Regrettable thing
These photos are an fej f15c model crash from a customer he bought 1 year ago from someone else, not sure... We're sorry his lost. We know it is so paint to lose a model, but hope any customer can be very rational to talk about a model crash case. It won't be a good idea to tell or threaten a company that he will post photos on RCU if not replacing a new model or more according some model crashphotos. Manufactory produces a model, of course it should be safe, but more important, each pilot also has responsibility to inspect all parts on the model before you build it or every time you fly it.
When receiving a model, it is better to check every single part before start building it. If find any part with construction issue, it would be better report it to factory right away.During each flight, manufactory can not guarantee you will bring the model back to ground safely.The model is in your hand, you build it, take care of it and fly it. You should know your flying skill, speed, G, etc, not go over it etc etc... we hope each customer would be safe for each flight onany model.
Good luck with this thread, as I said, You started it.
These photos are an fej f15c model crash from a customer he bought 1 year ago from someone else, not sure... We're sorry his lost. We know it is so paint to lose a model, but hope any customer can be very rational to talk about a model crash case. It won't be a good idea to tell or threaten a company that he will post photos on RCU if not replacing a new model or more according some model crash photos. Manufactory produces a model, of course it should be safe, but more important, each pilot also has responsibility to inspect all parts on the model before you build it or every time you fly it.
When receiving a model, it is better to check every single part before start building it. If find any part with construction issue, it would be better report it to factory right away.During each flight, manufactory can not guarantee you will bring the model back to ground safely. The model is in your hand, you build it, take care of it and fly it. You should know your flying skill, speed, G, etc, not go over it etc etc... we hope each customer would be safe for each flight on any model.
Sounds like a preemptive move. Maybe the owner sent those pics to FEJ and they thought it would be better coming from them? Either way, sounds like a bad idea to me! Subscribed.
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Sounds like a preemptive move. Maybe the owner sent those pics to FEJ and they thought it would be better coming from them? Either way, sounds like a bad idea to me! Subscribed.
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It seems a customer send this photos to FEJ with ask to replace a plane that had a structural failure, and FEJ is in preemptive mode because they can't garanty how the pilot "use" the plane.
My advice to FEJ :
As I'm working in a real airplane company, we ensure and take the responsability that if one our products is certified for +4.4/-2.2G (cessna stc parts) as asked by FAA and EASA for europe, as long as the pilot fly the plane as specified in the pilot flight manual, it is not possible that there is a catastrophic structural failure and we are responsible for that. The certification process ensure that correct calculation and tests had been done before certification and that production of those parts is quality controled to ensure they respect the certified configuration and mechanichal resistance.
If there is a plane crash, the enquiry will first verify if the plane was used as per the flight manual : not overweighted, correct CdG, quality of oils and fuel, correct mechanichal state, etc.
As in RC industry I've never seen a manufacturer sending to pilot a flight manual. I, as a pilot, go with the idea that if I use the reccomanded parts and options (engine, servos, build as per notice furnished), and fly the plane normally as the manufacturer conceived it for (here a scale model of a jet fighter) I can be in confident state that the plane will not broke at the first 10G turn, and 10G is not high for a RC model !!!
So If FEJ send me a flight manual statuing that I should not go over 15G and not go over 250km/h, and if by meaning of internal flight conditions recording (that easy now) I can demonstrate that I've never exceeded the manufacturer parameter, then the failure is responsability of the manufacturer.
The problem start by the fact that we don't know how this model was calculated and what are the parameters certified by the manufacturer as "correct use of this plane".
If a manufacturer say me : my model is not made to go up to 200km/h speed, that's not a problem for me. I'll fly it below 200km/h but don't want a major structural failure. If I go up of that, I now this is my responsability.
Not a easy thread...
THANX FEJ FOR MAKING MY LIFE EASY AND DID NOT LET ME BUY A JET FROM YOUR COMPANY
As for a customer inspecting every aspect of a model prior to flight, this proves difficult for areas that are closed. Areas such as the wings etc that are composite. how could you tell if all the bonding was completed correctly?
David S
By the photos, it appears that the customer may be claiming the elevator pivot failed and caused the crash.
Needless to say waited 5 months for a resolution and the factory washed its hands completely from me, so I did the same and stopped dealing with them.
These photos are an fej f15c model crash from a customer he bought 1 year ago from someone else, not sure... We're sorry his lost. We know it is so paint to lose a model, but hope any customer can be very rational to talk about a model crash case. It won't be a good idea to tell or threaten a company that he will post photos on RCU if not replacing a new model or more according some model crash photos. Manufactory produces a model, of course it should be safe, but more important, each pilot also has responsibility to inspect all parts on the model before you build it or every time you fly it.
When receiving a model, it is better to check every single part before start building it. If find any part with construction issue, it would be better report it to factory right away.During each flight, manufactory can not guarantee you will bring the model back to ground safely. The model is in your hand, you build it, take care of it and fly it. You should know your flying skill, speed, G, etc, not go over it etc etc... we hope each customer would be safe for each flight on any model.
Hi to all it seems that every body is blaming the manufacter when we do not know what happened,if a guy buys a model that has been designed for a 160 size engine and he fits a 200 size engine he must take responcsabilty for the increase in weight and stress caused by the increase in power,the photos are a FEJ f15 but they could be of any model on the market which has not been built as it should have been ,it only takes one small bolt to come loose and its game over.It is very easy to blame the model maker and not the builder,in a case like this who can say who is to blame unless there is a good video which can show what exactly what happened just my 2 cents worth regards Keith
Hi,
It's hard to see where you're getting this from. Having no information about the crash or the plane in question, the only thing I blame the manufacturer for is coming in here with this ill-advised post in the first place.
Yes it is a Regrettable thing... But beyond that HELP ME OUT HERE RC WORLD. This is what I would like to know??? what could the pilot have done to prevent chashing on the free-way with only one elevator. Could he have killed the engine would that have prevented the fire!!!!
What the...? ...and another 'first post' introduction?
...a fire?? ..... 'crashing' on the freeway with one elev.?
This thread deserves a second bowl of buttered corn, my treat this time.
By the photos, it appears that the customer may be claiming the elevator pivot failed and caused the crash.
Needless to say waited 5 months for a resolution and the factory washed its hands completely from me, so I did the same and stopped dealing with them.
Hi to all it seems that every body is blaming the manufacter when we do not know what happened,if a guy buys a model that has been designed for a 160 size engine and he fits a 200 size engine he must take responcsabilty for the increase in weight and stress caused by the increase in power,the photos are a FEJ f15 but they could be of any model on the market which has not been built as it should have been ,it only takes one small bolt to come loose and its game over.It is very easy to blame the model maker and not the builder,in a case like this who can say who is to blame unless there is a good video which can show what exactly what happened just my 2 cents worth regards Keith
Yes it is a Regrettable thing... But beyond that HELP ME OUT HERE RC WORLD. This is what I would like to know??? what could the pilot have done to prevent chashing on the free-way with only one elevator. Could he have killed the engine would that have prevented the fire!!!!
What the...? ...and another 'first post' introduction?
...a fire?? ..... 'crashing' on the freeway with one elev.?
This thread deserves a second bowl of buttered corn, my treat this time.
Yes it is a Regrettable thing... But beyond that HELP ME OUT HERE RC WORLD. This is what I would like to know??? what could the pilot have done to prevent chashing on the free-way with only one elevator. Could he have killed the engine would that have prevented the fire!!!!
What the...? ...and another 'first post' introduction?
...a fire?? ..... 'crashing' on the freeway with one elev.?
This thread deserves a second bowl of buttered corn, my treat this time.