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Old 11-24-2014, 10:42 AM
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yea it was a B***H...I couldn't imagine installing them on the inside.
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LOOK at what I just ordered It want make it in time for Christmas but I hope to have it in time for FL jets.
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Is that the tail only ? that would be cool.

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I had purchase the mask from Tailormade to paint it with but then I see this online as part of the kit so I contacted Andy and he ordered it for me.

Fin, rudder and elevator cover.

I love it. Here is a youtube of one already out there flying.

http://youtu.be/-lO3w7VLTz4?list=FLn21FiSaialjufKUSiiliEw
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Hi Guys, in order for my gear to cler that door and fit right, I am ending up with a few degree of tow out on each side. Is that what you have experienced? I have the gear covers on as well but if I try to put some toe in, then the tire does not allow the gear door on the fuse side to close. I would appreciate some feedback or pictures from front.

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Hi ,
you need to fine tune the position of your retracts/struts "sit" in the wing .. Some shims/sanding is required to get them in the right position .
You will have to file away some material in the wing root to clear part of the strut ... It shows in the manual and also here on this thread too.
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Originally Posted by lavi rider
Hi ,
you need to fine tune the position of your retracts/struts "sit" in the wing .. Some shims/sanding is required to get them in the right position .
You will have to file away some material in the wing root to clear part of the strut ... It shows in the manual and also here on this thread too.
I also have this problem but am unable to see how it can be made to work with toe in. The Strut cover contacts the wing under surface before I can achieve any toe in and this leaves the main door 2 mm open so I can't see what there is to sand. If I shim the mount then the small door will not close. The best I can achieve is about 1 degree toe out with both doors closed.

Some pictures and specific advice would be welcome if possible.

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I had the same issue , my solution was to grind away the airex in that area up to the wing skin and reinforce the area by applying a piece of 0.5mm poly ply , it was enough to clear the strut .
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Originally Posted by lavi rider
I had the same issue , my solution was to grind away the airex in that area up to the wing skin and reinforce the area by applying a piece of 0.5mm poly ply , it was enough to clear the strut .

Thanks Lavi - but wow - is that really the only solution? Anyone else had to do this or are there other solutions?

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I've decided on deleting the non scale gaps between the gear doors and fuselage.... has anyone done this?
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I also reduced the inlet area . The area now is about the same as on my Ultra Lightning...
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Old 12-07-2014, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DUCMOZ
Hi Guys, in order for my gear to cler that door and fit right, I am ending up with a few degree of tow out on each side. Is that what you have experienced? I have the gear covers on as well but if I try to put some toe in, then the tire does not allow the gear door on the fuse side to close. I would appreciate some feedback or pictures from front.

Thanks

Behzad
I will be setting mine up with toe out. We always set up race cars up with toe out. Why? Because they drove better. Thanks, Mike
Old 12-07-2014, 08:39 AM
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Hi All, I have done all the sanding, shimming and adjusting but at the end with the gear covers, I am with exactly 4 degree toe out per side if I want to have a nice fit. After spending so much time doing the covers, It is disappointing. Also, fully understand about toe-out in the cars but this seem a little too much. Will post if I find a good solution.

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Old 12-07-2014, 01:38 PM
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Here are some pics from Saturday at Aero Fest in Miami,Florida ,.
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Awesome JC... I can wait to see in person. I love the paint job. I hope we get fly together at FL jets in March.
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It looks great. I see you are a smart man. Have let go of pesky strut covers��
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Yes we tried for a while with the strut covers and did not like how flimsy they were and decided not to install them. I have a friend working on some fiberglass covers, those I will try to fit on. After flying both the Tomahawk and the Skygate I really believe the Full bypass is a must. My Skygate has a more solid feel . Sure hope to see you Jeff, Miguel Alvarez might come out with a bypass kit for the Skygate Hawk he is working on a second kit now for Tony Bonnano with the bypass.

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We need someone with 3d printing knowledge to make a set that we can screw together and fits perfectly. Then, there will be no hassle.

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Originally Posted by j.c.a.
Yes we tried for a while with the strut covers and did not like how flimsy they were and decided not to install them. I have a friend working on some fiberglass covers, those I will try to fit on. After flying both the Tomahawk and the Skygate I really believe the Full bypass is a must. My Skygate has a more solid feel . Sure hope to see you Jeff, Miguel Alvarez might come out with a bypass kit for the Skygate Hawk he is working on a second kit now for Tony Bonnano with the bypass.

J.C. Alvarez
Yes the strut cover a very flimsy. It was a big pain. I am not happy with how they look but they are ok. I got enough expoy so the doors are solid.

Counting the days to FL jets. I hope to have my new rudder. I have upgraded the lights and they look great.
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Old 12-08-2014, 12:41 AM
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Hi. As you'll see in my earlier posts, I didn't use the strut covers. I worked with the strut and anchor points for the strut door. What I ended up with is a semi scale strut with a positive mechanically locked in strut door. I didn't take any chances with epoxy holding the door on a flimsy strut with a cover.
Refer to my posts earlier. Some pics also there.
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Did the strut covers , used some plywood to build up a frame the connects the strut covers to the strut in a positive way and glued the halvs to each other with hysol...sanded off some of the strut cover skin and aplied a thin strip of 50 gram glass cloth on the seam...
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This is what it looks like now . -0.5 degree tow in
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More progress on the gear doors...
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Originally Posted by DUCMOZ
Hi All, I have done all the sanding, shimming and adjusting but at the end with the gear covers, I am with exactly 4 degree toe out per side if I want to have a nice fit. After spending so much time doing the covers, It is disappointing. Also, fully understand about toe-out in the cars but this seem a little too much. Will post if I find a good solution.

Behzad
For those already flying, be grateful for your observations re ground handling. Given the difficulties of achieving any kind of toe in, I'm wondering just how sensitive the aeroplane is when departing and landing and therefore just how much this matters. Best I can get is 1 degree toe out without digging up the airex.

Thanks for your thoughts

Bob


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