Ultra flash or Bandit
08-19-2012, 09:54 PM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
The question has to be asked. Why on earth would you put a 40 lb (P 180) power plant, in an air frame designed for 20lbs? (BVMs website, recommended engine thrust for the BARF and Super Bandit is 12-20 lbs). When I built my Super, BV advised me that a P-120 was the maximum power plant for this model..
I realise that this is a contentious issue here on RCU, and am aware that a lot of people successfully over power their models, and do not have issue. But a 180 in a Bandit is well outside the manufacturers recommendation, and you should not be surprised if you have a problem with this combination..
On the original post, the UF and the Bandit are both very good air frames. I prefer the Bandit as I think it is more aerodynamically efficient. It has full gear doors and area ruled ducting. I have not flown an UF.
Roger
I realise that this is a contentious issue here on RCU, and am aware that a lot of people successfully over power their models, and do not have issue. But a 180 in a Bandit is well outside the manufacturers recommendation, and you should not be surprised if you have a problem with this combination..
On the original post, the UF and the Bandit are both very good air frames. I prefer the Bandit as I think it is more aerodynamically efficient. It has full gear doors and area ruled ducting. I have not flown an UF.
Roger
08-19-2012, 10:04 PM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
ORIGINAL: wojtek
The Bandit is a lot better looking of a plane .. it has that great aggressive aerodynamic look. The Flash looks ok, but its more of a pattern plane rounded out look ... take some give some ...
~V~
The Bandit is a lot better looking of a plane .. it has that great aggressive aerodynamic look. The Flash looks ok, but its more of a pattern plane rounded out look ... take some give some ...
~V~
This is one dimension that the Bandit wins hands down IMO.
08-20-2012, 12:50 AM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
I personally haven't flown a bandit, but friends who have them are very impressed overall, i think the bandit does have the edge with the speed and construction, but i think it depends on how much you want to spend on a model. I have an Ultra Flash with a jetcat 160, and it has to be the best all round model in my opinion especially when you look at the cost to put it in the air, some would say its construction isn't as solid as the bandit (but i have heard of several people having issues with BARF U/C plates). you can fly the Ultra Flash pretty hard and it comes back for more, it would be nice to see a bigger variety of stock colours from CARF though.
Here is video of my Ultra Flash, full speed pass is at approx 2 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77BIV7Wvxr4
Here is video of my Ultra Flash, full speed pass is at approx 2 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77BIV7Wvxr4
08-22-2012, 07:23 PM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
ORIGINAL: KFX450
Wow, I appreciate everyones response. Thats why I like posting things like this. When its civil, you get a lot of good advice from experienced people..Thank You
Wow, I appreciate everyones response. Thats why I like posting things like this. When its civil, you get a lot of good advice from experienced people..Thank You
08-23-2012, 04:39 AM
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ORIGINAL: jonkoppisch
A friend has both the classic flash and bandit. He said the biggest thing he noticed was that the bandit landed slower and easier than the flash.
A friend has both the classic flash and bandit. He said the biggest thing he noticed was that the bandit landed slower and easier than the flash.
08-23-2012, 07:50 AM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
I've built and flown Flash and Ultra Flash, Composite Super Bandit and Bandit ARF...All four are still flying. They are all completely different aeroplanes, none bad. The Flashes are both more lively in pitch (elevator) and need mixes or tweaks in drag mode for landing. The Bandits need no flap mixes and will let you know if they are too slow on landing as the elevator stops having affect! All except the Classic Flash need to land without too much vertical speed (descent) and the UF and BARF lower wing loading means not to fast or they will still be flying (skippy time)
Each will suit a different pilots feel, but all can be mastered easily with a little thought, personally I like them all for different reasons, but as an all-round model I'd have an Ultra Flash if I had to have just one...Price, bullet proof, flying-its a winner.
Dw
Each will suit a different pilots feel, but all can be mastered easily with a little thought, personally I like them all for different reasons, but as an all-round model I'd have an Ultra Flash if I had to have just one...Price, bullet proof, flying-its a winner.
Dw
08-23-2012, 09:20 AM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
ORIGINAL: Kenrico
didn't you build a Bandit MKII a few months back?
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Wow, I appreciate everyones response. Thats why I like posting things like this. When its civil, you get a lot of good advice from experienced people..Thank You
Wow, I appreciate everyones response. Thats why I like posting things like this. When its civil, you get a lot of good advice from experienced people..Thank You
I did, Never got to fly it. Sold it like an idiot, I had my reasons at the time then realized I shouldn't have..
08-23-2012, 10:57 AM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
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I did, Never got to fly it. Sold it like an idiot, I had my reasons at the time then realized I shouldn't have..
ORIGINAL: Kenrico
didn't you build a Bandit MKII a few months back?
ORIGINAL: KFX450
Wow, I appreciate everyones response. Thats why I like posting things like this. When its civil, you get a lot of good advice from experienced people..Thank You
Wow, I appreciate everyones response. Thats why I like posting things like this. When its civil, you get a lot of good advice from experienced people..Thank You
I did, Never got to fly it. Sold it like an idiot, I had my reasons at the time then realized I shouldn't have..
hope that helps with your decision.
08-23-2012, 01:37 PM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
ORIGINAL: Dave Wilshere
I've built and flown Flash and Ultra Flash, Composite Super Bandit and Bandit ARF...All four are still flying. They are all completely different aeroplanes, none bad. The Flashes are both more lively in pitch (elevator) and need mixes or tweaks in drag mode for landing. The Bandits need no flap mixes and will let you know if they are too slow on landing as the elevator stops having affect! All except the Classic Flash need to land without too much vertical speed (descent) and the UF and BARF lower wing loading means not to fast or they will still be flying (skippy time)
Each will suit a different pilots feel, but all can be mastered easily with a little thought, personally I like them all for different reasons, but as an all-round model I'd have an Ultra Flash if I had to have just one...Price, bullet proof, flying-its a winner.
Dw
I've built and flown Flash and Ultra Flash, Composite Super Bandit and Bandit ARF...All four are still flying. They are all completely different aeroplanes, none bad. The Flashes are both more lively in pitch (elevator) and need mixes or tweaks in drag mode for landing. The Bandits need no flap mixes and will let you know if they are too slow on landing as the elevator stops having affect! All except the Classic Flash need to land without too much vertical speed (descent) and the UF and BARF lower wing loading means not to fast or they will still be flying (skippy time)
Each will suit a different pilots feel, but all can be mastered easily with a little thought, personally I like them all for different reasons, but as an all-round model I'd have an Ultra Flash if I had to have just one...Price, bullet proof, flying-its a winner.
Dw
And I'm the lucky owner of Dave's old BARF
I put a P100 in it and have to say the low speed handling is exceptional and it's a great aerobatic aircraft. I fly with some guys with UF's and with a 120 (let alone a 160) they are faster than my P100 BARF and overall seem to be really strong and robust. My BARF seems to handle low speed better and is more neutral when the flaps are down. Seems like both are great options just do some things better and other things worse than each other.
08-23-2012, 04:38 PM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
Thanks guys, seems like its a " 6 in one and half dozen in the other" But the service I have been getting from Harley Condra and the service in the past from everyone at BVM seems to be the tipping point. I have never owned a CARF, and can't comment on their service, but theres nothing like needing a part, just making a call and BV ships it right out..Please feel free to post away on this thread..I think its good to have comparisons on similar planes. Helps a lot..
08-23-2012, 06:11 PM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
And you get a wonderful selection of color and schemes.
I used to think that the cockpit was a little tight, but now with e=retracts, and solenoids in the jet, and S-bus, there is more room than ever.
John
I used to think that the cockpit was a little tight, but now with e=retracts, and solenoids in the jet, and S-bus, there is more room than ever.
John
08-23-2012, 09:57 PM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
You won't beat BVM's back up on parts...The two companies use completely different business models and part of BVM's higher prices is the service they can offer.
Dw
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08-24-2012, 05:17 PM
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RE: Ultra flash or Bandit
ORIGINAL: KFX450
I'm thinking of my next winter project and I'm trying to decide between the two. I had my heart set on a bandit but I was just watching an ultra flash and it made me think twice. Price point being a really good factor. Don't want to start anything here but would like to hear from people on thoughts. I find this a good place to sway my decision. Would like to hear from some people that have flown both. Thanks in advance.
I'm thinking of my next winter project and I'm trying to decide between the two. I had my heart set on a bandit but I was just watching an ultra flash and it made me think twice. Price point being a really good factor. Don't want to start anything here but would like to hear from people on thoughts. I find this a good place to sway my decision. Would like to hear from some people that have flown both. Thanks in advance.
