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BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

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Old 08-15-2012, 10:28 AM
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I guess you missed my Scale Jets F16 with afterburner?
Ill get you a video of that too.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:33 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0isnlkFoJ5A

heres my other F16 at Kentucky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW0Ml...feature=relmfu
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I guess you missed my Scale Jets F16 with afterburner?
Ill get you a video of that too.
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Scott here is a video of your F16.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW0Ml...feature=relmfu

Great flying and a great plane. Much better then an ugly hawk..
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Default RE: BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

Both are great, but F-16´s can do some high alpha stuff that Hawks can´t dream of. Hawks are smoother on F3A kind of maneuvers. It all depends on what you want to do.

I prefer the F-16.


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Default RE: BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

I actually chose to fly my F16 over my Hawk that year.
I love F16's and I love Hawks.
two totally different airplanes though.
not really fair to compare.
F16's are very fast and rip through the skies with high G manuvers, extreme verticals, high speed passes and turns. The Hawk is much slower and capable of much different manuvers.
They both win in the Fun Poll. I have alot of experience on both.
One of my very first jets was a yellow F16 in the 90's. Ive had F16's forever.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:44 AM
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Default RE: BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

P Richards shot a really nice video of my Hawk.
Landings are beautiful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwh5D5v-nao
sounds like not many fans of Hawks these days.
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Bob,
Your lack of interest in Hawks shows in your lack of knowledge.
Need to spend more time on youtube so you know what a Hawk can do.
just one example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtux7OojGM
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Scott,

This is a fun poll, remember? Everything I said was in fun - including that fact that I would take an F-16 over a Hawk any waking minute! [8D]

To me, the definition of a "knife-edge pass" is a 90 degree roll with 1.0 G's along the aircraft's later axis. That's what most model pilots do when they do a knife-edge pass and its what Matt Chapman means when he does it in his Cap 580 (as do many , many other full-scale acrobatic pilots).

Nowhere in those videos did I see a true "knife-edge pass." I saw a couple of 90 degree rolls, but they were accompanied by a change in direction - i.e., they were 90 degree turns, which are easier to do than a true knife-edge pass. Even the announcer in the second video at 5:20 says, as the aircraft passes show center, "a 70 degree bank angle" - not a knife edge pass.

Show me a full-scale jet doing a knife-edge pass like this one and I'll stand corrected.

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Default RE: BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

Saying a full size jet cant do a knife edge pass is pretty rediculous.
He does say Knife edge pass.
I can did you up some more videos.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:54 AM
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I actually chose to fly my F16 over my Hawk that year.
I love F16's and I love Hawks.
two totally different airplanes though.
not really fair to compare.
F16's are very fast and rip through the skies with high G manuvers, extreme verticals, high speed passes and turns. The Hawk is much slower and capable of much different manuvers.
They both win in the Fun Poll. I have alot of experience on both.
One of my very first jets was a yellow F16 in the 90's. Ive had F16's forever.
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I'm glad I can fly both!
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:55 AM
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Is this better Bob?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HPDg...feature=relmfu

check at 6 minutes
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So you want a jet doing 400-600mph to look like a CAP?
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Default RE: BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

Hey you are right, and he actually held it for all of 9 seconds and it looked like he had top-rudder in as well. I stand corrected.

Still, curiously boring though - I'll stick with that... I'll take the F-16 flying in a scale manner over a Hawk knife-edging from horizon-to-horizon - YMMV...

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So you want a jet doing 400-600mph to look like a CAP?
No, actually what I'm saying is that most model Hawks doing a knife-edge pass from one end of the flight line to the other have a boot-load of top rudder in and look just like Matt's Cap - which is definitely not scale, and as I said *for me* is no fun to watch - but then again, its not all about me. To each his own...

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Old 08-15-2012, 11:08 AM
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Default RE: BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

Take it easy guys, this is not a which is a better model poll, just a which is more popular nowadays.

Popularity is, after all, as American as Apple Pie.

Scott you cannot vote, your net input would be zero, or do you have more than one Hawk? I only know the Saudi one......which kicks ass.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:21 AM
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Default RE: BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

I had two big F16's til I sold one last year.
I have several Hawks in different versions and sizes. Even have a big T45 and big Hawk 100.
Popularity vote, huh?
well if you flown both its a tie.
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Default RE: BAE Hawk vs F-16 (fun poll)

For me, despite spending a lot of time flying full size Hawks, the full size F16 wins hands down! The F16 displays I have watched are all awesome - lots of noise, burner, high alpha, high speed, high G - say again - awesome! The solo Hawk displays are, by comparison, quite sedate. There is still high speed (bear in mind that max speed at air displays is 600kts, and the Hawk does 550), high G (Only 8G for the Hawk vs the F16's 9), but only medium noise, no burner and definitely no high alpha, but it does do smooth precise aerobatics. Regarding knife edge flight, this puts huge loads on the vertical stab (Fin for non aerodynamicists) mountings so is not recommended in the full size aircraft. The display pilots have, over the years, extended one point of a 4 point roll as they pass crowd centre to appear to knife edge. It serves no purpose in proper military flying (that's air combat I'm talking about!) either, so is pointless unless you want to say 'look at me knife-edging'!

If we are talking models, then I like the model to fly as close to the full size as possible. Here the Hawk wins hands down. The noise of a model turbine fits, the manoeuvres the model can fly are very similar and it looks right. Put together with a simple wide track undercarriage for good ground handling and some predictable flight characteristics, its a winner. Model F16's just can't match up to the awesomeness of the full size, and for all the afterburner rings you see fitted, you can't quite get away from the lack of noise! Yes, the F16 models do high alpha, but so do plenty of other models, including my F22. Apart from that, the F16 and Hawk models fly very similarly, but the F16 is not particularly good on the ground and the complicated undercarriage makes it potentially unreliable.

When it comes to looks - F16 wins hands down! It is a beautiful aircraft. That said, the Hawk is probably the best looking trainer out there and I think it looks right. (I am probably biased as it is the jet I have the most time on!)

Which to choose as a model - I want both!
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Falconwings,

Sorry, the F-16 needs top rudder to hold KE as well. The computer's good, but not that good

A lot of folks think the computer will vote your rudder inputs out in an F-16, not true unless you're at high alpha, the rudder pedals operate normally (except they are on one bar with a pivot point in the middle vice two pedals that move linerally fore and aft...that took a bit to get used to).
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I had two big F16's til I sold one last year.
I have several Hawks in different versions and sizes. Even have a big T45 and big Hawk 100.
Popularity vote, huh?
well if you flown both its a tie.
Scott
Naah, in your case add them all up. You have more Hawks so you are in fact making them popular.

Hey can you bring your F16 to TMS Sunday AM? Pbly a few of us going out.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:58 AM
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Falconwings,

Sorry, the F-16 needs top rudder to hold KE as well. The computer's good, but not that good

A lot of folks think the computer will vote your rudder inputs out in an F-16, not true unless you're at high alpha, the rudder pedals operate normally (except they are on one bar with a pivot point in the middle vice two pedals that move linerally fore and aft...that took a bit to get used to).
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Hey Dave, can you actually slow roll a Viper? Remember trying on a Block 15 sim and it had the rigid side stick-I could not do anything slow.
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Yes, F-16's can do some nice slow rolls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjC7l...e_gdata_player
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Interesting poll. I happened to have bothSM F16 and my new SM big hawk at Ky Jets. The Hawk wins in my book. F16 is a blast to fly but Hawk is a blast to land!! Basically a trainer As long as you don't get greedy and ge to slow. Funny thing is my wife thinks it's ugly too! Lol looks like shes wanting a Viper jet now!
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The Hawk for me.....

Best looking plane out there.
And they fly soooo well.

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Paul,

I agree with *everything* you've written on RCU, right up to the point where you said "Best looking plane out there" [:'(]

There no Hawk in existence that looks as nice in flight as the F-16 in the Kentucy Jets video gunradd pointed out above. The Hawk looks like a pregnant Guppy in comparison!

And for all of you guys espousing the knife edge capability of your Hawks, when was the last time you saw *any* full-scale jets flying knife-edge for more than 2 seconds? Save the knife-edge passes for the sport jets and 3D prop flying! [:'(]


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXlVHQAmOPY
Check out 3:27 to 3:37 10 second knife edge from an F-15, Mr. CD....
Iagree with you though F-16 rules
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Sorry, was only able toendure 3 minutes, rather watch my lawn grow....
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The Hawk for me.....

Best looking plane out there.
And they fly soooo well.

Paul G
Paul,

I agree with *everything* you've written on RCU, right up to the point where you said ''Best looking plane out there'' [:'(]

There no Hawk in existence that looks as nice in flight as the F-16 in the Kentucy Jets video gunradd pointed out above. The Hawk looks like a pregnant Guppy in comparison!

And for all of you guys espousing the knife edge capability of your Hawks, when was the last time you saw *any* full-scale jets flying knife-edge for more than 2 seconds? Save the knife-edge passes for the sport jets and 3D prop flying! [:'(]


Bob

Bob,
Your lack of interest in Hawks shows in your lack of knowledge.
Need to spend more time on youtube so you know what a Hawk can do.
just one example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtux7OojGM
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Fw,
Yup,
You can slow roll. Max roll rate is limited to 188 or 344 degrees per second (depending on what category loading you select), but will slow way down once you know it

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F-16 is the sexiest plane ever to be powered by a turbine (there are - I hate to admit - a couple of prop planes, the P-51D and the Spitfire - that are quite sexy as well!!!)
Whenever I go to a jet meeting now, the number of red and white Eurosports is declining, and an armada of Hawks are taking over!! I was lucky enough to get to fly an Airworld BIG Hawk
in Sweden recently, and it's a great airplane, but there are just toooooo many of them!!! Very nice and predictable flyer, but no big, hairy cohones!!
I LOVE my F-16!!! (It's my 4th F-16, ok, I may be a little single-minded!!)[:-]

Just take a look at this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcMq3Oi22Pc[/youtube]

Looks pretty good even in a very strong cross wind, right?

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