Horizon Hobby sold!
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"Things won't change", exactly what the person who bought the company I used to work at said. Like a bunch of lambs being lead to slaughter we believed him and his "new" partner. Too majke a long story short, life there after his takeover was complete hell, he made it very clear that he placed no value on his employees if they did not meet his personal wims (cleaning decoys with toothbrushes). I was let go after 26yrs for no other apparent reason other than "we're going in a different direction", where do I find work while I'm in my 60's. The company that lead the industry with top notch customer care suddenly stopped and would dispute claims in a heartbeat. I'm sorry, but investment companies track records do not bode well. Turn a profit which they feel is ok, but the instant it slumps or things slow, its sell, split or divide and sell. I only hope and pray Horizon doesn't go this above mentioned route, but only time will tell. I'm sorry for this rant here, but I get up every single day remembering the day three bosses walked me out the door. RC is the only thing that kept me from losing my mind coupled with the support I received from my fellow club members. Am I gun shy about a company I've supported by buying planes, radios, etc.? You bet! Horizon PLEASE prove me wrong! "J"
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Well let me predict the future of Horizon right now. Investment company means one thing and one thing only. Increase profits!!! I suspect that Horizon will price themselves right out of the market and ultimately go out of business if the "Investment" company's bean counters start running the company i.e "micro-managing". The first thing to go will be customer support for outdated designs, then product development will take a hit because it costs money for research. Then current products will become more expensive for us and then ultimately we will shop someplace else due to no support and price.
Any one else agree?
Glenn
Any one else agree?
Glenn
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Which team members left, where did they go ? Experienced RC pilots of Somenizi's caliber, could be used in RPV and Drone manufacturing. Representing a company just flying RC in contests, can be put to good use in the private sector.
Years ago, 1970-1973, John Maloney sold World Engines to Consolidated Foods. Nothing changed, except the presence of bean counters in the mix. John could not stand working for someone else, and bought the company back. Later on in years, he sold the company for a measley million bucks to Hobbico. That was at least $5M short of target. The value was the OS and Super-Tigre distribution in the North American markets. Realize that John was sick, and probably relied on others.
Vince
Years ago, 1970-1973, John Maloney sold World Engines to Consolidated Foods. Nothing changed, except the presence of bean counters in the mix. John could not stand working for someone else, and bought the company back. Later on in years, he sold the company for a measley million bucks to Hobbico. That was at least $5M short of target. The value was the OS and Super-Tigre distribution in the North American markets. Realize that John was sick, and probably relied on others.
Vince
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Dave Wilshire…on the "Boring ?" thread here in Jets..
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"People are not building as much...new sales are at an all time low. Established models still sell, but doing a build on an existing design makes little sense.
The real reason the forum is down on posts is the hobby is in free fall, certainly in England. The Internet has much to do with our countries mess, business reducing, prices and hence margins below a break even figure. Everyone thinks things should cost less, that's not possible, our hobby is the cheapest its ever been, if you want it to get better, people need to get real and accept prices increasing.If you don't there will be a tiny choice of product, which will suit the keyboard flyer who started this…"
Quote from him...
"People are not building as much...new sales are at an all time low. Established models still sell, but doing a build on an existing design makes little sense.
The real reason the forum is down on posts is the hobby is in free fall, certainly in England. The Internet has much to do with our countries mess, business reducing, prices and hence margins below a break even figure. Everyone thinks things should cost less, that's not possible, our hobby is the cheapest its ever been, if you want it to get better, people need to get real and accept prices increasing.If you don't there will be a tiny choice of product, which will suit the keyboard flyer who started this…"
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Typical BS as usual. I have been through two recent buyouts within three years and "things won't change" is total BS. Most buyouts are about change or why would you have a buyout?
Many read the writing on the wall and jump ship, some cling to the vine, some hope and pray they can remain in the group watching the dangling carrot and get the occasional nibble, while others remain victims of ignorance are are kicked to the curb. That pretty much sums up corporate business in today's world.
Many read the writing on the wall and jump ship, some cling to the vine, some hope and pray they can remain in the group watching the dangling carrot and get the occasional nibble, while others remain victims of ignorance are are kicked to the curb. That pretty much sums up corporate business in today's world.
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Dave Wilshire…on the "Boring ?" thread here in Jets..
Quote from him...
"People are not building as much...new sales are at an all time low. Established models still sell, but doing a build on an existing design makes little sense.
The real reason the forum is down on posts is the hobby is in free fall, certainly in England. The Internet has much to do with our countries mess, business reducing, prices and hence margins below a break even figure. Everyone thinks things should cost less, that's not possible, our hobby is the cheapest its ever been, if you want it to get better, people need to get real and accept prices increasing.If you don't there will be a tiny choice of product, which will suit the keyboard flyer who started this…"
Quote from him...
"People are not building as much...new sales are at an all time low. Established models still sell, but doing a build on an existing design makes little sense.
The real reason the forum is down on posts is the hobby is in free fall, certainly in England. The Internet has much to do with our countries mess, business reducing, prices and hence margins below a break even figure. Everyone thinks things should cost less, that's not possible, our hobby is the cheapest its ever been, if you want it to get better, people need to get real and accept prices increasing.If you don't there will be a tiny choice of product, which will suit the keyboard flyer who started this…"
Didn't the movie "Other People's Money" teach anybody anything?
#43
Like the movie wall street. Crack 'em open, shake out the good parts, take their money and run. I have been a Horizon customer for many years, but don't buy much anymore because I am topped out. My biggest complaint with Horizon is the web site. It is so undeveloped for giving detail and specs on anything.
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I do not have high expectations for this move being in my favor. With the success of off shore and warehouse only operations of HobbyKing styles enterprises, the existing competitors will have to either close or learn to cut the corners necessary to compete in the world market. This is not going to happen without many individuals suffering.
I see the closing of help functions and tightening of return and exchange policies. It has to happen.
I see the closing of help functions and tightening of return and exchange policies. It has to happen.
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Well let me predict the future of Horizon right now. Investment company means one thing and one thing only. Increase profits!!! I suspect that Horizon will price themselves right out of the market and ultimately go out of business if the "Investment" company's bean counters start running the company i.e "micro-managing". The first thing to go will be customer support for outdated designs, then product development will take a hit because it costs money for research. Then current products will become more expensive for us and then ultimately we will shop someplace else due to no support and price.
Any one else agree?
Glenn
Any one else agree?
Glenn
JQ
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They saw how much it was going to cost them to provide birth control and maternity leave to all the 50 and over employee's and figured it was time to get while the gettin is good.
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I worked for a communication company back in the 80s' and 90s', our company got sold to IBM. The ceo of IBM said, "nothing will change,your employment is sound with us. Whatever your plans were before, you can continue as if nothing happened." Well, it was good for 1-1/2 years, then they started by changing our benefit package to match theirs. Then, a year later they sold our division to Siemens Corp., and we were told, "Our business plan does not include so many people. If you are offered a buyout, take it. Or, you can be let go at any time. After they got done slicing and dicing, the people that took buyouts (I was one of them) found other employment as contractors for our previous customers. The rest just went elsewhere. I can see what will happen here in a couple of years....
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I did post about how bad things were, I understand now that HH in the UK are making big losses. We all are, business costs in England would leave you guys cold, I pay my local council $1500 a month "tax" for having my business in their area, the business is on a private road, so even the street lights are paid for by me, I clean the road outside my building...
I loved HH business policy in England, right until I realised they were "propping up" many of my competitors who sold at stupid low prices and clearly didn't make enough money to survive...and pay the bills. They could sell incredibly cheap...cause they were not paying their bills.
My company originated way back as World Engines...my father imported Radio from John and Super Tigre for 45 years, then Hobbico bought ST....and that was that! John Maloney gave me my first ever aeroplane (Graupner Dandy) in 1968. I started Motors & Rotors in 1994 and for a few years things were great and I was able to prop up my fathers business...then the internet got going and that was the beginning of the end in my mind. I now wait for the next phase when all the big give away 'dreamers' go pop. All things are not equal in business, especially in England.
Who knows what this buy out will do to HH, in England it can only focus a change, which is needed.
I loved HH business policy in England, right until I realised they were "propping up" many of my competitors who sold at stupid low prices and clearly didn't make enough money to survive...and pay the bills. They could sell incredibly cheap...cause they were not paying their bills.
My company originated way back as World Engines...my father imported Radio from John and Super Tigre for 45 years, then Hobbico bought ST....and that was that! John Maloney gave me my first ever aeroplane (Graupner Dandy) in 1968. I started Motors & Rotors in 1994 and for a few years things were great and I was able to prop up my fathers business...then the internet got going and that was the beginning of the end in my mind. I now wait for the next phase when all the big give away 'dreamers' go pop. All things are not equal in business, especially in England.
Who knows what this buy out will do to HH, in England it can only focus a change, which is needed.