BV's letters to AMA and FAA
#401
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Heres a graphic video of the possible injuries a DGI Phantom with carbon blades can cause. This guy is in a park trying it out just like any park flier pilot would do. He even has prop guards on it from what I can see. For the most part things are going well until he tries something and it goes wrong.
The point is these small vehicles have a lot of power for their size and in a novice hands around the public open areas like parks, etc, its only a matter of time before more serious injuries happen.
We have seen at our club while performing for special needs kids one of them chasing after a taxiing plane. In a park without people spotting for the pilot its very easy to imagine child running to grab a copter especially a DGI because it looks like a toy.
Anyways, more support for getting people to realize the responsibility of owning and operating these AC and why they need to be regulated in some form.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8d9_1407980380
The point is these small vehicles have a lot of power for their size and in a novice hands around the public open areas like parks, etc, its only a matter of time before more serious injuries happen.
We have seen at our club while performing for special needs kids one of them chasing after a taxiing plane. In a park without people spotting for the pilot its very easy to imagine child running to grab a copter especially a DGI because it looks like a toy.
Anyways, more support for getting people to realize the responsibility of owning and operating these AC and why they need to be regulated in some form.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8d9_1407980380
#402
Heres a graphic video of the possible injuries a DGI Phantom with carbon blades can cause. This guy is in a park trying it out just like any park flier pilot would do. He even has prop guards on it from what I can see. For the most part things are going well until he tries something and it goes wrong.
The point is these small vehicles have a lot of power for their size and in a novice hands around the public open areas like parks, etc, its only a matter of time before more serious injuries happen.
We have seen at our club while performing for special needs kids one of them chasing after a taxiing plane. In a park without people spotting for the pilot its very easy to imagine child running to grab a copter especially a DGI because it looks like a toy.
Anyways, more support for getting people to realize the responsibility of owning and operating these AC and why they need to be regulated in some form.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8d9_1407980380
The point is these small vehicles have a lot of power for their size and in a novice hands around the public open areas like parks, etc, its only a matter of time before more serious injuries happen.
We have seen at our club while performing for special needs kids one of them chasing after a taxiing plane. In a park without people spotting for the pilot its very easy to imagine child running to grab a copter especially a DGI because it looks like a toy.
Anyways, more support for getting people to realize the responsibility of owning and operating these AC and why they need to be regulated in some form.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8d9_1407980380
#403
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I dont think any other prop plane flys in a park. We know for a fact that FPV prop aircraft do. While the gent in the video was not flying FPV.. Its just one step away from it. As Chris Nicastro
said.... Its just a matter of time before someone(a child perhaps) gets hit with one of these.
#404
I dont think any other prop plane flys in a park. We know for a fact that FPV prop aircraft do. While the gent in the video was not flying FPV.. Its just one step away from it. As Chris Nicastro
said.... Its just a matter of time before someone(a child perhaps) gets hit with one of these.
#406
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Well when one comes falling out of the sky because the battery died or whatever and it drops on an unsuspecting crowd on the boardwalk then that video demonstrates the potential carnage it can cause.
Its relevance in regard to this thread is the novice operator in a public space plus the injury he sustained. This could have happened to someone on the Seattle boardwalk or anywhere just the same, see other video I posted.
This isnt a stretch or leap to see what could happen unless we just need to see a new video of a catasrophic incident caused by a drone in order to prove the point. Lets be proactive and not reactive.
Its relevance in regard to this thread is the novice operator in a public space plus the injury he sustained. This could have happened to someone on the Seattle boardwalk or anywhere just the same, see other video I posted.
This isnt a stretch or leap to see what could happen unless we just need to see a new video of a catasrophic incident caused by a drone in order to prove the point. Lets be proactive and not reactive.
#408
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Perhaps in lieu of the AMA representing this area, they have a bigger ally they should be hitching up to and let the AMA not carry the torch.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...sive/13966157/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...sive/13966157/
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For your viewing pleasure... And!! Hobbyking is going to be flying with these guys this weekend. I hope Transport Canada follows suit and bans FPV here too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHV8gidxP-M#t=87
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHV8gidxP-M#t=87
#410
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For your viewing pleasure... And!! Hobbyking is going to be flying with these guys this weekend. I hope Transport Canada follows suit and bans FPV here too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHV8gidxP-M#t=87
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHV8gidxP-M#t=87
Atleast they had their hazards on! Haha
#412
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If you look at Moel Aviation magazine and the AMA presidents column, you I'll see that they absolutely don't care what the true modelers that have been the back bone of AMA from the start want and they are following the false smell of the money and chasing the drone trend. In addition making the false statement that only the non AMA drone pilots cause problem while we see otherwise in local clubs. It is simply sad.
#413
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I am starting to ask why we need AMA any more? Can some one tell me why? I know we used them for Insurance reason but that is all. If the FAA and State or Local Goverments are who we are to follow now again what is the need to feed the PIG? I have been a member of AMA for over 25 years and never had a claim or needed anything from them.
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I am starting to ask why we need AMA any more? Can some one tell me why? I know we used them for Insurance reason but that is all. If the FAA and State or Local Goverments are who we are to follow now again what is the need to feed the PIG? I have been a member of AMA for over 25 years and never had a claim or needed anything from them.
Jack
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That's a little harsh, seems everyone says that when they get mad but I assure you, without the AMA, we'd be royally screwed! Also, who else is going to step up, a lot of big talk from a lot of people but when it comes time to put up, most say nothing or help in any way...
Jack
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Now there rules are not as important because the FAA gets make the rules and regulations that soon to be a law. If they move forward with their proposal it appears that you not allowed to fly anything above 400ft. That is going to bepretty much the end of the flying anything bigger that a small foam park flyer.
Shouldn't the AMA be petitioning all the members to contact out state representatives to let them know how its paying members feel about this new perposal? Or is everyone wanting these new rules?
I have been a member of the AOPA for 10years and they have been more involved with FAA and been on the pilots side in helping overcome all the new regulations since 9/11. I have not received anything from AMA asking to contacta government official about this issue.
#418
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I personally look at AMA like other insurance companies. they congratulate you for getting the new car and then raise your rate! AMA needed the modelers. But now they think that they can make money from the drone people so the modeling and modelers take the back seat. From what I heard, within AMA, most West Coast officials are for the modelers and the support for UAV / Drones is by east coast team. Like everything else, should they not listen to the majority of modeling members, they will find out about their error when it is too late as no UAV / Drone member would ever have the passion that we see in the modelers. Today drones are cool so they jump on that and tomorrow will be the Hover Board.
#420
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I personally look at AMA like other insurance companies. they congratulate you for getting the new car and then raise your rate! AMA needed the modelers. But now they think that they can make money from the drone people so the modeling and modelers take the back seat. From what I heard, within AMA, most West Coast officials are for the modelers and the support for UAV / Drones is by east coast team. Like everything else, should they not listen to the majority of modeling members, they will find out about their error when it is too late as no UAV / Drone member would ever have the passion that we see in the modelers. Today drones are cool so they jump on that and tomorrow will be the Hover Board.
#421
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I think the difference is that when radio control came along it did not affect the control line flyers. No restrictions or threats to their opportunity to continue to fly control line. In this case, however, it's clear that the "drone trend" is causing ripples that are now resulting in real restrictions and real future threats to the traditional radio control flyer.
I respect anyone's right to fly their FPV / quadcopter safely as long as what you do doesn't result in restrictions of my rights. Unfortunately that's exactly what is happening. Certainly you can understand why that is irritating.
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#422
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You can see from my posts at the beginning of this thread that I was initially in agreement with Bob's positions.
Since then, I have had the opportunity to have a fairly long conversation with Dave Mathewson and Bob Brown about this. They have spent a great deal of time dealing with these issues, and have put a great deal of thought into it. I believe that their approach is to basically work with the FAA, as best as can be done, to be "part of the solution, not part of the problem." That approach appears to them to be the best way to stay engaged with the FAA and get a seat at the table when the rules are being hashed out. I'm not the one to be able to say with 100% certainty that this will work, or even if its the best approach, but in their minds, it is, and they are much closer to the goings-on than I am.
One thing is for sure, *nobody* is going to be able to put the "drone" genie back in the bottle. They are *big* business (compared to other hobby spending, anyway) and they are going to continue to sell, at least until some other shiny widget comes out. As such, the FAA is going to have to find a way to deal with them, and since they really don't know a thing about them, they are going to have to have help to figure it out. Hopefully, with the AMA and other industry groups, like AUVSI, at the table, some sanity will find its way into the process. Coming out with rules under which to safely operate things like FPV and autopilots is one way for them to demonstrate how these things can be done safely. Will this approach work? Maybe, maybe not, but for sure we'd be screwed if the FAA was left to their own devices - especially if the only people giving them advice was AOPA and ALPA - who would like nothing more than anything but full-scale aircraft to be totally illegal.
We *need* the AMA to represent our interests, and the JPO is actively working to make sure that the jet modeling community has a voice in the AMA. Dave and Bob know we are out here and what we do (they saw it first-hand at FIF in May) and they have us included in the "no modeler left behind" group. Hopefully, their constructive engagement policy will pay off. Personally, although I'm not totally 100% sure we'll be fine, I do think that this policy is going to get us a better result than just screwing our heads in the sand and hoping that this "drone" fad will go away (it won't).
Bob
Since then, I have had the opportunity to have a fairly long conversation with Dave Mathewson and Bob Brown about this. They have spent a great deal of time dealing with these issues, and have put a great deal of thought into it. I believe that their approach is to basically work with the FAA, as best as can be done, to be "part of the solution, not part of the problem." That approach appears to them to be the best way to stay engaged with the FAA and get a seat at the table when the rules are being hashed out. I'm not the one to be able to say with 100% certainty that this will work, or even if its the best approach, but in their minds, it is, and they are much closer to the goings-on than I am.
One thing is for sure, *nobody* is going to be able to put the "drone" genie back in the bottle. They are *big* business (compared to other hobby spending, anyway) and they are going to continue to sell, at least until some other shiny widget comes out. As such, the FAA is going to have to find a way to deal with them, and since they really don't know a thing about them, they are going to have to have help to figure it out. Hopefully, with the AMA and other industry groups, like AUVSI, at the table, some sanity will find its way into the process. Coming out with rules under which to safely operate things like FPV and autopilots is one way for them to demonstrate how these things can be done safely. Will this approach work? Maybe, maybe not, but for sure we'd be screwed if the FAA was left to their own devices - especially if the only people giving them advice was AOPA and ALPA - who would like nothing more than anything but full-scale aircraft to be totally illegal.
We *need* the AMA to represent our interests, and the JPO is actively working to make sure that the jet modeling community has a voice in the AMA. Dave and Bob know we are out here and what we do (they saw it first-hand at FIF in May) and they have us included in the "no modeler left behind" group. Hopefully, their constructive engagement policy will pay off. Personally, although I'm not totally 100% sure we'll be fine, I do think that this policy is going to get us a better result than just screwing our heads in the sand and hoping that this "drone" fad will go away (it won't).
Bob
#423
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I think the Fed has bigger fish to fry... They got Idiot's with green lasers blowing out airline pilot's eyes, passengers beating the hell out of each other on flights, airline pilot's dying in the cockpit, and today's latest, a freaking $1.2B military blimp running amok dragging a mile long 1" cable across the ground ripping out guard-rails and power lines blacking out power across two states and haven't figured out if they need to shoot it down... We all know just like driving on any highway we all travel on with dangerous curves and intersections, so many people have to die before on that road before fixing the problem is addressed correctly. This problem is no different. There will have to be a catastrophic accident involving a "Drone" and a air carrier with paying passengers before they do what needs to be done. I don't know the answer myself, but as like everything else going on around us, the biggest pile of money will win.
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