P20 How low can you go
01-21-2011, 06:28 AM
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More fun than hearing how to put in another servo though and there is plenty of server room I am sure
01-21-2011, 09:02 AM
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RE: P20 How low can you go
Jamie
I would be interested to speak with these several people you mention. Who are they?
I am not into forum arguments either but when your company is being rubbished continually by an individual thats another matter. Every time Jetline is mentioned on any RC or jet related forum there you are.
I have ignored you in the past but enough is enough.
Funny thing about the RCMF post I made about you is its the exact reversal of the post you made about Jetline at the begining of the thread and I thought exactly the same about it as you.
I look forward to our chat
Andy
I would be interested to speak with these several people you mention. Who are they?
I am not into forum arguments either but when your company is being rubbished continually by an individual thats another matter. Every time Jetline is mentioned on any RC or jet related forum there you are.
I have ignored you in the past but enough is enough.
Funny thing about the RCMF post I made about you is its the exact reversal of the post you made about Jetline at the begining of the thread and I thought exactly the same about it as you.
I look forward to our chat
Andy
01-21-2011, 02:35 PM
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This 'rubbishing' is with foundation and you will get that chance to chat to those people as they will be at the same meetings. I was warned not to send it to you, but wanting the engine back as quick as possible i elected to send it to you as opposed to it going back to Jetcat, really i should have listened to what i was being told . . . . my mistake! as you do not accept PM's i have emailed my contact details to the Jetline info address on your website.
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I dont know definately interesting,I think the only thing for it is a giant mud wrestling arena at the first available jet fly in,if any body knows when, let me know so that I can book a flight and a ring side seat!!
01-22-2011, 02:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
That is a very sweeping statement and simply not true you can of course speak for yourself but should not speak for others who may have a very different pricing philosophy
ORIGINAL: BaldEagel
It does not matter what you are selling whether its a product, a service or expertise the profit margin is the maximum you can get away with in the current financial environment, we would all charge the maximum we could within reason to maximise our profit
Mike
It does not matter what you are selling whether its a product, a service or expertise the profit margin is the maximum you can get away with in the current financial environment, we would all charge the maximum we could within reason to maximise our profit
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A bit off topic, but I see mention of a 20% VAT in GB!?
And we have folk complaining here in CAN about 5%!
A bit off topic, but I see mention of a 20% VAT in GB!?
And we have folk complaining here in CAN about 5%!
Yes it was 17.5 % and it has just been put up to 20 %
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01-22-2011, 03:45 PM
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A bit off topic, but I see mention of a 20% VAT in GB!?
And we have folk complaining here in CAN about 5%!
A bit off topic, but I see mention of a 20% VAT in GB!?
And we have folk complaining here in CAN about 5%!
01-23-2011, 01:47 AM
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We have petrol prices at $7.50 a gallon (US gallon!) and we also pay import duty on many items...
Dennis why do you continue on this theme? Having just sold my 15th P-20 at £1899.98 that is obviously a fair price, lets not go into why some people want to make less money, I am sure you can negotiate an even lower price if a dealer is willing to get a sale. But why fan the flames constantly? Please open a model shop, it would be great.
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Dennis why do you continue on this theme? Having just sold my 15th P-20 at £1899.98 that is obviously a fair price, lets not go into why some people want to make less money, I am sure you can negotiate an even lower price if a dealer is willing to get a sale. But why fan the flames constantly? Please open a model shop, it would be great.
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01-23-2011, 02:03 AM
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We have petrol prices at $7.50 a gallon (US gallon!) and we also pay import duty on many items...
Dennis why do you continue on this theme? Having just sold my 15th P-20 at £1899.98 that is obviously a fair price, lets not go into why some people want to make less money, I am sure you can negotiate an even lower price if a dealer is willing to get a sale. But why fan the flames constantly? Please open a model shop, it would be great.
Dave
We have petrol prices at $7.50 a gallon (US gallon!) and we also pay import duty on many items...
Dennis why do you continue on this theme? Having just sold my 15th P-20 at £1899.98 that is obviously a fair price, lets not go into why some people want to make less money, I am sure you can negotiate an even lower price if a dealer is willing to get a sale. But why fan the flames constantly? Please open a model shop, it would be great.
Dave
Running an architectural/Surveying practice is keeping me busy at the moment thanks so I wont be opening a model shop at the moment. If you feel you want to change tack set up in my business and see how you get on.
I have seen in many threads that you use these forums to help promote your business and push sales. It is therefore quite propper that customers/consumers use these forums to our advantage. Some might say more propper in fact.
You may well have sold your 15th P20 at £1899.99 but we are still in the early days and I am certain they will settle at a much lower price. Just like the Boomer Nano came out at £400 and has now settled at £300
If I and others on the customer side can fan the flames as you put it to drive prices down then that is fair game I feel. It wasn't actually what this thread was about it was about what price people feel they will settle at. I will indeed buy one when they are £1600....... Just need to wait a while
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01-23-2011, 02:22 AM
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Hi Dennis.
I cant see the P-20 prices dropping for some time yet. When I look back at my Jet cat buying prices over the past few years, there are very few times that Jet Cat themselves have actually dropped their selling prices. The only case I can remember a noticeable drop in price was to celebrate the volume of sales of the P-80. Also form what I gather from speaking to Jet Cat, the production of the 20 has proven to be even more time consuming than expected. I can fully understand that.. after all to get a turbine this small, and spinning at such a high rpm to run as smoothly and as easily as lets say a P-80 is a real achievement.
I guess it's all down to how low a margin the retailer wants to work on. Some are happy to work on very little, others none! I can only speak for my business of course. But knowing what goes into supporting an average Jet customer I am not prepared to lower my P-20 price in the foreseeable future. Oh and just for your information... The Nano was a special Christmas offer that was extended. I was told last week that it is set to end and the retail price will go back up to £375.00 shortly. So get your order in soon
Regards Al
I cant see the P-20 prices dropping for some time yet. When I look back at my Jet cat buying prices over the past few years, there are very few times that Jet Cat themselves have actually dropped their selling prices. The only case I can remember a noticeable drop in price was to celebrate the volume of sales of the P-80. Also form what I gather from speaking to Jet Cat, the production of the 20 has proven to be even more time consuming than expected. I can fully understand that.. after all to get a turbine this small, and spinning at such a high rpm to run as smoothly and as easily as lets say a P-80 is a real achievement.
I guess it's all down to how low a margin the retailer wants to work on. Some are happy to work on very little, others none! I can only speak for my business of course. But knowing what goes into supporting an average Jet customer I am not prepared to lower my P-20 price in the foreseeable future. Oh and just for your information... The Nano was a special Christmas offer that was extended. I was told last week that it is set to end and the retail price will go back up to £375.00 shortly. So get your order in soon
Regards Al
01-23-2011, 02:29 AM
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RE: P20 How low can you go
Dennis,
why do so many of your threads have to do with how much things cost?
This is a hobby and people usually use disposable income to purchase hobby products and therefore if they can afford to purchase it they will.
By the time the P20 hits £1,600 we will be onto something new and you will think that should be 20% cheaper!
Simon
why do so many of your threads have to do with how much things cost?
This is a hobby and people usually use disposable income to purchase hobby products and therefore if they can afford to purchase it they will.
By the time the P20 hits £1,600 we will be onto something new and you will think that should be 20% cheaper!
Simon
01-23-2011, 02:43 AM
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Dennis,
why do so many of your threads have to do with how much things cost?
This is a hobby and people usually use disposable income to purchase hobby products and therefore if they can afford to purchase it they will.
By the time the P20 hits £1,600 we will be onto something new and you will think that should be 20% cheaper!
Simon
Dennis,
why do so many of your threads have to do with how much things cost?
This is a hobby and people usually use disposable income to purchase hobby products and therefore if they can afford to purchase it they will.
By the time the P20 hits £1,600 we will be onto something new and you will think that should be 20% cheaper!
Simon
Retail prices and pricing strategy are an interest of mine as well at RC. In my view it is not always about what you can afford it is more about what you feel is fair to pay. I could easily afford to buy a P20 at the £1900 price but I feel that this is simply too high in comparrison to other things. Hence why I started this thread. Also I feel strongly that these forums are for users/customers more than the trade. It urks me when some in the trade have a pop at customers as we have as much right as them to comment here. More perhaps
Thanks however for your view. It is peoples honest views that I am interested in
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Hi Dennis.
I cant see the P-20 prices dropping for some time yet. When I look back at my Jet cat buying prices over the past few years, there are very few times that Jet Cat themselves have actually dropped their selling prices. The only case I can remember a noticeable drop in price was to celebrate the volume of sales of the P-80. Also form what I gather from speaking to Jet Cat, the production of the 20 has proven to be even more time consuming than expected. I can fully understand that.. after all to get a turbine this small, and spinning at such a high rpm to run as smoothly and as easily as lets say a P-80 is a real achievement.
I guess it's all down to how low a margin the retailer wants to work on. Some are happy to work on very little, others none! I can only speak for my business of course. But knowing what goes into supporting an average Jet customer I am not prepared to lower my P-20 price in the foreseeable future. Oh and just for your information... The Nano was a special Christmas offer that was extended. I was told last week that it is set to end and the retail price will go back up to £375.00 shortly. So get your order in soon
Regards Al
Hi Dennis.
I cant see the P-20 prices dropping for some time yet. When I look back at my Jet cat buying prices over the past few years, there are very few times that Jet Cat themselves have actually dropped their selling prices. The only case I can remember a noticeable drop in price was to celebrate the volume of sales of the P-80. Also form what I gather from speaking to Jet Cat, the production of the 20 has proven to be even more time consuming than expected. I can fully understand that.. after all to get a turbine this small, and spinning at such a high rpm to run as smoothly and as easily as lets say a P-80 is a real achievement.
I guess it's all down to how low a margin the retailer wants to work on. Some are happy to work on very little, others none! I can only speak for my business of course. But knowing what goes into supporting an average Jet customer I am not prepared to lower my P-20 price in the foreseeable future. Oh and just for your information... The Nano was a special Christmas offer that was extended. I was told last week that it is set to end and the retail price will go back up to £375.00 shortly. So get your order in soon
Regards Al
Just bought a Nano from you. I was reading the Nano thread and then saw your post here so thought what the hell buy one.
You were 2p cheaper than another seller so I am going to put this in a tin and save it towards my P20
I recon if you are a retailer it pays to be nice to customers
I am going to put my 44 gold in her. Dont like jetcats wrong colour
I will wait till next years Christmas offer on the P20........ My 2p might have attracted some more pennies by then
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In my view it is not always about what you can afford it is more about what you feel is fair to pay.
Dennis,
I think the P20 is a bargain at £1,900!
I will probably/hopefully get about 50hrs use out of it before I break it and that works out at £38 an hour. I can not watch a football match at Tottenham for less in the west upper, Have a "nice" meal with my partner etc etc etc - I am sure you get my drift.
To hire a Mud Wrestling pool costs more than this per hour
looks like a really fair price to me.
Simon
Dennis,
I think the P20 is a bargain at £1,900!
I will probably/hopefully get about 50hrs use out of it before I break it and that works out at £38 an hour. I can not watch a football match at Tottenham for less in the west upper, Have a "nice" meal with my partner etc etc etc - I am sure you get my drift.
To hire a Mud Wrestling pool costs more than this per hour
looks like a really fair price to me.
Simon
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Dennis,
For someone that’s did not like boomers that’s 3 you will have LOL. I look forward to seeing this one fly, might have to get one for my P60
As for the price of P20 its not to bad compared to wren 44 Gold @ £1735 with 1 years warranty.
The p20 comes with 2 years. just my 2p
For someone that’s did not like boomers that’s 3 you will have LOL. I look forward to seeing this one fly, might have to get one for my P60
As for the price of P20 its not to bad compared to wren 44 Gold @ £1735 with 1 years warranty.
The p20 comes with 2 years. just my 2p
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Dennis,
For someone that’s did not like boomers that’s 3 you will have LOL. I look forward to seeing this one fly, might have to get one for my P60
As for the price of P20 its not to bad compared to wren 44 Gold @ £1735 with 1 years warranty.
The p20 comes with 2 years. just my 2p
Dennis,
For someone that’s did not like boomers that’s 3 you will have LOL. I look forward to seeing this one fly, might have to get one for my P60
As for the price of P20 its not to bad compared to wren 44 Gold @ £1735 with 1 years warranty.
The p20 comes with 2 years. just my 2p
I love boomers you know I do................. Cant fly anything else cos I am such poo
Dennis
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In my view it is not always about what you can afford it is more about what you feel is fair to pay.
Dennis,
I think the P20 is a bargain at £1,900!
I will probably/hopefully get about 50hrs use out of it before I break it and that works out at £38 an hour. I can not watch a football match at Tottenham for less in the west upper, Have a ''nice'' meal with my partner etc etc etc - I am sure you get my drift.
To hire a Mud Wrestling pool costs more than this per hour
looks like a really fair price to me.
Simon
In my view it is not always about what you can afford it is more about what you feel is fair to pay.
Dennis,
I think the P20 is a bargain at £1,900!
I will probably/hopefully get about 50hrs use out of it before I break it and that works out at £38 an hour. I can not watch a football match at Tottenham for less in the west upper, Have a ''nice'' meal with my partner etc etc etc - I am sure you get my drift.
To hire a Mud Wrestling pool costs more than this per hour
looks like a really fair price to me.
Simon
Who on earth would pay 38p to go and watch spurs
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In my view it is not always about what you can afford it is more about what you feel is fair to pay.
Dennis,
I think the P20 is a bargain at £1,900!
I will probably/hopefully get about 50hrs use out of it before I break it and that works out at £38 an hour. I can not watch a football match at Tottenham for less in the west upper, Have a ''nice'' meal with my partner etc etc etc - I am sure you get my drift.
To hire a Mud Wrestling pool costs more than this per hour
looks like a really fair price to me.
Simon
In my view it is not always about what you can afford it is more about what you feel is fair to pay.
Dennis,
I think the P20 is a bargain at £1,900!
I will probably/hopefully get about 50hrs use out of it before I break it and that works out at £38 an hour. I can not watch a football match at Tottenham for less in the west upper, Have a ''nice'' meal with my partner etc etc etc - I am sure you get my drift.
To hire a Mud Wrestling pool costs more than this per hour
looks like a really fair price to me.
Simon
Another comparrison. Last year I bought a Porsche Boxter 2nd hand. I could have had that or 4 P20's Which would you choose. Mind you parking it in a stubble field at Rougham wasn't the best idea in the world. Still no choice its where they sent me at an air show
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01-23-2011, 03:49 AM
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PMSL !! and you said I had a hairdressers car!!
This is of course coming from an a very happy Ex Boxterowner ( yellow one to make matters worse) One of the sweetest cars I have ever owned! I regret the day I traded it for a new TVR [:@]
Thank you for the Nano purchase. I didnt realise I was cheaper .... Sorry Colin! It's a sweet set up on the 44 ( especially the gold) You can really feel the lower AUW in the way it flies. Enjoy!
Regards Al
This is of course coming from an a very happy Ex Boxter
owner ( yellow one to make matters worse) One of the sweetest cars I have ever owned! I regret the day I traded it for a new TVR [:@]Thank you for the Nano purchase. I didnt realise I was cheaper .... Sorry Colin! It's a sweet set up on the 44 ( especially the gold) You can really feel the lower AUW in the way it flies. Enjoy!
Regards Al