Retract Game Changer
02-28-2012, 08:29 PM
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RE: Retract Game Changer
ORIGINAL: luv2flyrc
Well Rav, our boys have died right alongside yours in just about every major conflict in the world including Afganistan in support of democracy and freedom. I resent being called a commie. You need to open your eyes man, no 2 countries in the world are closer than USA and Canada.
Ok, enough politics but, that kind of ignorance strikes a nerve.
Mike
ORIGINAL: ravill
The good Ole US of A is still the best country in the world. We don't need to apologize to our commie neighbors to the north, or to any country for that matter.
The good Ole US of A is still the best country in the world. We don't need to apologize to our commie neighbors to the north, or to any country for that matter.
Ok, enough politics but, that kind of ignorance strikes a nerve.
Mike
02-28-2012, 09:32 PM
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+1
I served 14 yrs in the CDN Navy, sailed with Nato and USN throughout. It takes a lot to ruffle my feathers, and your "commie" remark just rubbed me the wrong way. Sounds like you have some issues to deal with, and they might get resolved once you educate yourself with CDN history.
.. now back to the program already in progress...
Dan
I served 14 yrs in the CDN Navy, sailed with Nato and USN throughout. It takes a lot to ruffle my feathers, and your "commie" remark just rubbed me the wrong way. Sounds like you have some issues to deal with, and they might get resolved once you educate yourself with CDN history.
.. now back to the program already in progress...
Dan
02-28-2012, 11:00 PM
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RE: Retract Game Changer
ORIGINAL: lov2flyrc
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
02-28-2012, 11:21 PM
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Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their "lack of quality control" and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. The current disaster in office can kiss my tail feathers...Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric and water/sewer bill.
I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their "lack of quality control" and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. The current disaster in office can kiss my tail feathers...Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric and water/sewer bill.
I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
02-28-2012, 11:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bob Paris
Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their "lack of quality control" and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric bill and water/sewer. I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their "lack of quality control" and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric bill and water/sewer. I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
02-29-2012, 01:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: LittleBob
Hexck Gas (Petrol) at $4.76. Come over to the UK it is over $10 a gallon here.
Hexck Gas (Petrol) at $4.76. Come over to the UK it is over $10 a gallon here.
02-29-2012, 04:54 AM
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ORIGINAL: luv2flyrc
Well Rav, our boys have died right alongside yours in just about every major conflict in the world including Afganistan in support of democracy and freedom. I resent being called a commie. You need to open your eyes man, no 2 countries in the world are closer than USA and Canada.
Ok, enough politics but, that kind of ignorance strikes a nerve.
Mike
ORIGINAL: ravill
The good Ole US of A is still the best country in the world. We don't need to apologize to our commie neighbors to the north, or to any country for that matter.
The good Ole US of A is still the best country in the world. We don't need to apologize to our commie neighbors to the north, or to any country for that matter.
Ok, enough politics but, that kind of ignorance strikes a nerve.
Mike
02-29-2012, 05:04 AM
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ORIGINAL: Bob Paris
Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their ''lack of quality control'' and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. The current disaster in office can kiss my tail feathers...Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric and water/sewer bill.
I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their ''lack of quality control'' and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. The current disaster in office can kiss my tail feathers...Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric and water/sewer bill.
I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
02-29-2012, 05:27 AM
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ORIGINAL: LittleBob
You can indeed compare any retract with any other retract. That is exactly what people are doing in this thread and the market
ORIGINAL: lov2flyrc
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
Apparently a Comprehension issue....
02-29-2012, 05:36 AM
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ORIGINAL: warbird_1
mike , your right on. canada has ''as far as i know'' been there with us. but i'm not sure about Vietnam. i don't think so only because i have never heard anything to support it.
ORIGINAL: luv2flyrc
Well Rav, our boys have died right alongside yours in just about every major conflict in the world including Afganistan in support of democracy and freedom. I resent being called a commie. You need to open your eyes man, no 2 countries in the world are closer than USA and Canada.
Ok, enough politics but, that kind of ignorance strikes a nerve.
Mike
ORIGINAL: ravill
The good Ole US of A is still the best country in the world. We don't need to apologize to our commie neighbors to the north, or to any country for that matter.
The good Ole US of A is still the best country in the world. We don't need to apologize to our commie neighbors to the north, or to any country for that matter.
Ok, enough politics but, that kind of ignorance strikes a nerve.
Mike
Let us also not forget the "smaller" things such as in 1979 when Iran terrorists took 53 Americans hostage, Canadian diplomats (Civilians!) risked their lives to save the lives of 6 American diplomats from the terrorists, hid them in the Canadian Embassy, issued them Canadian passports and flew them safely to Switzerland. To call us communists is very insulting.
Mike
02-29-2012, 05:52 AM
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ORIGINAL: luv2flyrc
Hi Warbird, you are correct, Canada did not participate alongside America in Nam. We did however have troops there under the UN flag to support the Geneva convention. Conducted espionage to support the American war effort and supplied America with many of the raw materials necessary to feed the American war machine. In true Canadian spirit, we supplied humanitarian aid to the people of South Vietnam.
Let us also not forget the ''smaller'' things such as in 1979 when Iran terrorists took 53 Americans hostage, Canadian diplomats (Civilians!) risked their lives to save the lives of 6 American diplomats from the terrorists, hid them in the Canadian Embassy, issued them Canadian passports and flew them safely to Switzerland. To call us communists is very insulting.
Mike
ORIGINAL: warbird_1
mike , your right on. canada has ''as far as i know'' been there with us. but i'm not sure about Vietnam. i don't think so only because i have never heard anything to support it.
ORIGINAL: luv2flyrc
Well Rav, our boys have died right alongside yours in just about every major conflict in the world including Afganistan in support of democracy and freedom. I resent being called a commie. You need to open your eyes man, no 2 countries in the world are closer than USA and Canada.
Ok, enough politics but, that kind of ignorance strikes a nerve.
Mike
ORIGINAL: ravill
The good Ole US of A is still the best country in the world. We don't need to apologize to our commie neighbors to the north, or to any country for that matter.
The good Ole US of A is still the best country in the world. We don't need to apologize to our commie neighbors to the north, or to any country for that matter.
Ok, enough politics but, that kind of ignorance strikes a nerve.
Mike
Let us also not forget the ''smaller'' things such as in 1979 when Iran terrorists took 53 Americans hostage, Canadian diplomats (Civilians!) risked their lives to save the lives of 6 American diplomats from the terrorists, hid them in the Canadian Embassy, issued them Canadian passports and flew them safely to Switzerland. To call us communists is very insulting.
Mike
lol !!
02-29-2012, 06:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: Bob Paris
Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their ''lack of quality control'' and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. The current disaster in office can kiss my tail feathers...Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric and water/sewer bill.
I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their ''lack of quality control'' and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. The current disaster in office can kiss my tail feathers...Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric and water/sewer bill.
I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
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02-29-2012, 06:16 AM
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ORIGINAL: afterburner
Can you do me a favor? Give Robart a call and when you get someone on the phone let me know. I've called and emailed for months as I was told by a rep that they had some skymaster F-15 nose struts in stock that would fit in my JetLegend F-15 and I could purchase one. Never got a callback or an email. I too believe that CS is one of the most important attributes a company can have. I have not seen that with Robart. Their products are very good but if you need something that they don't normally sell through their distributors you'd probably be better off getting it made at a local machine shop than waiting on a response from them. JMO.
Marty
ORIGINAL: Bob Paris
Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their ''lack of quality control'' and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. The current disaster in office can kiss my tail feathers...Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric and water/sewer bill.
I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
Wow...interesting thread...
Most you guys got it all wrong. The bottom line is....Customer support and replacement. I use Spring Air (a good company), Robart (another good company) and Lado-Magnum retracts (another company with mixed results...but mostly good). I have found out in my 55+ years in this hobby, that what counts most with me, is good customer support. I like to be able to call someone that speaks English, to work out any issues I have with a hobby product. Hobby Kings customer support is non-existant...ditto for Nitro Planes. I've been burned by both...and when I went and bought goods from a reputable dealer...hardly ever a problem. I fly glow mostly and ulta small electrics. I build both kits and ARF's and will no longer deal with Chinese junk or manufatured products. I've had enough of their ''lack of quality control'' and it seems like its a hit or miss crap shoot when you buy from them.
Not all Chinese products are junk...just most of the things I've bought from them. Just buying American is not possible in today's world. The way things are made, assembled and sold today...one is hard pressed to say anything is only made in the good Ol' U.S.A. If the product is proven to be good...I'll buy it, if I need it. I have found that Taiwan makes good stuff in the Hobby...so does Canada, Germany, France and England. China is flooding the market with their cheap hobby...and true...most of it is junk in my opinion...but not all of it. My only problem with China is finding a dealer that I can trust...and backs its products with out costing you more in shipping-then the darn !#$%& product costs in the first place. Required return shipping to China nixes any future buys from that part of the world...and experience has shown me...stick to dealers that have proven Customer Service.
Now a bit off the subject...we need to replace all the blood suckers in D.C....not just the current crop of rectal cavities in office. The current disaster in office can kiss my tail feathers...Gas hit $4.76 a gal. today in Kahalui, Maui, ditto my electric and water/sewer bill.
I'm on a fixed income and a fixed hobby income too. I'm now dusting off all my old saved kits...and after I build my last onhand ARF's...its going to be all kits for me.
Soft Landings Always,
Bobby of Maui
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02-29-2012, 07:03 AM
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I have brought it up a few times in different "retract" or threads where it was applicable. Others have chimed in with similar stories. Of the few vendors I have dealt with in the "jet" aspect of the hobby, I would have to say that Dreamworks and Mike at Global Jet Club stand out in terms of customer service.
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02-29-2012, 07:42 AM
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After , i agree with you on DW however anyone that sells overseas stuff is at the mercy of the manufacture . if they stop producing stuff then no body gets anything. i have seen it time after time. sad to say that it ultimately
it's the vendor that has to take the heat of a mad modeler that can't get parts anymore. i try to only buy stuff from companies that seem to have a future. and that's getting harder and harder all the time.
it's the vendor that has to take the heat of a mad modeler that can't get parts anymore. i try to only buy stuff from companies that seem to have a future. and that's getting harder and harder all the time.
02-29-2012, 07:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: RCISFUN
Those would be the KobbyKing, re branded, and sold in the US by some big name distributor:-)
Gerry
look for your self, I was researching retracts for my Habu 32 and bought the HobbyKing units, they look good
US Distributor
http://shulmanaviation.com/product_i...oducts_id=1788
HobbyKing
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...t_System_.html
Those would be the KobbyKing, re branded, and sold in the US by some big name distributor:-)
Gerry
look for your self, I was researching retracts for my Habu 32 and bought the HobbyKing units, they look good
US Distributor
http://shulmanaviation.com/product_i...oducts_id=1788
HobbyKing
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...t_System_.html
02-29-2012, 07:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: lov2flyrc
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
02-29-2012, 08:32 AM
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RE: Retract Game Changer
ORIGINAL: RCISFUN
Those would be the KobbyKing, re branded, and sold in the US by some big name distributor:-)
Gerry
look for your self, I was researching retracts for my Habu 32 and bought the HobbyKing units, they look good
US Distributor
http://shulmanaviation.com/product_i...oducts_id=1788
HobbyKing
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...t_System_.html
Those would be the KobbyKing, re branded, and sold in the US by some big name distributor:-)
Gerry
look for your self, I was researching retracts for my Habu 32 and bought the HobbyKing units, they look good
US Distributor
http://shulmanaviation.com/product_i...oducts_id=1788
HobbyKing
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...t_System_.html
Wow, who knows, I made the comment joking. I might be right in my re-branding theory:-)
Gerry
02-29-2012, 09:00 AM
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You took them down - they were their on your landing page when I wrote my post.
ORIGINAL: lov2flyrc
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
02-29-2012, 09:39 AM
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Bob you hit a bunch of nails on the head. RC products are no different than many others. There are many market levels. Some manufacturers innovate, take pride in their products, and truly back them up. That takes time and money. Sometimes these manufactures send their production to countries with cheaper production costs, but use same designs, processes and materials to maintain quality and reputation. Some are willing to pay for that level of service and quality and some are not. Manufacturers and retailers may offer several lines of similar products to hit more market levels. Some products work well for a week, some for a lifetime.
This thread is about retracts. I've got lousy ones and good ones. The good ones always cost more. The electronic retracts and trailing struts I got from, ok, Todd at DW, are the finest quality I have seen. DW has a great reputation, that means something to me. I'm not connected to DW in any way, but appreciate the VERY timely service I have gotten, and so far, I have not seen electric retracts supporting the weight I need anywhere else. There are other good retracts and distributors. Its up to the consumer.
The retracts that this thread is supposed to be about may be just great. It would be nice to hear from some folks who have longtime experience with other brands that have also tried these.
The political and national things don't belong in this thread. But since it was mentioned........
Countries and cultures are diverse. Different countries seem to have a knack for creating great products of various types, and have many things to offer.
Many countries have been enemies in history but are now allies. I'm nobody but I'm glad to have Canada, the UK, Japan, and any others that generally respect their citizens as allies.
In the US, we need to wise up and vote all the bums out. Doesnt matter which side of the isle. Just vote from a standpoint of knowledge and understanding. Get out of your own box, do some research and see reality. Many countries need to do the same thing. Just as with RC stuff, realize there is no free lunch.
Can we keep it on RC now?
This thread is about retracts. I've got lousy ones and good ones. The good ones always cost more. The electronic retracts and trailing struts I got from, ok, Todd at DW, are the finest quality I have seen. DW has a great reputation, that means something to me. I'm not connected to DW in any way, but appreciate the VERY timely service I have gotten, and so far, I have not seen electric retracts supporting the weight I need anywhere else. There are other good retracts and distributors. Its up to the consumer.
The retracts that this thread is supposed to be about may be just great. It would be nice to hear from some folks who have longtime experience with other brands that have also tried these.
The political and national things don't belong in this thread. But since it was mentioned........
Countries and cultures are diverse. Different countries seem to have a knack for creating great products of various types, and have many things to offer.
Many countries have been enemies in history but are now allies. I'm nobody but I'm glad to have Canada, the UK, Japan, and any others that generally respect their citizens as allies.
In the US, we need to wise up and vote all the bums out. Doesnt matter which side of the isle. Just vote from a standpoint of knowledge and understanding. Get out of your own box, do some research and see reality. Many countries need to do the same thing. Just as with RC stuff, realize there is no free lunch.
Can we keep it on RC now?
02-29-2012, 10:16 AM
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That,s the nice part of America is choices. If you want to try the retracts by all means buy a set. But I,d think twice about getting them from HK
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Apparently a Comprehension issue....
ORIGINAL: LittleBob
You can indeed compare any retract with any other retract. That is exactly what people are doing in this thread and the market
ORIGINAL: lov2flyrc
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
I am a little confused.... where are you guys coming up with 1000.00 retracts from us?
Our retracts are not cheap bent steel or aluminum frames, they are 7075 T-6 machined plates and trunions. Oversized leak free cylinders and reversible. We carry a full inventory of replacement parts and they are 100% USA made. Our most expensive air operated retracts are the Hercules at 275.00 for a three gear set, our standard size Taurus set runs 235.00 and our small Sidewinder set at 199.00.
You cant possibly compare the HK struts to Pro-Link?
Our full combo packages which range from $500 to $1000 include the very best components available from numerous manufacturers. Every single part is custom made to exacting standards and assembled by hand. Personally, I think the Pro-Link line is quite economical considering the quality of the product and support. Of course, to each his own....
Apparently a Comprehension issue....
02-29-2012, 02:01 PM
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Well I'll tell ya how it is with me. I might shop around and compare and all that, BUT. when the spending starts I don't scrimp on stuff like retracts. I have a few jets I'm working on now and when I get ready for the retracts it ain't nothing but Todds Taurus retracts and struts going on it. Yea-if I went to a swap meet and bought a $100.00 POC I might be tempted to put a set of those HK on it mabey. Now about airline. here is where you NEVER want to scrimp. After you roll off all the line you need for a plane from the good stuff Ver. the cheap stuff it's a bucks worth of Diff but it's a whole lot more head banging gonna happen with the cheap stuff trying to get the leaks out of the hard cheap stuff than if you had gone on a bought that good ribbon line from Dreamworks. Now About some of these others posters that has came in here and commented on our Canadian freinds, that won't wash with the vast majority of us Americans down here on this thread. Some of them has stated they don't fly jets and I have never seen them in here before untill now. You guys up across the border can come on in here and post anytime you like and if someone gets off to the side with comments like we read last night, "hit block" on those dudes.
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Well I'm not American but here comes an American demanding everyone else be American too. I have many US friends but a statement like "buy american BE american" is why you guys are getting such a terrible rep around the world. I totally agree that some chinese groups are devaluing products, but I can't believe people come on here and make statements like that when 80 percent of your daily duties/lives/homes/cars/facilites are built with the "Made In China" stamp.
Too little too late buddy.
Well I'm not American but here comes an American demanding everyone else be American too. I have many US friends but a statement like "buy american BE american" is why you guys are getting such a terrible rep around the world. I totally agree that some chinese groups are devaluing products, but I can't believe people come on here and make statements like that when 80 percent of your daily duties/lives/homes/cars/facilites are built with the "Made In China" stamp.
Too little too late buddy.
Most of the parts in my Ford automobile were made in Mexico or Canada; my TV is from China; my cell phone is from Taiwan; my computersare from China; my stereo and speakers are from Japan; my R/C equipment is from Japan; my American designer clothing was made in Asian countries from fabrics manufactured in India; my Glock 19 was made in Austria; my Great Planes kits are from China; the fish I buy in the grocery storecame from China; the drywall, nails, screws, tile and carpet in my home were made in China; Iran and the Middle East control our gas prices; the beer I drink was made in Germany or Mexico, the vodka I drink was made in Russia, my ex-wife is from China; and my girlfriend is from the Philippines. Nothing I own or do is from the USA.
I'm an AMERICAN ... I think so? Or am I?
What the hell happened!!!!!!!!