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Old 10-24-2013, 10:46 PM
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Now that Kero start has been around for some time I was wondering if people honestly prefer it to gas start. For me all the faff with the battery types and the often limited number of starts you get make it a worse option over gas start. Also the cost of service of a kero burner over a glow plug is in my view a disadvantage.

What do others feel ?
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Originally Posted by Jetflyer3000
Now that Kero start has been around for some time I was wondering if people honestly prefer it to gas start. For me all the faff with the battery types and the often limited number of starts you get make it a worse option over gas start. Also the cost of service of a kero burner over a glow plug is in my view a disadvantage.

What do others feel ?
Easy choice for me, Kero. No brainer. Too easy these days with Kero. Why need 2 fuels when kerostart Jetcats start perfect every time?

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Kero or gas makes no difference to me
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Originally Posted by sskianpour
Easy choice for me, Kero. No brainer. Too easy these days with Kero. Why need 2 fuels when kerostart Jetcats start perfect every time?

Shaz
My Kero Jetcat P20 doesn't My other P20's on gas start fine
Old 10-25-2013, 12:09 AM
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Easy choice for me also. Kero start all the way. No problem with them and also just got a K-180G with the valves built into the turbine. Makes the install very easy and neat
Old 10-25-2013, 12:12 AM
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Kero start is defiantly easier but takes longer to start.
Gas is quicker but you have to carry to fuels.
I believe both are reliable so it really comes down to preference.
In everything in life there is pros and cons in everything.
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Originally Posted by sskianpour
Easy choice for me, Kero. No brainer. Too easy these days with Kero. Why need 2 fuels when kerostart Jetcats start perfect every time?

Shaz

Personally.... I've seen issues with starting on Kero a bunch of times over the last year or so. Everything from a smoldering start (and no fire) to full on flame throwers. SO... because of that... I'm not sold on it.

As far as "Why carry 2 fuels".... I already carry so much extra junk when flying turbines, it's not a big deal to have a bottle of propane.

I prefer gas starts. Besides... The Kero start system made the engines more expensive by $100 or more.

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Kero for me. I also feel it to be a more safe way to start, rather then being around explosive propane.
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Have both and I must say that after Kero is dialed in, this is the best way to go. Both Jetcat and Jetcentral Kero systems work OK.
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Kero all I've ever had can't imagine farting around with propane. Flame thrower or what ever seems to me poor fuel system prep. Never had any issues.
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Kero is nice and battery stuff really isn't a issue with all the selection options. I have enough stuff to haul around as it is.
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Originally Posted by Justflying1
Kero start is defiantly easier but takes longer to start.
Gas is quicker but you have to carry to fuels.
I believe both are reliable so it really comes down to preference.
In everything in life there is pros and cons in everything.
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Kero. No question for me. There is no "dialing in" no "battery issues" use the stuff the factories give you and you are fine.
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Kero start has come a LLLLLLOOOONNNNGGG way.

I still have both, but I will switch completely over to Kero completely as time goes on. As long as I still have my propane start reliable turbines, I'll keep using them.
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I have had nothing but great success with all of my Kero starting motors " which have all been JetCat".
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The wierdest, most unexplainable radio glitches, hot starts, wet starts were all with my kero start jetcats. Ofcourse that was back when jetcat first started doing kero start. They've come a long way.
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I love how gas starts... quick and easily debugged. BUT, after using only Kero (or diesel ) for about 4 years, I can't imagine going back to having to use gas to start.

So to me, the convenience of kero wins over the slower starting time.
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What about the fact that with Kero start if you have a problem you only get about 4 tries out of the battery

and

If you have a bigger start problem it has to go back to the manufacturer

and

If you ruin a kero burner it costs well loads of $$$$$ whereas a glow plug is only $5

and

Is there another and ?
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Originally Posted by Jetflyer3000
What about the fact that with Kero start if you have a problem you only get about 4 tries out of the battery

and

If you have a bigger start problem it has to go back to the manufacturer

and

If you ruin a kero burner it costs well loads of $$$$$ whereas a glow plug is only $5

and

Is there another and ?
yes you seem to have answered your own question
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I like the Kero start but, it does have it's down side. I've had two engines require trips back to the factory to replace the ceramic igniter. resulting in many weeks down time. Would have been a simple glow plug change on gas start.
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My experience is with Jet Cat P60 and 70's and a Titan, and I'll take Kero anyday. I run Jet A for fuel, and never have any issues at all.
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I've had both, both work fine, but personally, I like the gas start, hell, I still like my Air Start Pegasus, makes me feel like I'm part of the start up, forces me to monitor everything, and it starts faster. As I say, I've had both, really doesn't make much difference to me but all my engines currently are propane start. I like just using the green coleman propane better than powermax too, easier to find, cheaper, and I've had so many cans of powermax that after I put the valve on I can't take it off without the can splooging out everywhere, and I hate the idea of the can in my flightbox with the valve on it!
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Originally Posted by Jetflyer3000
What about the fact that with Kero start if you have a problem you only get about 4 tries out of the battery
Depends on the battery... but the kero plug is power hungry. This goes back to the smoldering start I've seen. The guy would get one real start, and then have to charge. It was a bigger battery (4000ma) but it could have been going bad.


Originally Posted by Jetflyer3000
If you have a bigger start problem it has to go back to the manufacturer
Sometimes. Most of the new, internal valves, pumps, burner, are not user servicable. SO... even if they service it for free... you will pay +$60 in shipping. AND... you can have a few weeks down time.

Originally Posted by Jetflyer3000
If you ruin a kero burner it costs well loads of $$$$$ whereas a glow plug is only $5
Yep. The burners are ~$100, depending on the manufacture. Generally, they are tough, and last. But, they do burn out. Early on... they burnt out often.

Basically... those are all the reasons why, I still have gas start. (I'm cheap)
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My engines are all gas start & this suits me fine as its what I'm used to.

To me the biggest advantage of gas start is it's usually possible to fix problems with them
at the field so it doesn't spoil a days flying or a weekend away at a jet meet if things do go wrong.

You can save a bit of weight with a smaller battery as well & if the choice is available the gas start
option tends to be cheaper.

If I was ordering a new engine it would also be gas start for the above reasons.

But if an engine was attractive enough to me & it was kero start only it would not worry me at all to
buy it, I have no gas start or kero start only hang ups, I just want the things to work.

Like most new things I think kero start has had it's development problems but they seem fine now.

I tend not to be an 'early adopter', I like to let the trendsetters work out the bugs!

John.


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