looking in from the aileron side with the aileron in the up position which allows you to look in with the flap fully up. The flap still springs away from full up.
Stan