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Old 01-29-2013, 08:46 PM
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Hi Thomas, I am scheduled to receive mine in 3 weeks but for ease of transport, i might have to make the nose to come off easily. Could you please advise that what was the main problem with the way that the factory set it up and if you made template of the parts you made?

Thanks, Behzad
Hey Behzad, each to their own of course but IMO the fuselage joining screws are quite easy to get to with a ball driver. I have had my fus together and apart about 20 times during my build and not struggled at any point. I will get my Hawk out later and try to take some pics with my hand in there so you can see and decide for yourself.

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Hi Colin

Do you by any chance know that who makes a center tank for this hawk? I contacted Details for Scale and Dan does not make it. I think it would look good on Red Arrows.

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Hi Behzad,

The reason why I made modifications to the split was that I felt it was a to hard to get to the screws. I kept the original joining pins for alignment, but made 4 new upper joinings for 4 mm screws where the screws are inserted from the front end. We have done the same to the large airworld hawk here in Norway.

Like Collin says - he has no problem - this is my personal way of doing it :-)

The two body halves was a bit soft (a friend of mine has the same model, but his body was more stiff). This explains why I made som extra structure.

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Hey Thomas, how is the assembly coming along ?

For Behzad, here are a couple of pics with my hands in there doing up the screws. There are 4 in the upper section of the fus and 2 right at the bottom which are accessible through the gear doors.

regards

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I thought I would get mine all together and take her outdoors for the first time since I started work on her. Just finished putting the lighting system in yesterday. Nice and bright !

One pic of my systems layout as well.
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Hi Collin,

Your model look great! I have not manage to do much really - just some small work has been carried out. Undercarriage is finished (but needs to be installed), all servos installed and some scale parts made. Here are some pictures.


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Hi Thomas,

Have you figured out where you plan on fitting your Fuel On/Off valve & UAT? Or do plan on doing it similar to Colin's?

I haven't decided yet, I do like Colin's setup, but no sure on having the UAT above the main tank.

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Hi Thomas

Thank you. I fully understand. I will check mine upon arrival and would ask your help and more details if I feel it is necessary to add to the strength. Actually last year I saw a very old Skygate version (please remember I mentioned very old) fold in half from the similar location. Honestly, I have no idea that what condition that plane was at but due to the size of these jets, it is good to check them in detail .

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Hey Thomas, how is the assembly coming along ?

For Behzad, here are a couple of pics with my hands in there doing up the screws. There are 4 in the upper section of the fus and 2 right at the bottom which are accessible through the gear doors.

regards

Colin
Hi Colin, thank you so much. You are doing good head way. I build much slower due to shortage of time. But, I look forward to it. I am just finishing a 2.5 M Futura so timing is working out great.

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HEY WAIT FOR ME!! I'm getting one.......
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HEY WAIT FOR ME!! I'm getting one.......
So I'm 3 for 5. Now just gotta work on Reitzel. I heard Bill B chickened out and bought an A10 instead.

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Thomas - time is always a problem - real life keeps getting in the way of playing with big toys

One thing the early builders will come across is that the thrust tube is 18mm too long. This can be dealt with in one of 2 ways - either by trimming the front of the bypass or by trimming the front of the thrust tube. I chose to trim the front of the thrust tube as the bypass fits so perfectly into the woodwork and this is good for locating the turbine / tube assembly. The argument for trimming the front of the bypass is that you can bring the turbine forward a few mm but I don't think this will affect the balance that much.

Some pics of what I did - I cut off the area outside of the blue tape marking shown on the tube :-
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Hi Collin,

Totally agree - time is always the missing factor.

We had the same problem, but we actually ended up by shortning the carbon bypass. We split it in two halves and removed about 3 cm - then glued it together and added strenght with som carbonfiber cloth. We ended up getting the motor a bit more forward - what we though was a good solution due to our elevator setup (and the weight that was added to the elevator stab for balancing it). Sounds like a crazy idea, but we are very happy with the solution.

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Hi Ty,

I have not decided, but will let you know :-)

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Am enjoying this thread guys.... Colin the model is looking great well done and good luck,, get the video going for the maiden you would need better weather than we are having at present , mark is very quiet how is his coming on ?
Thomas how did you add weight to the stabiliser to counter balance , I like that idea?
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Well gents...the next container of Skarf Hawks for North America is due to arrive in a couple of weeks. Mine is going direct to my buddy Chris in Wash. state. The plan is to visit for a few days, try to knock off a transportation cradle and come up with a laser cut, interlocking wood former assembly that adds strength and structure to a removable top hatch just above the engine. We will take a bunch of pics and post for your enjoyment.


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Hi Robert,

In front of the stab - facing the fuselage - we cut out a area approx 4 cm x 1,5 cm (square) on each halves. This cut out is hidden from visual sight when plane is assembled. We added 120grams of lead in each elevator half. Glued it inn with hysol and supported it with some balsa. We then fitted the square that was cut out on a tape - used hysol around the edges and taped it in place. After final cure - tape was removed and the seams where perfect! Just add some colour to hide the seam.

Balancing it will (my opinion) make it easier for the elevator servos. The stab is still a bit tail heavy - was told that it shall not balance completely. I am using JR 8711 on stab.

Hope this helps,

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Well gents...the next container of Skarf Hawks for North America is due to arrive in a couple of weeks. Mine is going direct to my buddy Chris in Wash. state. The plan is to visit for a few days, try to knock off a transportation cradle and come up with a laser cut, interlocking wood former assembly that adds strength and structure to a removable top hatch just above the engine. We will take a bunch of pics and post for your enjoyment.


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Hi Dean, it seems as yours and mine are arriving together. I am sure it will be fun.

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Thanks Thomas ... I do like that idea .... Keep posting with photos , better than 1000 words!
I need one of these SOON!! to keep Colin smiling
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Have just come back from a weeks flying at a show in India so a little behing speedy Colin. :-)
Hello boys, sorry for being so quite , yes mine is building fine all servos in and set up well with no problems at all like my CARF viper it is just slotting together, pity other manufactures do not follow what CARF have done, if they don't they will get left behind,
Time is a big factor in most cases, yes it is expensive , but when you take in consideration the beautiful paint job already done and the amount of prep done by CARF this makes this big plane very affordable ,here in England a good paint job with out all the detail and rivets taken off of the price of the kit puts it into the afford pricing.
As for the ease of install , again loads of time saved , you only get what you pay for!
Sorry I don't tell you more but Colin keeping you informed and it saving me time to build my under. 20 kg 200sx power Skygate Hawk . I know we have all talked. About 20 kg being to light, but I'm building this for calm weather flying , you know 2 times a year ;-)
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Robert, you haven't confirmed your colour scheme yet - can get you a Swiss one pretty sharpish though

Mine is looking very "empty" at the moment as it needs the cockpit, wing fences, other scale bits and the Tailor made decal set. I'm going to weather her up as well as there is so much nice detail in there, it needs bringing out.

Mark you are going to have to get yours on a diet if you are going for sub 20kg with the 200SX especially if you are going to fit the air brake.

Started fiddling with the cockpit on mine last night. It is really nice but its not going to be a 5 minute job to fit. I weighed my pilot and he came in at 500 grams so he is going on a crash diet as well.

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Hey Colin...Which pilot are you using?
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Skymaster 1/4 scale pilot... pre diet pic attached
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Awesome! That's the one I was thinking about to. Wanted to see what others guys are using!
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Hi,

Decided to make the canopy with hinges. Here are some pictures from todays activity.


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Thomas looks like yours is going to be super scale ...love it !!
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