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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    Here is my video of the slats deployed during preflight, watch at the 40sec mark it happens quick.

    http://youtu.be/cHPfkLoO3NM

    One for the road...play it loud!

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    Found my photos of this QF-4E from the airshow.
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?


    ORIGINAL: VF84sluggo

    All the slats did was give the Phantom driver 360 degrees of turn, instead of just 180, before he got gunned...

    ya, okay. But the Phantom still flys...the Tomcat was euthanized years ago.
    \"Leave the gun, take the cannolis\"

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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    I asked a rear in an RF-4 if the inverted airfoil of the stab helped at low speed manuevering speeds, he looked at me and aid he had no clue. The punchline was he had never noticed it before, about what I expected from a t-sip...LOL!

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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    The first version of the wing leading edge slats on the F-4Es were known as the -556 mod. Not sure what the later versions were. I have no idea why that fact is stuck in my head
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    Phantoms phorever!
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4KLXlE9ZU4

    Now this is some Phantom Phlyin'
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    @ Denny, sounds like a Rhino driver or maintainer talking there!!!

    Yep Tom, so kick butt footage!!!
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    Nice video Tom!
    Here is the "hard" wing in action. I am thinking about this F-4EJ kai scheme actually. No slats to worry with at all. Just the slotted stab.
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    The real F-4E had leading edge flaps that were later convert to manuevering flaps, that is they were extended as function of angle of attack.  It made the jet more agile but was a ton of drag added.  The Stabilator had a slatted leading edge, it is fixed slat.  I do not recall the wing out panels have slats, I will check again the jets on display at Navy Fort Worth JRB. 

    The Navy is now the host at old Carswell AFB and that is its new name, Navy Fort Worth Joint Reserve Base.  So there are Air Force jets on display.  It is ironic that Navy Fort Worth has an Air Force Reserve numbered Air Force headquarters and a full Air Force Reserve wing stationed there.  So in general there are more Air Force personnel at the base than Navy but its a new Department of Defense, all that jointess now days.  Has a Commissary and an Air Force BX on it.  No Navy BX.  And the old hospital is inside a Federal prison appropriately name Carswell Federal Prison - go figure?

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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    Hard wing Thunderbird F-4 69-73, would like to have seen that show....


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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    There are two versions of the LE Flap wing as well. The C model and the E models had LE Flaps but the difference is there is an inboard segment on the C model giving the wing a 3 piece LE Flap. The later E model had a fixed inboard segment so the wing now had a two piece LE Flap. Then there are the export versions like the RF-4C,M and F-4EK. The late E models were modified under a program called Agile Eagle and thats when slats were introduced.

    Im a big fan of the blue JASDF F-4EK. If I had an E model SM F-4 I would make it into that blue Rhino.
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    deeyyaaammm those birds are bad to the bone!!! wish I still had my big F4
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    Chris, the F-4EJ Kai in the blue maritime F-2 camo is my first choice. It is used for anti-shipping duty with the ASM-2 anti-ship missile shown slung under each wing (I will scratch these as they look really nice hung under there). The fun part of that scheme is going to be making all of the stencils that typically cover the -EJ.

    Buck, what happened to your F-4?


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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    Here is a nice little full scale F-4 Demo:

    www.youtube.com/watch


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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    Mark,
    Yes it is unfortunate that everyone doesn't get to see the T-Birds and the Blues flying F-4's. I saw them at the Dulles Transpo '72 show; it was the most awesome aerial demonstration I have seen before or since. Those guys had doo-dads! The roll on takeoff was much lower than in the Threshold movie and the sound of those J-79's was unforgettable! wow...

    I became scarred for life. Pantoms Phorever.
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    The first time I saw the TBs was when they flew Phantoms. Literally shook the ground, your fillings and everything else. UNBELIEVABLE! I'll never forget the first time I strapped one of these bad boys on and fired it up UNBELIEVABLE! One of these days I need a big SM Rhino.
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    The only way Threshold could be any better is if someway it could be redone with GoPro cameras! My Favorite part is "over the top at 57"..... "Ease the power"

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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    I was a dumb***** and didn't preflight the control surface movement!!!! well...I did but saw what I wanted to see from a different airplane program!!!! DoooooHHHHHH


    ORIGINAL: JackL

    Chris, the F-4EJ Kai in the blue maritime F-2 camo is my first choice. It is used for anti-shipping duty with the ASM-2 anti-ship missile shown slung under each wing (I will scratch these as they look really nice hung under there). The fun part of that scheme is going to be making all of the stencils that typically cover the -EJ.

    Buck, what happened to your F-4?


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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    ORIGINAL: JackL

    Chris, the F-4EJ Kai in the blue maritime F-2 camo is my first choice. It is used for anti-shipping duty with the ASM-2 anti-ship missile shown slung under each wing (I will scratch these as they look really nice hung under there). The fun part of that scheme is going to be making all of the stencils that typically cover the -EJ.

    Buck, what happened to your F-4?


    Yep its pretty sa-weet! Speaking of the stencils do you, or anyone else, have the nomenclature. Is it in Japanese or English or a mix? I have the complete English set from USG paint shop manuals but I don't have any close up images of the blue F-2 scheme. Im thinking the best source would be the Hasegawa 1/48 model kit, its a limited edition.

    Tp777fo,

    What can you tell us about your time with the F-4?
    If you cant walk into a bar and drop that big F-4 pilot card on the table and not get at least a beer Id be pissed! Lol
    "So what did you do when you were younger?" "Oh not much, I just strapped an F-4 fire breathing Phantom to my back for a little while...."
    Id have a man crush and buy you a beer! Just sayin...

    Here is another great video, its all early footage and they show the F-4 in detail. Pretty cool, all the working features covered up close.

    http://youtu.be/eFhHqmrG8U8
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    My favorite part of the movie was the dirty loop. I can do it with the Bandit but no way with the 180 powered Skymaster F-4.

    Now maybe it it had 2 180's....
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    The stencils are a mix of Japanese and English. The best source I have found are the Tamiya decals for the 1/32 F-4EJ, and the limited edition Hobby Boss dry-transfers for the 1/32 F-4EJ Kai in this exactF-2 Scheme. They are both legible under magnification. I have a number of Japanese puplications with some great photos (in storage at the moment). Where did you find the USG paint shop manual info?


    Buck, that is a bad way to lose one! (not that there is a good way...) Are you going to get another one?


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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    I spent a lot of time digging for info online and came across all the info. The stencils cover each F-4 variant.
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    Absolutely but my BV F4 will take it's place for now. c/ya at Houston Jet meet..work permitting

    ORIGINAL: JackL

    The stencils are a mix of Japanese and English. The best source I have found are the Tamiya decals for the 1/32 F-4EJ, and the limited edition Hobby Boss dry-transfers for the 1/32 F-4EJ Kai in this exactF-2 Scheme. They are both legible under magnification. I have a number of Japanese puplications with some great photos (in storage at the moment). Where did you find the USG paint shop manual info?


    Buck, that is a bad way to lose one! (not that there is a good way...) Are you going to get another one?

    Fifteen is my limit on schnitzengruben baaaby

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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?

    I'll hopefully get to go to the Houston meet. Probably won't bring anything to fly so that I will have an excuse to fly Bob-O's new jet. Iwas hoping to have my F-16 ready to go this Spring, but I have been too busy to get it finished. This is how I plan on painting it. 149th FW out of San Antonio.
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    RE: F-4E with Slatted wings?


    ORIGINAL: Wagon1

    ORIGINAL: VF84sluggo

    All the slats did was give the Phantom driver 360 degrees of turn, instead of just 180, before he got gunned...
    ya, okay. But the Phantom still flys...the Tomcat was euthanized years ago.
    And I'm glad that they still do!


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