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Old 01-21-2013, 11:22 PM
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Yes it need wing ans stab tip like ultra flash and ultra lightning.
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Old 01-22-2013, 06:48 AM
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Very Nice! I like what you are doing with this design.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:28 AM
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Hi all

i just got the front fuse of Ultra Dragon prototype ..

i am very happy with this large Dragon [X(]

cant wait to finish it.,
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:51 AM
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Hi Anton

I really like your idea, we had our first Aerobatic class in our Jet Nationals last year October and I have been toying with doing my own Aerobatic jet, however I think it would probably be far easier and cheaper to purchase one.
I have been flying a 1,9 meter Futura which has performed exceptionally well, if I could change my Futura I would want a slightly longer tail moment and more wing area.

I have some suggestions for your Ultra Dragon.
A longer tail moment or more area on your fin will help with tracking.
A fuselage strake or keel underneath will also help with tracking (ala Sebart Avantis)
Anhedral on the stab will have the same effect as lowering the stab which will help with knife edge coupling.
A wing span of 2.5 meters will help with increasing wing area.
If the wing trailing edge was straight or swept slightly forward it would move the Center of pressure forward which in turn would make the tail moment longer.
Perhaps you could offer two wings, the wing you have drawn for someone who wants a every day sport jet, and a slightly larger wing with less sweep for guys wanting to fly the aerobatic class.
I also think some form of wing fence or wing tip (SFG) will help with side area for knife edge flight.

I think as soon as the class gets its first wold championships the jet design will start moving more towards something resembling a F3A pattern ship. There is no reason why a jet cannot be designed to fly like a F3A plane and still have the sleek sexy lines of a jet.

Good luck with your venture I will be watching it very closely as I am looking for a new jet for the F3S class.

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Old 01-23-2013, 02:52 PM
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Anton its looking good , i cant wait to see the jet fuse finnished .  great work !
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Old 01-23-2013, 06:04 PM
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Hi Anton

I really like your idea, we had our first Aerobatic class in our Jet Nationals last year October and I have been toying with doing my own Aerobatic jet, however I think it would probably be far easier and cheaper to purchase one.
I have been flying a 1,9 meter Futura which has performed exceptionally well, if I could change my Futura I would want a slightly longer tail moment and more wing area.

I have some suggestions for your Ultra Dragon.
A longer tail moment or more area on your fin will help with tracking.
A fuselage strake or keel underneath will also help with tracking (ala Sebart Avantis)
Anhedral on the stab will have the same effect as lowering the stab which will help with knife edge coupling.
A wing span of 2.5 meters will help with increasing wing area.
If the wing trailing edge was straight or swept slightly forward it would move the Center of pressure forward which in turn would make the tail moment longer.
Perhaps you could offer two wings, the wing you have drawn for someone who wants a every day sport jet, and a slightly larger wing with less sweep for guys wanting to fly the aerobatic class.
I also think some form of wing fence or wing tip (SFG) will help with side area for knife edge flight.

I think as soon as the class gets its first wold championships the jet design will start moving more towards something resembling a F3A pattern ship. There is no reason why a jet cannot be designed to fly like a F3A plane and still have the sleek sexy lines of a jet.

Good luck with your venture I will be watching it very closely as I am looking for a new jet for the F3S class.

Regards

Neil Collins
Thank you alot !!

the 2.65M (104.6") length very large![X(]
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:33 PM
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Is this jet going to have gear doors ?
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:36 PM
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Hi Anton,

Placing a slightly smaller horizontal tail at bottom of fuselage like in the Flash will improve control response and reduce drag and weight required at the nose. Turning the wing tips up as winglets will reduce vortices and improve flight envelope. Good luck with this project.

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Old 01-24-2013, 05:13 PM
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HELLO ANTON,
any guess on weight? any guess as to app. how much it will sell for?
I like the idea of more sport jets.
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:54 PM
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Thank you all suggested,

i think the weight for Ultra dragon (painted with the nose gear door) should be 16kg around.,(35lbs)..[X(]

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Do people who have subscription to this thread have 1 st orders on this plane , it is looking realy good . love the photos .

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Old 01-24-2013, 07:53 PM
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estimated price?
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:03 AM
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the new big Trailing Link Landing Gear for Ultra Dragon not finish yet, i will use the F-100 main gear for test fly, next week ,,

i estimate the combo prices for Ultra dragon should be $ 3500.- USD around, very Reasonable price .. i think ,
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Old 01-25-2013, 11:26 AM
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Trailing link gear is great for this plane . Is the engine hatch in the same place as the dragon smaller type ?
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:23 AM
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Trailing link gear is great for this plane . Is the engine hatch in the same place as the dragon smaller type ?
not need the engine hatch, only the canopy hatch .,

compared with the Large Viper jet..
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:22 AM
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Wow, you don't waste any time. From 3D drawings to having the turbine installed in the prototype
fuselage in such a short time is pretty impressive, at least to me. I love to see projects like
this take shape, please keep posting pictures.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:40 PM
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Hi Anton,

are you guys working with fly eagle jet on a collaboration project? They seem to have something on there site that looks very similiar and I would like you to post your comments:

http://flyeaglejet.com/en/index%20jet.html
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Hi, all

Today i made two maiden flights with Ultra Dragon.

There was flameout due to UAT empty during first flight. After inspection of UAT,

I made nay maneuvers test during second flight.
I feel there is still much room for improvement design of Ultra Dragon,

not just enlarge the size of small Dragon.I will consider all contributed opinions,
like making tip thicker and enlarge area of stabs and fin.We’ll also add spoiler for air brake. I will continue more test flights and improvement including changing wing foils.

Regardless of other factory, Skymaster will not neglect the testing of Ultra Dragon over and over until i am happy.

SM will get new Ultra Dragon reach its extreme flight characteristic. Please keep concern on further news. In next days,i will test ultra Dragon with another new designed wings again soon.

here are Video for Ultra Dragon maiden:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA4MDg5MTI4.html

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA4MTAxMTk2.html

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Ok so if I understand correctly, you have no involvement with the jet that Fly eagle Jet is making correct?
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:45 AM
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Anton, looking forward to seeing the final product.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:38 AM
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Is very good
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Old 02-03-2013, 07:19 AM
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Anton,

Who's electric retracts are you useing on your video page ?
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:22 AM
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Hmmm....  Wouldnt mind a nose change....  I just think the dragon nose area isnt  sexy enough....  Been looking at it gow awhile but the fuselage lines just didnt do it.....
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Very nice Anton! The new Dragon looks nice in the videos
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anything more Anton on the progress you have made with this plane lately ?
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