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Old 10-09-2019, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ARA-Jet View Post
Can someone please post the surface throws for each flight mode?
in the manual, for flaps, it says 100mm for Elevons. I dont think that is correct? Seems too much for lateral movement!

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I don't have the SM jet anymore so I can't measure anything. I do remember I reduced the flap travel to about 1/2" on TO and Landing to help reduce the pitch sensitivity I was experienceing. I think I posted what my throws were somewhere on this or the other F-16 build thread. It may still be there.

I never had any issues with my LEF system. I could not tell if they made much difference or not.

My intermitent gear issues turned out to be a bad crimp on one of the wires to the Jetronics main gear air valve.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:31 AM
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Hey Spencer. I just told ARA via PM I will measure my settings and report back soon. Regarding the gear lock, what I did to keep it simple was Y lead the gear up and unlock but make the unlocking airline as short as it can be and lengthen the gear up airline. This creates a small delay between unlock and gear up and should allow normal operation. As Gary said the there is no issue with the LEF set up. In fact itís really solid and has a built in mechanical failsafe. I use LEF and flaperon for TO and landing.

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Old 10-16-2019, 12:28 AM
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Guys sorry for delay, here are my settings:
Rudder- 25mm each way (measured bottom of fin)
Aileron- 20mm up, 15mm down (measured wingtip end)
LEF- as much as you can on landing, half that on TO
Flaperon- 20mm (measured next to fuse) for landing, half that for TO
Elevator- 60mm up
CG 260 from wing LE next to fuse empty LG down
IGyro SRS about 35% on everything dampening mode only
My bird is heavy at 27kg dry but flies awesome. My settings are not necessarily correct but after experimenting with different settings they work best for me.
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Old 10-16-2019, 12:42 AM
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27 kg dry ???????
the Scale jets 1/5 weighs 20kg dry ..
the BVM PNP about 21.5-22.5 KG

Why is your Viper 27KG? Any special features you added ?
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:22 AM
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Lavi I do have a lot of gear in there. P300 is heavy, anamatronic pilot, lights, burner ring, smoke tanks, Jetcat E10 smoke pump, Itraps for fuel and smoke, Powerbox batteries etc. Plus the SM F16 itself is much heavier than BVM, landing gear is bigger and heavier.

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27 kg dry ???????
the Scale jets 1/5 weighs 20kg dry ..
the BVM PNP about 21.5-22.5 KG

Why is your Viper 27KG? Any special features you added ?
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:51 AM
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we got all that in our 1/5th PNPís . Jet cat 300ís etc still 22.5 kg ..
same size wheels these are 1/5 th all dimensions are about the same with slight deviations .. we talk about 5kg difference itís a lot 25% !

And compared to the one from scale jets again 1:5 itís 33% !

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Yes but the BVM LG is very skinny and basic looking. SM much more robust and scale. Thereís a scale jets F16 here thatís 26 dry too. Depends on set up I guess.

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we got all that in our 1/5th PNPís . Jet cat 300ís etc still 22.5 kg ..
same size wheels these are 1/5 th all dimensions are about the same with slight deviations .. we talk about 5kg difference itís a lot 25% !

And compared to the one from scale jets again 1:5 itís 33% !

Wow !
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Also the SM is about 5% bigger than scale jets, even though they say both are 1/5. I’ve had them both in my workshop at once. I was painting both together. I’ll try to dig up some comparison photos I took.
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I see ,
all the ones I judged at the Jwm where loaded with all scale options , scale canopy , some had drouge chute on , lights , extremely detailed wheel bays , cockpits etc . All up weight was under 20kg each and there where 6 F-16 from different competitors .


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Old 10-16-2019, 06:28 AM
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Hey Levi,

do do you think a 250 or 260 would fly her well or do you need the extra thrust?
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Cool Lavi. Yes Iíve seen some scaled up JWM 16s come out light. I think thereís even a large SM one competing but LG looks modified. If you find out the secret to weight saving let me know 😂. I always try to build light but this ones a porker.

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all the ones I judged at the Jwm where loaded with all scale options , scale canopy , some had drouge chute on , lights , extremely detailed wheel bays , cockpits etc . All up weight was under 20kg each and there where 6 F-16 from different competitors .


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Craig a 250-260 would be fine mate. I could strip out smoke system and switch to a 260 and save lots of weight and have a machine thatís easier to land. Itís fun going vertical with the 300 though.

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do do you think a 250 or 260 would fly her well or do you need the extra thrust?
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Originally Posted by Levi Wags View Post
Cool Lavi. Yes Iíve seen some scaled up JWM 16s come out light. I think thereís even a large SM one competing but LG looks modified. If you find out the secret to weight saving let me know 😂. I always try to build light but this ones a porker.
i personally know Marjin ( producer of the Scale jet F-16) and I can tell you right there . His F-16 including his landing gear ( 100% scale accuracy) built following his instructions come out UNDER 20Kg ...
wow ..
including functioning canopy , dive brake, lighting , flaperons , Le flap, stabilizer, rudder, smoke , AFB ring . And it flies with a 180 size turbine .

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Mate Iím not disagreeing with you. Iíve had both jets in front of me at once and Iíve painted both sets of gear so I have a better comparison than most. The SM is what it is and Iím happy with it. Just posting my settings to help others so Iím not sure how this has turned into a pissing contest.

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i personally know Marjin ( producer of the Scale jet F-16) and I can tell you right there . His F-16 including his landing gear ( 100% scale accuracy) built following his instructions come out UNDER 20Kg ...
wow ..
including functioning canopy , dive brake, lighting , flaperons , Le flap, stabilizer, rudder, smoke , AFB ring . And it flies with a 180 size turbine .
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Thank you for posting your settings.

Anyone flying with elevon? Can you please post how much throws you are using for elevon and elevator?

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Thanks for your setup Levi.
would anyone mind posting some pics of the gear door mounting locations/template/proper geometry? Nothing is shown in the manual version I have so perhaps someone has it figured out.

also what psi seems to be best in the struts/ tires?

Lastly my nw steering is pretty stiff and there is some slop. is this normal?
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