RC Jets Discuss RC jets in this forum plus rc turbines and ducted fan power systems

The new Tornado sport jet

Reply
Old 11-01-2010, 10:14 PM
  #126
ledd4u
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Miramar, FL
Posts: 350
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Hit on the nail with the expert comment. Do this do that glue it here don't use that try this my way it's better this way drill here no drill no. Use this servo no try this engine what if page 4 said that why page 4 don't say this. You get it
ledd4u is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2010, 10:16 PM
  #127
doubledcom
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Orland ParkIllinois
Posts: 20
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Hi Henry,

I read the part where you said that the booms and rear stab are glued together and are taken off as one piece by removing the 4 boom screws from the wings. My question is, are the wings then of the plug in type and if so how are they attached to the fuse, or are the wings glued onto the fuse. I am asking this for the ease of transport and assembly at the field.

Thanks,


Dennis DeGregorio
www.palosrc.com
dennis@palosrc.com

doubledcom is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 12:05 AM
  #128
Pepperpete
 
Pepperpete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Grande Prairie, AB, CANADA
Posts: 630
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Quote:
ORIGINAL: ledd4u

Hit on the nail with the expert comment. Do this do that glue it here don't use that try this my way it's better this way drill here no drill no. Use this servo no try this engine what if page 4 said that why page 4 don't say this. You get it
Hey look guys! More people just trying to get their post count up by posting absolutely nothing useful to the discussion of this new jet. Talking about what may work and what may be improved is the lifeblood of these boards. People so far are asking good honest questions. And as for re-engineering the whole aircraft? Give me a break. But hey lets get even more melodramatic!

Just move along guys or ignore the posts you don't like. Simple as that.
Pepperpete is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 01:34 AM
  #129
ira d
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Moreno Valley, CA
Posts: 3,049
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet


Quote:
ORIGINAL: doubledcom

Hi Henry,

I read the part where you said that the booms and rear stab are glued together and are taken off as one piece by removing the 4 boom screws from the wings. My question is, are the wings then of the plug in type and if so how are they attached to the fuse, or are the wings glued onto the fuse. I am asking this for the ease of transport and assembly at the field.

Thanks,


Dennis DeGregorio
www.palosrc.com
dennis@palosrc.com

The wings are the plug in type but I would guess they would be next to impossible to remove at the field once all your on board gear is installed I know its that way
on the Falcon 120.
ira d is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:38 AM
  #130
Modellbau USA
Thread Starter
 
Modellbau USA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 773
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

The booms are one piece like I have mentioned they do come off very easy with 4 screws, the wings are plug in and are held together by two screws on each wing that are also very easy to remove. So the plane come apart fairly quickly. It is also small enough to keep built. I have a full size SUV and it fits in there with out taking apart anything.
Modellbau USA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:33 AM
  #131
laserbeam
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: North Miami Florida
Posts: 49
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Those were great pictures , that is one awesome jet i can't wait to have !!! thank you Henry !!!
laserbeam is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:57 AM
  #132
rpat
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Weirton, WV
Posts: 325
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Henry,
When will you have the video up. I want to see the tornado in action.
rpat is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 08:05 AM
  #133
Modellbau USA
Thread Starter
 
Modellbau USA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 773
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

We are building the airplane you saw pictures of as well as writing the manuel at the same time so I expect to have a video sometime next week. Thank you for your patience.
Modellbau USA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 08:21 AM
  #134
yeahbaby
 
yeahbaby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: FT Worth, TX
Posts: 5,799
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Hey Henry

maybe I missed in a previous post but do you plan to develop some scale stuff. Lord knows we have enough F15s, F16s, P51s etc. but thought I'd ask

keep up the good work amigo [sm=thumbup.gif][sm=thumbup.gif]
yeahbaby is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 08:30 AM
  #135
Modellbau USA
Thread Starter
 
Modellbau USA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 773
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

***** Shipping Info for the TORNADO*******

The dimensions for the box are as follows 46x19x9 weight 10lb.. For domestic shipping we are working with FeEx to get the cheapest rate posssible. For our international customers We will be shipping via USPS or by your freight forwarder of choice. If your shipping quote you receive from these places is to expensive another option will be to wait for a authorized dealer near you to stock these. All dealers should have there stock of kits my March. The dealer list is as follows

U.S. and Canada
1. Modellbau USA
2. Troy Built Models

United Kingdom
1. ColChester A1 Models


Rest of Europe
1. Modellbau Pollack

Australia and New Zealand
1. Southern Cross RC


Modellbau USA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 09:24 AM
  #136
Modellbau USA
Thread Starter
 
Modellbau USA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 773
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

For the people that were asking us about the reinforcement for the tail this is just one of the things that has been done to give added strength in this area. Along with fiber-glassing prior to painting.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Sq45843.jpg
Views:	66
Size:	59.0 KB
ID:	1527141  
Modellbau USA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 09:54 AM
  #137
LGM Graphix
 
LGM Graphix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Abbotsford, BC, CANADA
Posts: 5,137
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet


Quote:
ORIGINAL: Modellbau USA

For the people that were asking us about the reinforcement for the tail this is just one of the things that has been done to give added strength in this area. Along with fiber-glassing prior to painting.

oooooooo, what are the odds that the F14 in the background is a future model from modellbau?
LGM Graphix is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 10:27 AM
  #138
Modellbau USA
Thread Starter
 
Modellbau USA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 773
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

well at this time we will not discuss that
Modellbau USA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 11:27 AM
  #139
Pepperpete
 
Pepperpete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Grande Prairie, AB, CANADA
Posts: 630
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet


Quote:
ORIGINAL: Modellbau USA

For the people that were asking us about the reinforcement for the tail this is just one of the things that has been done to give added strength in this area. Along with fiber-glassing prior to painting.
That does look MUCH stronger than what's on my Falcon. I can't wait to replace this bird with something cleaner like the Tornado.
Pepperpete is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 11:46 AM
  #140
BaldEagel
 
BaldEagel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Kent, UNITED KINGDOM
Posts: 9,635
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Please do not take this as critissm, just an observation from an old retired structural engineer.

If the inside of the Tornado is the same as the Falcon 120 at the rear engine mount then structually its not the best solution for less than prefect landings or less than perfect fields, if its the same its still a cantilever that is trying to take its strength from the skin of the fus without transfering the canterlever moment into a structural member, those that had problems with the Falcon had the skin of the fus cracking at the joint between the mount and the fus where the right angle is formed by the mount, by introducing the wedge as shown the forces will not be spread by the fus flexing, but will induce a crack at the joint line, may I suggest a better solution would be to take a structural tube or rod through the engine mount into the inside of the fus and glue it to the internal root rib on both sides.

Mike
BaldEagel is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 04:00 PM
  #141
joeflyer
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Plymouth, MI
Posts: 2,647
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet


Quote:
ORIGINAL: BaldEagel

Please do not take this as critissm, just an observation from an old retired structural engineer.

If the inside of the Tornado is the same as the Falcon 120 at the rear engine mount then structually its not the best solution for less than prefect landings or less than perfect fields, if its the same its still a cantilever that is trying to take its strength from the skin of the fus without transfering the canterlever moment into a structural member, those that had problems with the Falcon had the skin of the fus cracking at the joint between the mount and the fus where the right angle is formed by the mount, by introducing the wedge as shown the forces will not be spread by the fus flexing, but will induce a crack at the joint line, may I suggest a better solution would be to take a structural tube or rod through the engine mount into the inside of the fus and glue it to the internal root rib on both sides.

Mike
My thoughts exactly, from another engineer. One big mistake in the Falcon 120 design is that the flat piece of wood inside the bottom of the mount area stops at that right angle at the rear of the fuse. Any stresses on the mount are concentrated at that corner, which is why they typically crack there, and adding a wedge to the outside does nothing to improve the situation. A simple fix would be to extend the wood a couple inches into the fuse and add a rear former to tie it into the rear fuse fiberglass structure.

Those of us that regularly fly a Falcon 120 and have built a few are very familiar with its shortcomings. The Falcon 120 thread is full of various approaches to correct those issues and make the airframe safe for turbine application. Most of the comments and questions here are from potential customers who want to be assured that those issues have been addressed with the Tornado. I didn't interpret any comments as "Why don't you do it my way?". From his responses it appears that Henry and crew have done an excellent job of addressing the know shortfalls of the Falcon 120.

Regards,
Joe
joeflyer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 04:10 PM
  #142
Woketman
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Slidell, LA
Posts: 5,333
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Or better yet, get rid of the abrupt corner. It is not needed for a turbine configuration. Put a nice radius there AND internal longitudinal beams.
Woketman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 04:32 PM
  #143
Modellbau USA
Thread Starter
 
Modellbau USA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 773
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

I totally appreciate all the feed back I am getting from all. We have done the very best to keep the cost of this airplane down with jeopardizing structural integrity. If you use the suggested engine there will not be sufficient weight to cause a problem in breaking the rear mount. We have reinforced it the necessary amount not to have that happen. I really appreciate all the comments that everybody has written out so far and I hope I addressed all questions. We are doing are best to give you an inexpensive jet at a quality that is turbine ready, which the Falcon was not. If you look at all the things we are giving you with the kit you will see that you have everything you need to and they are high quality.

Modellbau USA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 06:47 PM
  #144
chris1971
 
chris1971's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: catoosa, OK
Posts: 318
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

the first post is confusing because you list the retracts as coming with the airplane and then you say the retracts are about $200. Can you clear it up for me? Either way it is a great deal, but I have some fellow fliers that will be looking for something like this soon and want to be clear when I tell them the details of this airplane.



thanks,

Chris
chris1971 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 06:52 PM
  #145
picard1
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: MT SHASTA, CA
Posts: 368
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

I believe the retracts come with the plane, but the struts, wheels and brake package is an additional $200.00
picard1 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:02 PM
  #146
Modellbau USA
Thread Starter
 
Modellbau USA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 773
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Yes the Spring Air retracts come with the airplane but the Wheels brakes and struts are additional and they will be exclusivly sold by Spring Air Products
Modellbau USA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:15 PM
  #147
chris1971
 
chris1971's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: catoosa, OK
Posts: 318
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I'm used to the gear set having the retracts and wheels/tires/brakes.

Chris
chris1971 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:21 PM
  #148
Xairflyer
 
Xairflyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Co. Donegal, IRELAND
Posts: 2,746
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Nothing to stop you just fitting wire legs or sourcing/making your own trailing links as well, this way leaves the door open.
Xairflyer is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:42 PM
  #149
Modellbau USA
Thread Starter
 
Modellbau USA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Posts: 773
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

That is true but the gear you are used to seeing with everything cost more than the whole jet with retracts
Modellbau USA is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:49 PM
  #150
RCISFUN
 
RCISFUN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 6,143
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: The new Tornado sport jet

Great set here
420 USD at today exchange rate

http://shop.jet-1a.com/product_info....11d1f29417a191
RCISFUN is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:57 AM.