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Old 10-06-2011, 11:55 PM
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Guys,

If you don't want to drop $3k then don't. Quite simple but you guys aren't thinking it through.

I bought a 14MZ the day they were released - must have been approx 6 or 7 years ago. I paid £1500 for it and people thought I was mad. Since then I have never had it repaired or serviced and it has done everything I could ask of it. It saw me through 35mhz to 2.4 from 3ch foamies to 14ch 1:3 scale jets. I've never found anything it can't do.

Now, 7years later, I will move to the 18MZ and embrace the new features etc and I'll sell my 14MZ for, erm dunno - £600 maybe. That means I have had 100% reliability and functionality for 7 years for approx £130 a year!!!

If you can show me anything else in this hobby that you use in/for every model you own and that you HAD to have in order to fly and that after 7 years had cost you less than 10% depreciation a year then please do.

So, that 3k turbine you don't mind buying that is only used in 1 model at a time, is at risk of total destruction every flight and would be worth virtually nothing after 7 years seems like the stupid mindless purchase people think this TX is - and most of you have bought several! Who are the fools

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Old 10-07-2011, 12:07 AM
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I can't add much to that Mark.

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Old 10-07-2011, 12:11 AM
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I dont think i said you can get a 18mz for a third of the price, i said you can buy another more expensive version of the same thing for 3x more. Ill clarify and say a three times more expensive transmitter.
And more relevantly, the second top of the line model is a third of the price( in the JR range) and half the price in the futaba range
For reference
JR 11x £509, 12x £1400- almost three times more
Futaba 12 FGA £750 14MZ 1610- more than double
Apologies if you felt I was exaggerating the jump on the futaba, its only 2.15 xmore expensive not 3 times more, like in the JR range.

Its the difference in price between the second top and the top of the line that is one of the problems.
(Maybe the solution to keep me happy is to increase the price of the second top of the line)

As you rightly say, the choice to buy it is mine- the point is that if the latest model was only slightly more expensive than the previous one, - You always see a price rise when a new model comes out, I would feel i was paying a fair price.
But if the new version is a third more expensive than the previous generation ( Tower hobbies price on 14mZ $2299 vs 18mz $2999) then I think something is wrong.
Old 10-07-2011, 02:29 AM
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Default RE: New from Futaba, who will be the first?


well in my case... 18 channels =

1- Elev
2- Ailerons
3- Throttle
4- Rudder
5- gear
6- Flap/aileron
7- Weather channel
8- Discovery kids (waht?!?!? I've a family!!!)
9- Fashion network
10- ESPN
11- CNN
12- Hystory channel
13- (is there some porno channel?)
14- Cook and recipes channel
15- Call mamma
16- BBC (Yes, I'm aware that there are many UKs here...)
17- RAI 3
18- NBC


Now seriously... I hardly can understand how the medium modeller can use this radio... most of us use less than 50% capabilities of our already powerfull systems (mine is JR 9XII).
An UAV application? Yes; can be... a Scale Project? Great!!!!

Cheers; Guille

PS: I hope someone laughs with my list... I hope none gets offended there...
Old 10-07-2011, 02:31 AM
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Default RE: New from Futaba, who will be the first?

I don't even know how to use everything on my 12FG....................................
Old 10-07-2011, 02:32 AM
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Default RE: New from Futaba, who will be the first?

medium modeller
most of us
Yep, exactly. And this "top of the range" transmitter clearly isn't aimed at these guys. I assume with your 1-6 channel designation you've never owned or properly setup a large scale turbine model.....
Old 10-07-2011, 02:33 AM
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Default RE: New from Futaba, who will be the first?

I'd love one but don't have that kind of disposable $$ floating about.
Very happy with my two 12FG's, one for jets, one for the other cr@p, with the option of buddy boxing scarey stuff.

I bet Jason gets one ASAP
Old 10-07-2011, 02:44 AM
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All I can say is that, I fly gassers... and I own an 8fg.
I fly in my club and do various public shows through the year, but I have not yet competed due to work (I work in concerts and tv etc, something that happens at weekends so its hard to dedicate myself to any specific date).

Many in my club have bought the 14mz... then fly foamies or basic electric gliders etc.. these same people dont even use expos to soften the centre.
Usually they have some dual rates. a motor cut and thats it...

So why do they buy it.......


I'd also say I am by far the best plane pilot in my club. 8fg does me fine.
We do have a well known international competition level 3d heli pilot in our club (not going to name, names) and the 2nd rated national f3c pilot.... They dont have the 14mz's.


Just seems like a lot of cash for something that MOST people will never use. If you want to buy one, be my guest! Enjoy it! I PERSONALLY would rather use the cash on upgrading to better servos or motor etc in the planes I have or getting a new plane.
I just dont agree with the people in my club that tell (relative) newbies that they HAVE to get the 14mz after their first "basic" radio... and they MUST have it or nothing they ever own will fly properly...
Old 10-07-2011, 02:46 AM
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Unless there is a major technological leap I personally see no reason to spend that amount to replace the 14MZ.

I would like to see some mind blowing telemetryso we can get some realtime data back from the model e.g.would like to have an instantaneouswarning at the transmitter on engine flameout andairspeed call out whilst landing.
Old 10-07-2011, 02:48 AM
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ORIGINAL: ceecrb1

Many in my club have bought the 14mz... then fly foamies or basic electric gliders etc.. these same people dont even use expos to soften the centre.
Usually they have some dual rates. a motor cut and thats it...

So why do they buy it.......


I'd also say I am by far the best plane pilot in my club. 8fg does me fine.
We do have a well known international competition level 3d pilot in our club (not going to name, names) and the 2nd rated national f3c pilot.... They dont have the 14mz's.


Just seems like a lot of cash for something that MOST people will never use. If you want to buy one, be my guest! Enjoy it! I PERSONALLY would rather use the cash on upgrading to better servos or motor etc in the planes I have or getting a new plane.

That's my point... the phrase "the right tool for the job" might not be always considered. But as schroedm pointed, may be jets does need all that; as UAV or Scale.
I fly F3A, was fine with my 8UP, fine with the JR-9...

Cheers
Old 10-07-2011, 03:01 AM
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Default RE: New from Futaba, who will be the first?

I appreciate that maybe to those that fly regular sized gassers or F3a the concepty of 14,16,18channels is crazy but here's the setup of a model I am working on....

Aileron 1
Aileron 2
Flap 1
Flap 2
Elev 1
Elev 2
Rud
Nose Gear Steering
Retracts
Brakes
Lights
Smoke
Chute Deploy
Chute Drop

That's 14 channels straight away. Other scale models may have more features/surfaces. (2 rudders/4 flaps etc)

If I'm honest, I'm buying the 18MZ because I can and I want to (and that's the basis every modeller in the world has to be working to or why else do you buy what you buy?), it keeps me current in the technology curve having owned the 14MZ for 7 years (I'm sure you guys upgrade phones/PCs/TVs after 7 years for 'the latest') and for added nice features like the 18ch, SBUS2, telemetry, integrated 2.4ghz, superb new/responsive touch screen......

Rgds,
Mark
Old 10-07-2011, 03:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: ceecrb1


So why do they buy it.......

Because we WANT to buy it, not that we need it, but because we want to have it! it's a hobby.

Doug.
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...and this is the spirit of our hobby: WE LIKE IT, AND IF WE CAN, WE GET IT FOR OUR JOY AND FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES MARK, AGREE 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"...I'm buying the 18MZ because I can and I want to (and that's the basis ever..."
Old 10-07-2011, 03:38 AM
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ORIGINAL: ceecrb1


So why do they buy it.......

Because we WANT to buy it, not that we need it, but because we want to have it! it's a hobby.

Doug.
Understood guys! But it's still insane IMO.... It's not because (in my case) I can't buy, but to make a sound decision on it, IT'S NOT WORTH MY MONEY, I don't need! I just can't justify it! If you guys can good luck! The jets that I have with speed brakes, lights etc..., my transmitter does it for me and does not require 18 channels so i'm good!

For the scale guys, having all the extra added moving functions is a waste unless you are competing in Scale competitions. But, I have come to realize that this "hobby" is like the real world a pissing contest, who can piss the furthest....


guille2006: right on the money! i'm LMAO!

and yes you can still have a lock out with the transmittter as well, they didn't say it was bulletproof did they or did I miss that part.

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Default RE: New from Futaba, who will be the first?

Yes, you can still get a lock out (but that’s more of an issue with another brand) or radio malfunction.
One can get from point A to point B on a corolla, others use a BMW to travel the same distance.

It’s all up to what makes you happy.
Doug.

P.S. by the way, you can use code # 010TY for a Tower discount of $375.00.
Old 10-07-2011, 03:59 AM
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I used the "investment" argument on my mom to buy a motorcycle... she laughed at that.... and I laugh at your "investment" statement now.

A radio will never be an investment.. investments grow in value. RC radios like every electronic item, is exponentially worth less and less as each year passes.

You might as well just figure that you are going to spend (invest in your lingo) $500 to $1000 per year for radio equipment... that is why people are upset.

Spending that amount still does not guarantee that you won't loose a plane to a radio problem. You spend $3000 and some clown next to you spent $60... do you trust his radio not to jam yours?

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Old 10-07-2011, 05:02 AM
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That is the point it is a hobby. You can't use business cases to justify something no one needs.
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Dont get me wrong! I am very happy for people to buy things they want to..

I myself bought my own digital sound mixing desk that costs a LOT more than a turbine model... for live band mixing etc.
THEN I explained to the girlfriend that I will NEVER EVER get enough work to be able to have it paid for.
The thing is that I use almost every function of that desk when doing a live concert or show, and I know what everything does and how to use it best.
Its NOT case of me turning up on site with a "flashy" bit of kit that is unnecessary, cheaper more simple kit "could" do it but it wouldnt sound as good.. I have far more control over every aspect.



I am just against some of the BSing and "wrong" REASONS for owning this kit. Like I said.. members of my club who say you HAVE to have a 14mz or your planes wont fly and your helis will have problems.
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Not a bad argument ... right up until the point you call us ALL fools. $3,000 for a radio in this economy is nothing short of stupid. right back at you.


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So, that 3k turbine you don't mind buying that is only used in 1 model at a time, is at risk of total destruction every flight and would be worth virtually nothing after 7 years seems like the stupid mindless purchase people think this TX is - and most of you have bought several! Who are the fools
My 0.02
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ORIGINAL: on_your_six

Not a bad argument ... right up until the point you call us ALL fools. $3,000 for a radio in this economy is nothing short of stupid. right back at you.


ORIGINAL: schroedm
So, that 3k turbine you don't mind buying that is only used in 1 model at a time, is at risk of total destruction every flight and would be worth virtually nothing after 7 years seems like the stupid mindless purchase people think this TX is - and most of you have bought several! Who are the fools
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Erm, firstly a after "fools" indicates joviality so I wasn't really calling you a fool. Secondly, $3000 for anything in "this economy", if you have the disposable income, is up to me is it not? If anything, I'm helping the economy by putting cash into retail sales..... I guess you think anyone who buys a car or a house or a bike or RV or anything for $3000 is "nothing short of stupid" - and you were bothered coz I joked with the word "fool"

Oh, and techincally, where did I call "ALL" of you fools? Read a little closer, take a chill pill and relax.

Right back at me/you or whatever I should say.....
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Default RE: New from Futaba, who will be the first?

I will have to purchase two, one for each hand, does anyone make a tray for this setup? perhaps a keyboard stand will work best. This will make me a better pilot when I fly my goldberg cub with a single aileron servo.
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Guys,

If you don't want to drop $3k then don't. Quite simple but you guys aren't thinking it through.

I bought a 14MZ the day they were released - must have been approx 6 or 7 years ago. I paid £1500 for it and people thought I was mad. Since then I have never had it repaired or serviced and it has done everything I could ask of it. It saw me through 35mhz to 2.4 from 3ch foamies to 14ch 1:3 scale jets. I've never found anything it can't do.

Now, 7years later, I will move to the 18MZ and embrace the new features etc and I'll sell my 14MZ for, erm dunno - £600 maybe. That means I have had 100% reliability and functionality for 7 years for approx £130 a year!!!

If you can show me anything else in this hobby that you use in/for every model you own and that you HAD to have in order to fly and that after 7 years had cost you less than 10% depreciation a year then please do.

So, that 3k turbine you don't mind buying that is only used in 1 model at a time, is at risk of total destruction every flight and would be worth virtually nothing after 7 years seems like the stupid mindless purchase people think this TX is - and most of you have bought several! Who are the fools

My 0.02

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+1...

One thing that cracks me up about this....."3$K for a radio? no way".,....
Well I have WAYYY more than that into my airplanes....and guess what?
If I crash one of my 1$K or 2K or 3$K or 4$K planes due to a dumb thumb or running out of tallent ect ect....I know that
for 1, it will NOT BE the radio that caused it, and 2, MY 3K radio, will ALWAYS survive the crash!>>>>always.....
I can't say the same for my planes.....

I have talked to guys that have purchased BARGIN radios, and they lost up to 3- very high priced models.... and they buy
very high end products, due to radio failure... It can happen to ANY manufacture, and one doesn't have to spend 3K to have that reliability...

BUT if I can get 7-years out of a radio, than that is VERY good return out of ANY purchase....

I have a Good radio that has great features, but has had a few issues with a VERY few people.... and I have to say that I do get a-bit nervous when
I fly my planes.... Don't have to spend 3K on a radio,, no... but it is about what a guy likes...and wants.... not about what he NEEDs...
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Someone asked about the telemetry.

"The 18MZ is equipped with bi-directional communication ability to the R7008SB receiver. A host of sensors may be plugged into the S.Bus2 port on the receiver to transmit data back to the transmitter. These include multiple voltages, multiple temperature, multiple, RPM (both optical and magnetic), fuel level, GPS data, altitude. Below are actual screen images from the 18MZ. Please note, specifications, screens, menus are still subject to change."
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I will purchase either a 14mz or a 18mz.....most likely the 18mz because I like the telemitry features that My radio currently has...
It is a great piece of mind to see what my engines are doing...and there isn't any reason why someone shouldn't have this, with
all the great technology available today.....I could always add a eagle tree system to the 14mz....

Of all the things I have to do when setting up a plane, it is the servos, and programming of them that I dislike the most....
Even a 100cc aircraft is too much for a 9channel transmitter.....
You have to break out a hitech programmer, or other in-wing- Box, to do the end point programming for you....I hate it..
and always will.....

There is a great info page about this radio, on FG..... It actually has Strait from Hobbico info about the radio......
All other things are just opinions.....and everyone has one of those....
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I asked this over on FG, but can you use the MPX decoder with this radio, like the 14mz, and add 8 more channels??
Just wondering.... as I have 2- of them and would like to use them anyway....

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