ron Sweeney

Bob if we are trying to be grammatically accurate the term should be abbreviation not contraction but good to see someone else who likes his grammar correctly written. Ron.

schroedm

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Ron, contraction is the correct grammatical term.

Erik R

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Scott and John,

Again, thank you for remaining civil. I do see your points, but respectfully disagree. I am not advertising for them in any fashion. I also am not satisfied at all. I have not agreed to promote or rep for FEJ for a free jet. That's just not true. Nir is pouring his heart into trying to make things better over there. I'm just telling it like I see it, and I'm rooting for Nir. He's a good man. Regards,

Erik

Zagzoo

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Well techincally the second.. mine had some issues and they replaced it.

Airplanes400

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The part I highlighted in red is the part that bothers everyone about dealig with FEJ. They are reluctant to cooperate, will ignore their customers, blame their customers, and as a last resort attempt to bribe their customers with their silence in exchange for minimal cooperation. So you have to diligenty and vigorously keep after them to get any semblance of cooperation from them. That is an absurd and overwhelming task to have to go through just to convince a company or person (JohnnyWong) to do the right thing. It is unthinkable that someone has to go through something like this with any company.

While others may think you caved. I look at it this way. You played them. You played their game and won. Congrats!

If this were me, I'd play their game too. But soon after receiving the replacement, all bets would be off.

invertmast

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Your advertising by bringing up this thread and saying "nir says the new ones are better". That puts reasonable doubt into anyones mind who may be thinking of purchasing one because this is the "latest and greatest" information in the FEJ fiasco.

Personally, i could care less how "great a man" Nir is. The fact that he is over having to push a company into doing the correct thing istead of that company doing it on their own accord is enough of a reason He (Nir) should NOT be doing it. I really find it hard to believe he is over there for free doing it based on his "goodness" of a man, that is allot of personal coin to be throwing at an endeavor for a company that has a past in constantly refusing any outside help or suggestions. And if he isnt spending his personal money to make the trips over there and FEJ is fronting the Bill, well now he has become a REP and has a certain agenda to fullfill and his word becomes even less respectable because of FEJ's past and his new found agenda.


If FEJ wants to become a great manufacturer, theres a few things they can start doing.

1. Replace EVERY customers jet who experienced an inflight failure
2. Send out new PROVEN AND TESTED refinements for all products that are known to sufffer from structural defects. If repairs arent found to be sufficient, refund the full purchase price of that product to the customer or replace the product with a newly Designed and tested (with known limits) product free of charge.
3. Get some customer service and respond to all customer inquiries within 36 hours
4. Quit taking payments for new orderes until all current orders are fulfilled, shipped and received!
5. Quit requireing 100% of payment up front on new orders.
6. MAKE THE DELIVERY DEADLINES THEY MAKE!
7. Show a little embarassment for their actions by way of a formal apology and realize they are not the "know all gods" of rc jet manufacturing.

Airplanes400

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Surprised you missed it. The poll was done in May 2012, and subsequent threads brought it up for laughs.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-j...fei-bao-2.html

For your amusment, as well as for others that are not familiar with this, here it is. It reads like an episode of "Stupid Criminals." The FEJ shill accounts were pretty obvious. Plus 99% of them were created within days of the poll being started.

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AndyAndrews

Thank you blackcat. While you are at it bob, please also, "rip in", with regards to capitalization and end punctuation. LOL!

AndyAndrews

Long and Yang must be related.

whaledriver

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Bob,
Now you did it. Opened a can of worms. My fav is the most misstated statement is the english language, and someone did it for me above, "I could care less". Folks, the statement is "I couldn't care less". I feel better now.....

jetpilot

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This was deleted, but I still cant figure out why. so I changed 2 words


I also wish these "success" stories would as remain quiet as all the crashes do but that's not part of the deal with FEJ. You have to stay quiet til you get your jet, then praise how awesome they are and how everything is strong more, weigh less.
Guys, just please quit buying this stuff. I don't care how cheap you buy it! Its still worthless. " Half Off" still went "full" on into the ground!! Half off ended up being a $5-10K smoking hole in the ground!


Isnt it our obligation to warn others that these jets are no good, old version and new versions, rather than sit back and hope to get another dud a year later? one guy speaking up could save 50 guys 10k a piece! one guy remaining silent could cost 50 guys the same amount. think about it.

Are we really satisfied with just Nir saying everything is good now, don't worry? That's all it takes huh? Wheres the proof?

this very thread could actually persuade someone to buy a FEJ.
your just advertising for them.

jetpilot

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Heres my Story:

I bought a brand new Skymaster Large F86 when they came out. Picked a scheme and waited the 3-4 months.
I got it an built it over the next month. There were 2-3 others that had one and we were all finishing up about the same time.
I went to go test fly it and on the second flight during a 4 point roll,the Fin broke off. After the fin departed it tumbled and wings broke off and the fuse flew another 300 yards crashed. The wreckage was scattered everywhere. This was in the swamps of Miami at the Jetport. Pablo, Joey and myself spent the next 3 hrs, in swamp water, looking for the compete wreckage that was scattered everywhere. We nearly didn't find the tail. Finally we found it and inspected and found the fin had no hardwood. only balsa
I immediately called BV to tell him and warn anyone that had one, I personally called the guy in California who had one and that was about to fly his to tell him not to fly. I and contacted Anton to warn everyone that had a kit to not fly it.
Anton offered to replace my jet. He never said "don't tell anyone", "don't post anything", or anything of the sort.
As fast as he could build one, I had another one at my door. and he replaced everyones fin.
He never tried to pass the buck, blame it on batteries, pilot error, nothing.
people want to compare Skymaster to FEJ but sorry guys, theres no comparison.

Scott

rhklenke

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Yep, its a contraction - "a shortened version of the written and spoken forms of a word, syllable, or word group, created by omission of internal letters"

You know what's (contraction for "what is"... ) funny is that I was one of the first FEJ customers on the face of the earth, and I posted all of this stuff in threads YEARS ago (http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-j...ng-thread.html).

The planes were different, but the problems and the responses from FEJ were the same. After literately years of work, replacement parts, and *replacing* parts with working ones from other manufacturers, I was able to get two of their aircraft working, but it was *way* more effort than it was worth.

I was contradicted in my opinions by many of the guys here on RCU who's FEJ airplanes have since became smoking holes in the ground and are now on the anti-FEJ bandwagon. At the same time, some guys have had a bit of luck with them.

The bottom line is, you put the information out there, but people are going to do what people do. When the FEJ planes fly at the flyins (which is relatively rare), I just watch - for safety purposes, but also to witness the eventual train wreck when it occurs.

Lots of guys who are involved with FEJ in one way or the other are great guys, Erik, Nir, Lewis, Rex, Ali, and others. Personally, I won't spend my money on one again, but that's just my humble opinion...

Bob

ravill

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And really that's just it.

I'm sure FEJ and Johnny Wong weren't trying to get it "wong" from the begining.

They are chinese business men that saw the need for a bunch of dumb americans that will buy pretty airplanes. They didn't really care that they crashed, it wasn't a malignant wish for the jets they sold to all crash, it was just those guys not caring about it.

And they had a pretty good run. I bet they've made over $1,000,000 easy on all of us.

Good for them.

And shame on them in the way they did it.

They made pretty airplanes and sold them as fast as they could. They put one flight on their prototype, saw that it flew, patted each other on the back, shared some fortune cookies and passed around the Tsing-Tao.

Then they sold them to us.

Like idiots, we saw how cheap they were, how many different choices we had and well the rest of the story is splattered in smoking craters all accross the US (and the world).

Their concern is CERTAINLY not airworthy airframes.

Their concern is that YOU (and yes, even me sadly) buy from them.

The word is, atleast, out. If you google "fly eagle jets" there are lots of hits of crashes along with their home page.

As a testament to how they really don't pay attention to the details (and, in jets, there are many little devils in the details) they still have a pic of DubD with his ill fated F-14 proudly displayed. If anyone wants to have clear separation from Fly Eagle Jets, it's gotta be DubD.

rexman

Good luck with your F16. In spite of my very bad experience with FEJ, I still think that everyone deserves at least a second chance and if FEJ is finally getting their act together, then good for them. I lost my large Hawk over I year ago due to structural failure on it's13th flight. Post crash investigation revealed huge flaws in the design of the horizontal stab. I was promised a replacement aircraft, but all I got was a bunch of lies. I hope they are finally stepping up their game and putting out products that are safe for us and our hobby. Personally, I would never buy another FEJ product.

dubd

It's amusing that Erik and Zagoo are okay posting about their replacement airframes when there are a large number of ex-FEJ owners that got screwed and will never see a replacement of any kind. Every man for themselves in the FEJ community.

jetpilot

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Replacing one aircraft is absolutely not a step in the right direction. They probably had a minimum of 50 crash due to structural failure.
Exactly why they chose to replace this one is a mystery.
Scott

AndyAndrews

The bottom line is this folks, FEJ will NEVER get a free pass here. It doesn't matter what post has been made or will be made regarding FEJ. The people like myself who have been screwed out of their hard earned money by this company refuse to let it rest.

RonTins

I as well purchased a 1/4.5 scale Hawk from Nir and was promised that my version of the Hawk was the new and improved one with ply formers. I have the text messages between myself and Nir to prove that he did acknowledge that my formers would be ply. When I received my Hawk, the formers are all honey comb and I unlike you Erik, have publicly made this known. Now its very simple to correct this by sending me (or other customers in the same boat) with ply doublers for all the formers at no additional cost if FEJ has indeed changed and are willing to help customers. They should also do so for other defects. We the customers should not kiss arse just for a company to provide customers with support for products that may be deemed unworthy. This is not how businesses operate. Everything should be transparent as possible. If I do receive the doubler's I am requesting, "yet to meet with Nir", I shall report that. If I dont, I will also report on here. Time will tell....

SushiHunter

Very well said and to the point Dantley. As for myself, I 've spent roughly $8K on a total of seven glow planes (four now completely built) including the 18mz and this was all in preparation for making that leap from glow to turbine. And I'm very happy that such discussions on this forum exist as without them, I'd be going into something I have no lessons learned on. This thread along with your unfortunate mishap with both the design flaw of your jet and the way this company seems to deal with such issues, I now know which company I won't be spending my money on. I also know that running such a business that manufactures jets is full of high risks. Sometimes things happen but from what I've been hearing, this isn't the company I'd feel comfortable and confident doing business with. The hobby of turbine ac involves great risk. Your bird went down while on video. No question about it. That's cut and dry it was design/structure failure which caused that. If the company was good, they'd make things right with you.

Erik R

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Dantley,

The devolvement is beginning. I don't know who was or wasn't "screwed" by FEJ. By your own admission, they offered you a replacement, but you declined, and chose to embark on your noble, and altruistic campaign to educate the jet community about the perils of dealing with them. Good for you, and I don't judge you for that. Certainly, whether or not you got "screwed" is a subjective interpretation. I won't even go there, because it's none of my business.

I also don't know the intricacies of how they dealt with each other individual who had an issue. It's really none of my business. I was faced with the same decision you were, and based on all the information I had at the time, I chose to proceed. That information included face to face conversations, and actually looking at current airframes, that were substantially better than previous ones I'd seen. I am definitely not part of the "FEJ community".

I also am far from perfect, make my share of mistakes, and am humble enough to know that there is always more to be learned. I spoke with many of my jet buds before making a choice, and heard many different opinions. Reasonably, without emotion, I decided that getting back into a big F-16 for a fraction of the price, with at least a reasonable chance that previous issues have been addressed, and risks mitigated, was a viable course of action. If you choose to judge, or condemn me for it, I'm ok with that.

Although I know that by starting this thread, I have exposed myself to everyone's opinions, encouragement, judgement, and wrath, this is the last time I will defend my decision. Some of us will have to just agree to disagree, and I will not respond to insinuations, or direct attacks on my character. I will just share my experience with this thing going forward. You may be right, and I may be naïve. I buried 2 close family members this week, and my biggest takeaway from that, is that I will be as good as I can to the people I care about, and I will strive to be positive, and a positive force in the peoples' lives I touch. All the best,

Erik

dubd

Erik,

FEJ has never offered me anything. As stated a number of times, a rep offered me a F-18 that a customer backed out of if I had my F-14 thread pulled from RCU. That F-18 was built with the same honeycomb formers as my F-14, so i would have thrown good money after bad by trying to make it airworthy. To this date FEJ has not communicated with me, so I had no opportunity to have a conversation of any kind. In the end, all I asked of them was to remove my picture from their web site. Well it's been almost a year and my picture is still up. Perhaps I need to make a trip to Kentucky and have a face to face in order for any progress to happen. I'm too busy and have much bigger priorities to justify wasting any more time with these guys. The resurgence of FEJ threads is making me reach a boiling point.

AndyAndrews

Erik is a class A individual in my book. I respect his decision and opinion on the matter. I just hope he doesn't end up losing another turbine and equipment over this new airframe. I don't disparage him for doing what he had to do to get his jet replaced. After all we all know how vindictive FEJ gets when it comes to exposing their lies, fraud and deceit.

AndyAndrews

Oh that would be a big mistake. You and all of your friends would get the World's Grandest as# chewing and threatened with arrest by the secret police and body guards who protect the event organizer. I don't suggest doing that at KY Jets.

dubd

Andy, face to face doesn't mean a confrontation or violence. That's absurd.